Non-inductive coil experiment using both outputs

  • Last Post 14 February 2020
cd_sharp posted this 27 November 2019

Hey, guys

Following the work I started here

I'll experiment feeding current to the load from both coils.

Trying more stuff to make the time the POCs interact longer.

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cd_sharp posted this 22 December 2019

Hey, guys

I found something interesting. I'm using BZW06-13B TVS in series with the feedback cap.

Please tell me your opinions, what's charging the cap?

cd_sharp posted this 15 January 2020

The schematic is here and it's available only for Tier2 members.

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cd_sharp posted this 08 January 2020

Hey, guys

Let's see what happens if POC1 is in series with the feedback cap. I added another Vidura Power Switch to feed L1 from the feedback cap and from the PS.

The current through POC2 (dark blue) grows up to almost the same value as the one flowing through POC1 (yellow).

Another thing I noticed is that the yellow trace goes negative during the on-time. I need more time to play with this setup.


Vidura posted this 15 January 2020

Hey CD, fantastic work, this looks great. My meters of the PS also become crazy when opposite magnetic fields are present.So I ignore this readings lately. Vidura

cd_sharp posted this 14 January 2020

Hey, guys

My latest find: my DC PS is not telling the truth.

The main switch is cold and that made me doubt the DC display. I'll be back with input power calculation.

Keep in mind the load is a 21W bulb, so that looks suspiciously AU.

Thanks, guys

Chris posted this 15 January 2020

My Friends,

CD is right - We need more people working with us! Come join us, Be part of something Better!

With more and more Independent Replications, the strength of our work grows greater every day! Others are starting to see the Light! To wake up to the truth!

We truly are Light Years ahead of the other forums! They don't even come close!


cd_sharp posted this 24 January 2020

Hey, guys

Let's see what happens if I decrease the number of turns to 17 / 63 / 63.

I'm forced to increase the duty cycle to maintain the magnetic resonance. I probably need to reduce the number of turns in L1 to decrease the duty cycle.

Jagau posted this 27 November 2019

 Interesting Cd, I experimented this way and my power supply
was receiving more than he gave,

I do not know if you come to the same conclusion?


cd_sharp posted this 11 December 2019

Hey, guys

In this very interesting experiment I add a second power switch on the POC2 rail this time to be able to switch it off and see the effect.

I'm thinking this is too complicated. I need to be able to switch on or off POC2. I wonder if using a second Vidura Power switch and time it properly with my function generator is not too complicated. Maybe if I try a current controlled method like a transistor is a simpler and cleaner way.

Anyway, this is the clear proof that the longer the POCs interact, the better for us, there's more light at the output and there is less power consumed from the PS.

Chris posted this 17 December 2019


Fighter is right! There MUST be sufficient Interaction to make this process work!

It is the Interactions of the Current itself that makes this work.

Also, keep Power away from Signal, and vice versa.


Fighter posted this 22 December 2019

Just like what's happening with ZPM, your device is sending power back to the source.

Put a light bulb on it, transform that capacitor in another output.

Chris posted this 22 December 2019

I believe Fighter is correct!

Your Asymmetrical Magnetic Interactions are sending power back to the Input Line via L1.

Remember what we went through some time back, Negative Current, back on the Input is power coming back to the input.

Apologies, I have been out for a while, I have had some medical problems now for a few years.

+1 as always CD, excellent work!


cd_sharp posted this 22 December 2019

My friends, I'm so glad this secret is revealing step by step. I wish more good people would dive into researching this. @Chris, no problem, take care of yourself. I wish you'll get well!

Chris posted this 22 December 2019

Hey Guys,


I wish more good people would dive into researching this.


CD, I agree, why is it so hard for some people? Its so simple, it cant possibly be made more simple! All the complexity has been removed, I have broken this down to the most basic, most simple and most obvious techniques possible!

Some people are just stubborn, to say it nicely.

Why is this?

Because the Trolls, the CIA Sponsored Goons have drilled it into everyone's head: Measurement Error

Remember our little experiment: Measurement error site: or: Measurement error site: then make a list of who made these claims!

Always from the same group of people! And, I have the entire Identities of nearly all of these people...


Well, what if its not?


On the positive side, we are getting more views now, in recent months, than ever before, from all over the world! More and more people are waking up! I just wish more people would join in and share their work as you and others here do!

@Fighter, good to have you back with us, I hope the move went well!

I will be fine, thanks guys for your concern.


Chris posted this 24 December 2019

My Friends,

Atti is right! When he says:

By accurate measurement, I meant that when someone declares: overunity
If the measurement does not depend on a few percent (margin of error) then it can really mean something.


According to Science, we should always measure Below Unity, Below 100% of the Input. Thus an Efficiency is considered to be a percentage of the Input. An 80% Efficient Transformer is not uncommon. The Transformer has 20% losses in the operation of the Energy Transformation.


All Systems have Losses!


For a Transformer to Output 100% of the Input, operating at Unity, Energy must be "Generated" to over come the Losses!

To get a Transformer Above Unity, then all Losses have been over come and extra Energy has been "Generated", over and Above the Input Power!

Our Baseline, the goal, to make advances on, should be at around 80%. For example, if we have COP = 1.5 we have 150% of our Input Power. Meaning we have "Generated" Energy from 80% to 150%, a total of 70% extra Energy "Generation".

This means we have "Generated" 70% more Energy than the Transformer was capable of "Generating" via the well known Electromagnetic Induction means!

To do this on a consistent basis is not "Measurement Error", its called Skill and knowledge, learned by following our work!

Understanding very simple things like this make the total understanding much broader.


cd_sharp posted this 25 December 2019

Hey, guys,

Here is a little older experiment (still uploading). I wanted to see if I can charge up a capacitor from POC2.


cd_sharp posted this 05 January 2020

Hey, guys

Another experiment, this time capitalizing on this phenomenon.

Reading older posts adds up to the recent experiments.


cd_sharp posted this 13 January 2020

Hey, guys,

Another experiment which reveals a dancing phenomenon that I've seen in other non-inductive setups:

Chris posted this 15 January 2020

Hey CD,

Fantastic Observation! LCD Front Panel Displays may not be accurate!

The only real way to check is look at the waveforms!

Input Power has been covered before here, but this is a very good example of how misleading Front Panel Displays can be! One must ask the question: "Is this by design"?

The key is: Assume nothing, check and double check everything! Over-look nothing! You know what is said about the word: Assume? It makes an Ass of U and Me. Too many EE's and Researchers have made far too many Assumptions!

Excellent work CD, very good observations!


cd_sharp posted this 15 January 2020

Hey, guys.

Let's see what I've been taught to build on this forum. The input:

The input can go much lower if I play a little.

The output:

I'll be back with the schematic.

Atti posted this 16 January 2020

To all the lurkers: Come, join us, work hard and you'll get access to Tier2!


I fully agree with this statement. There are many new registered members in this forum. Only a few of these people take the trouble to show what they are interested in. The rest are just curious?

Captainloz posted this 17 January 2020

Hey CD,

Very nice work, thanks for sharing!


cd_sharp posted this 14 February 2020

Hey guys,

Next up, let's see what happens to the antennas resonance if I add the load and the diodes just like in the original experiment .

Wistiti posted this 27 November 2019

Same for me guys. I have bettre results at output and reduced input when using both poc.

Unfortunately no scope shoot to show you. Just my old video on my youtube channel... for sure the way the polarity of the diode in the poc setup played a major role for the effect.

Jagau posted this 27 November 2019

Yes CD 

my power supply is programmed to turn off automatically when there is an unknown source in addition to that of the P.S.

there is something to study, it is very interesting


Chris posted this 11 December 2019

Hey CD,

Another excellent observation:

this is the clear proof that the longer the POCs interact, the better for us, there's more light at the output and there is less power consumed from the PS.


Absolutely correct my friend! Energy over Time, Watt Seconds, we must have a greater product and Time is where we get AU.

From the Time t, where Diodes Conduct, the POC's Oppose each other, which means at least one, must, Assist the Primary. This assist brings down the Primary Current.

Power of the POC's or PoPOC's - Energy is Pumped, over a greater Time.

I am so pleased that you, and others, see this the same way I do CD!


cd_sharp posted this 12 December 2019

Hey, guys

I'm trying to understand how we can reduce the input power more. This is another experiment from the series:

I still have plenty of ideas. Stay tuned..

cd_sharp posted this 15 December 2019

Hey, guys

I found out most of the noise was caused by the long cords coming out of the DC PS. I moved it much closer, I shortened and I twisted the cords as Vidura said.

A little more noise was caused by the DC-DC converter. I removed it and I'm powering the Vidura Power Switch from a PC ATX power supply.

There is still some noise and I believe it's caused by the ATX PS. If that is the case I'll find a solution. Thanks so much guys for the advice.

Here is how it looks like in an experiment trying to add feedback. Without any measurements I can say this looks close to unity, but I still think I'm missing something important that keeps me from reducing the input. Video still uploading:

Thanks guys for reading and @Chris and @Vidura for the invaluable advice.

cd_sharp posted this 16 December 2019

Hey, Chris

I moved from that to powering directly from battery bank, I have no more DC-DC converters, ATX supply, .. There is still some bad noise in there.

The MOSFET gate signal is clean. Still working on it, taking into account the videos you added recently and advice from Vidura.

Thank you both

Fighter posted this 16 December 2019

Without any measurements I can say this looks close to unity, but I still think I'm missing something important that keeps me from reducing the input.

Good job on cleaning the noise, shorter and multistrand thick wires are the way of doing this. In my opinion the frequency is too low, the noise should not be audible. Remember Metglas doesn't like low frequencies, it's made for high frequencies (90 KHz or higher). Also I would go with higher voltage, I use 25V for ZPM. Try going higher on both frequency and voltage while checking the temperature of the coils (there should not be a problem, ZPM's coils are always cold) and MOSFET's temperature (you'll notice temperature going up there). This should help with lowering the current on the input and also will start producing standing waves on output. The best way of confirming the existence of standing waves is to check (using the oscilloscope) the existence of different voltage on the same wire on output, the Vpp will increase as the wire gets closer to the device's coils.

EDIT: Also based on my experiments with ZPM, a very low duty-cycle is not efficient, I can't go lower than 20% without negatively impact on output's performance, I suppose that's because the coils don't have enough time to interact (or "dance" as we say).

cd_sharp posted this 21 December 2019

Hey, guys,

Thanks for your advice. I had some excellent support from Vidura lately and the noise was reduced significantly.

Hang on tight, I'll retry to add feedback. Next video will be up tomorrow.

See you..

Fighter posted this 22 December 2019

Is everything okay, Chris ? Get some rest and get well.

cd_sharp posted this 23 December 2019

Hey, Atti, my friend,

I added it here .

In my opinion, accurate measurement is always needed.

Unfortunately accurate measurement is very hard to do. One would need very expensive equipment and, of course, a lot of knowledge. If you watched Graham Gunderson you know what I mean.

In my opinion, we only need estimates if we can't do accurate measurements.


OriginalSkywatcher posted this 25 December 2019

Hi all, great work cd_sharp, been making experiments myself as well. Set everything up, where all the physical connections are easily adjustable and using 555 timer, to be able to adjust frequency and duty cycle.

peace love lightcool

cd_sharp posted this 25 December 2019

Hey, OriginalSkywatcher

You can post your results or even things that seem odd. As Chris said once, try to learn anything you can from every experiment!


cd_sharp posted this 08 January 2020

Sorry, guys, I forgot to click "Publish" and I made myself busy with something else tongue-out. It should be working now.

cd_sharp posted this 11 February 2020

Hey, Chris

Yes, thanks for all your suggestions, my friend.

Let's go on, I'm trying some magic in Excel, to calculate combinations of duty cycle and frequency that are equal to the 1/4 wavelength.

Both Vidura and Chris suggested clearly that we need to think about the phasing/timing of the input pulse.

My current DUT resonates at 16KHz, that means 1/4 wave period is 0.000015625 seconds

Let's see if I can use this for anything practical.

cd_sharp posted this 12 February 2020

Hey, guys

Remember the above post which shows a 16KHz antennas resonance frequency. I changed the position of the coil to match the original experiment

It's no surprise, the frequency 16KHz is still there.

I'll be back with what I promised above, but first I need some components that are on their way.

Chris posted this 12 December 2019

Hey CD,

Input is Power that is necessary, as you know. So we will always use some Input power, it can't be avoided. However, the Power going back, from the Input Coil back to the Power Supply is via Electromagnetic Induction Laws. This occurs after the Input has done its job, started the Excitation of the Partnered Output Coils.

The More Voltage Induced on the Input Coil, from thew Machine operation, in reverse, the more Current can flow back to the Source, thus reducing the Total Input Power over Time.

If you don't mind me saying, you need to clean up the noise on the machine, it will use Input Power lowering the performance of the machine:


I know you said it doesn't occur when you have a battery, but this, the many spikes, are Mosfet On times, sending noise into your circuit that should not be there. If you can eliminate that, then you will have a much better base to start going forward.

Don't get me wrong, you have progressed massively!


Vidura posted this 13 December 2019

Hey CD Also I have noted the interferences in your setup. In my experiences i have never seen this, as i have posted using a small battery 12-15v directly works best. Also I saw on Captain Loz' videos that powered by the lab supply look's ok. Generally it is not the best solution to connect various converters in series, better keep i t simple. Anyway I'm not sure thet the cause lies in the Switching hardware, as a suggestion you could try to clean up the general layout, keep the connection wires short, long wires are antennas and can cause coupling, use thick and short multistrand wire for the connection between the coils , supply , switch and so. Also check if the signal on the MOSFET gate has the correct amplitude, it should be at 17v ideally , if needed adjust the driver power supply.This might help. All the best Vidura

Atti posted this 23 December 2019

Hello everyone.

  CD, could you send us an exact diagram of the circuit layout, where is it connected? Just for clarification.
When measuring the input current, I also observed the negative charge current.
  If I have time to make a video of it, but unfortunately I'm busy lately.
I have little time to do experiments at home.

In my opinion, accurate measurement is always needed. Because it informs about phenomena. It is possible to move on from understanding the phenomena. (especially if you want to build a structure that can power a household)
So it is not necessarily a question of whether the device has more power.

Atti posted this 24 December 2019


By accurate measurement, I meant that when someone declares: overunity
If the measurement does not depend on a few percent (margin of error) then it can really mean something.

Some images when measuring current. From a previously uploaded video.FET is no longer enabled in the marked area. So no power input.


After loading the L3 coil:



load, or changing the frequency or fill factor may change the situation.
This is just a plain transformer iron. The situation may be different with the AMCC core.

Chris posted this 08 January 2020

Hey CD,

Video Unavailable error is what I get?


cd_sharp posted this 15 January 2020

Hey, man

Yes, we have a saying in Romania: "The assumption is the mother of the mistake".

I did a reading on the measurements . I'll redo the measurements using VAVG.

Thanks, my friend!

Chris posted this 10 February 2020

Hey CD,

Good work! I left messages on your videos. Sorry the last one, I am a bit late. Sometimes I don't get to things quickly enough.

The Coils all have what they call parasitic Inductance and Capacitance. This is a good thing, because this inductance is what sends Power back to the Source when the Machine is in optimum operation. Fighter has shown this in his experiments. Wistiti has also.

Keep up the good work! By maximising the parameters, making the Machine as Asymmetrical as possible, this will push up the Output Power! Aim for maximum Asymmetrical Waveform and Operation.

Best Wishes,


cd_sharp posted this 27 November 2019

Hey, Jagau I noticed the input voltage from the PS fluctuates. I'm still fiddling..

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cd_sharp posted this 13 December 2019

Hey, man I understand. I've seen some noise even on batteries. I suspect my function generator introduces the most of it. I'm also using a DC converter step up to power Vidura power module. I don't know if the converter can do this also. I'm thinking about switching to my Netduino for signal generation. Thanks for the advice, my friend.

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Chris posted this 16 December 2019

Hey CD,

That's way better, however, there is still some noise. Its hard to eliminate all the noise, but there is still a fair bit of noise in the waveform's:


To me, it looks like the CD to CD Converter signal, the harmonics coming from that. Interestingly your blue channel is showing little harmonics! 

Can you probe the Mosfet Gate to see if the Noise it there? If so, this is still a big problem. 

The problem is showing:

  • It is high frequency: Khz+
  • It has a Burst Time.
  • Its periodic.


It appears to be a DC to DC Converter to me?

Noise in these circuits is hard to eliminate entirely. However, if we can do a little better, then we can learn a little more! My Noise:


My recent display of Waveform's shows how the readings can be drastically affected. Should we trust these noisy waveform's?

I think we need to be more sensible and say, how can we better measure these signals?


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cd_sharp posted this 10 February 2020

Hey, guys

Next experiment, I noticed that if L1 is connected we have a lower antennas resonant frequency.

I'll be back with a set of calculations of the optimum timing for the input pulse. Some of you said it recently and I'm pretty sure fiddling randomly is a forever going task. We need precise calculations of duty and frequency combinations.

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cd_sharp posted this 13 December 2019

Vidura, my friend, I am using that dc converter to step up from the secondary output of my PS which is fixed at 5v. I'm stepping it to 12.5v that your power module needs. The primary output of the PS is used for powering the DUT. I'll follow your advice, I'll find the cause. Thanks, my friend

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