We all know this experiment is an achievement of great importance. I start to replicate it here:
The currents are the pink (L2) and yellow(L3) traces. The dark blue trace is the input signal with the probe ground disconnected. That's why it looks so weird.
L2 field decays and causes EM induction in L3. Then L3 decays and causes EM induction in L2.
I'll be back.
Notice the power supply and switch from Vidura. Fantastic tools! I've never used anything like them.
Hey, man, I understand, asymmetrical regauging on both traces.
Let's see some more results from fiddling:
I have more results coming soon.
Also, notice I'm not using the ATX supply for powering the power switch any more. It introduces a lot of noise on the oscilloscope traces. Plain old batteries are cheap and keep the traces clean.
Awesome! Excellent replication! EVERYTHING I see is Good! Little bit of interference, perhaps switching harmonics or something? But wave shape is all good!
Learn as much as you can with this CD. Excellent work!
Hey, man, the interference is because I use the 5v output of my linear power supply for feeding the power module while the main output of the power supply feeds L1. If I use batteries for the power module, the interference drops. I ran out of batteries for the moment. Question: we see current flowing in both POCs during the off time and the diode in series with L2 is getting hot; why is the bulb not at maximum? In fact, I replaced the bulb with a 5/20w, 12v and it lights up very weakly. Next up, we must see what the output voltage is and how we can increase it.
the interference is because I use the 5v output of my linear power supply for feeding the power module while the main output of the power supply feeds L1. If I use batteries for the power module, the interference drops. I ran out of batteries for the moment.
If I may suggest a few reasonable sized Caps on the output of your Power Supply and a small one, say 5000uf or so and a 100nf or so, it may remove the Noise. Something like this:
It looks to me that the Fet may actually be triggering, turning on, during these harmonics? Possibly? If so, increasing your input.
Question: we see current flowing in both POCs during the off time and the diode in series with L2 is getting hot; why is the bulb not at maximum? In fact, I replaced the bulb with a 5/20w, 12v and it lights up very weakly.
Yes both POC's must carry a current, and the Currents / Magnetic Fields, must oppose. The Diode is effectively a very low Resistance uni-directional Load. Current can only travel in one way and when it does, the Energy Transformation is converted to Heat as you know.
Both POC's have low to zero Impedance during the On Time.
Not so at Off Time.
Impedance ( Z ) is what gives us a slower decay in Magnetic Fields. This is the Power "Generational" Phase, if you like. Output when no input is on, a disconnected Input from the System.
With too much Impedance, Power is reduced. However, I = V / R, so our Output Current ( I ) is directly proportional to the Output Voltage ( V ) and the Output Resistance ( R ). This you already know, you pointed out here:
Next up, we must see what the output voltage is and how we can increase it.
The Voltage ( V ) gained during the Input Phase, On Time ( tOn ), linearly decays over Time ( t ), so the average Voltage ( VAverage ), will be approximately: VMAX / 2 over the duration. Roughly.
So our Maximum Voltage is not the Voltage we see over time, that our Load see's over the duration.
Capacitors on the Output is an option, to smooth the Output over time. Similar to your noise problem above. Realistically, increasing the Voltage Potential, getting the Potential up higher, faster, over a shorter tON period. This gives us a greater Average Output Voltage, and thus an Output Current.
I'll try all the things above, thanks.
Here is my latest progress taking you advice into account:
CD Excellent work!
The Input Coil is the Signal Coil, its what brings the Output Coils into Resonance. The Length of the Coil, Wire Gauge, Frequency and Duty Cycle are all important.
If we took 2x Coils, in front of us. These Coils need the same Magnetic Resonance as The Mr Preva Experiment.
We must find the ideal drive method.
A Coil must be selected that can drive the input Frequency and Duty Cycle at the maximum efficiency.
Sometimes reducing the Turns, reducing the Duty Cycle and adjusting Frequency to suit, will be an option for increasing the Output. Finding where the Output Voltage reaches the highest point.
Excellent work my friend!
I'll take each and every advice into consideration.
I'm taking small steps, not to miss something important.
Let's see when is the output voltage raising and what's causing it to increase. I'm using the MATH A-B function of the 'scope:
Excellent work Loz!
Core Cross Sectional Area plays a role, as does the turns on the Output Coils. That's all Electromagnetic induction variables, check out the calculator. As E.M.F or Voltage increases, as does the Current through Ohms law: I = V / R.
You can try to more closely couple your Input with one of the Coils, maybe Output to the light Coil. Then more closely couple the Tertiary Coil and Secondary Coil.
Sort of a case of fiddling to get the best result.
What a surprise, the voltage drop across L2 (dark blue) at the end of the cycle looks like is triggered by nothing. I'm sure that for any voltage drop there has to be a changing magnetic field causing it.
But which one is causing it?
The answer lays in the processes: Change in Current Creates a Voltage, a Voltage allows for a Current to Flow.
Time is where we see the delay.
Why do we get 180 degrees between Primary and Secondary? Time, the time it takes for each process to mirror each other.
Which causes the other?
Take the Load off L2, with the light, see if you get the same Sawtooth wave form on L3.
Excellent work my friend!
I'll do it.
For now I'm away, but I found the time to upload these videos. They are about the placement of the primary coil:
So, I learn something else from this.
Good Work CD!
A sentence that really helped me:
The VTA "likes" to always see a minimum load of 25 watts.
Ref: VTA By Walt Rosenthal
Remember, a minimum Current ( I ) is required to make this work, its these very interactions that are required. This is the required Interactions that Pump Energy.
The fact that there is a load that dissipates/transforms energy is a requirement for magnetic resonance.
Excellent observation my friend!
The Currents, therefore the magnetic Fields Interact in such a way, that they, the Magnetic Fields, Pump the Current over time:
Fantastic Work my friend!
Let's continue the adventure using a 1 turn primary coil:
What is that on POC2 (pink trace):
Is that a negative current, flowing from the catode to the anode of the diode? We've seen this before. Fighter saw it in Romanian ZPM .
Here is the latest progress. Some facts add up:
During the on-time we have a ringing between the 2 POCs, much like the MrPreva effect.
That is AC on both traces, although I put DC in it and the diodes should allow only positive values on both the yellow and the pink traces.
Let's try to build on the last result. Whenever I see ringing I'm thinking about RLC resonance and from previous dealings with Akula lantern no 4, we know RLC resonance can help the magnetic resonance.
It's hard to see with the camera, but there is a little bit of extra light when touching the lead of the caps. More important, notice the delay on the pink trace (POC2 current).
Hello guys great work C.D. i have bought also two pieces of cores like yours one is amorphous and one nanocristaline i want to test bouth of them . and i find something very interesting that might be of help for you is about Melnicenko and his effects he have an official youtube channel and you find very valuable information there about this experiment you are trying here you can translate the page and he have subtitle for his videos but you have to put it in english from setings . so this is the site i hope it helps :
Let's learn something more about this circuit. What happens if I use a big cap to feed the primary coil and try to recharge it from POC2?
No good result, but I'm convinced this is not a waste of time. It's just one more way that does not achieve AU.
CD, Thank You!
Very sensible and you should not consider this a failed result, its merely a matter of thinking about this another way!
If C11 is empty, L2 will carry Max Current, because this, the Coil Capacitor combination, appears as a Short Circuit, the Cap is least Impedance. This is called Inrush Current.
After the Cap is Full, the Current can no longer Flow! The Cap is at Max potential!
This means, the Cap must be Emptied at a specific time at every cycle, on time, and ready for the Refilling of the Cap from L2. A case of exquisite timing!
VT1 Dumps the Current of the Cap, C11, into the Coil, L1, at a rate that is Resonant with the Circuit, T = R ⋅ C, thus emptying the Cap, C11.
If the Cap, C11, stays full, then L2 can carry no Current, there is no "Generation" of energy!
A push to connect switch, so the Cap is not connected all the time to the Voltage Source.
The reason, you know already?
Ref: Me, Chris
So, all this is just a way of thinking, its not a case of Failure, its a case of gaining a greater understanding, working out whats not working and why.
Excellent work, you're on the Right Track! Well done!
I'll give this circuit more attention in a dedicated thread. You are a very good teacher. I can understand that even if my PS delivers maybe 1amp at 12V, this can deliver a much higher current from the cap for a very short time.
Akula starts the lantern by connecting and disconnecting a battery which is equivalent to closing and opening a switch.
Moving back to the basic experiment, in my setup I saw that the input does not go down although it should as POC2 magnetizes (pink trace) the core in the direction L1 needs:
I think that L1 and POC2 are too far apart. What happens if I put L1 over POC2 (video will be up in a few minutes):
There is not enough coupling between L1 and POC1.
I think that L1 and POC2 are too far apart...
There is not enough coupling between L1 and POC1.
Excellent observations! Yes they are! A better Coupling between the Coils is needed! This will allow for a much greater Output Current and also a Higher Voltage!
Of course, making the Asymmetrical Reguaging waveform's as high in Amplitude as possible, within safe levels is the main objective, remembering this is entirely Magnetic in Nature!
Electrical Energy, which consists of Charge and a Magnetic Field, is "Generated" by Magnetic Field Interactions, and these are the actions necessary!
Some fiddling is required
As always CD, excellent work!
I hear you.
Let's play a little with the center-tap setup. Can I drive it into magnetic resonance for the entire cycle, like the separate coils setup?
Why is the input not going down, since both POC currents are in the same order of magnitude?
It looks like POC1 current (pink) is flowing during the on-time. I have the feeling that L1 should not stay over POC1. It's aligned with MEG picture above.
I left a message on your YouTube Video.
It might be worth playing around with the polarity's on the Diodes. Each Coil is producing its own Magnetic Field, and we must get the One Magnetic Field assisting the Input.
This is from Un-Loaded State to Loaded State. When the Machine is Loaded, the Input will go down.
You have the Waveform, but perhaps the Input Coil is not seeing enough Positive MMF and still too much Negative MMF. Its a case of getting One Coil to Assist the Primary.
This Partnered Output Coil Assistance with the Primary will bring down the Input Current.
Its just a case of fiddling, playing around, getting the optimum, adjusting for the best COP.
Good work CD! Thanks for your continued efforts!!!
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If so, PM me your address and I will send!
@Other Members, I have 2 more PCB's to give away, for those that share their work, I will select the recipients.
Hey, man, Of course I would. Thanks so much. The PCB looks fantastic. I'll PM my address.
I have a question for the more experienced of you.
A long time ago I have disconnected the mains ground from the negative terminal of my DC power supply. I did that to make sure all my experiment devices under test are floating, to avoid a ground loop with my oscilloscope.
I wonder if that can affect the performance of the DUT, generally?
Also, is it any danger to my oscilloscope if I connect it back?
It is a challenge to which everyone is confronted.
As a picture is worth more than to say it I , send you a utube well done on this subject.
How not to blow up his scope?
Hey CD First you should check if there is a internal connection between the negative output and the ground connector on the PS. You can use a continuity tester. If not there will be no effect at all to the DUT or scope. In the case of the scope the ground is generally connected to the earth ground of the power line, so there yes will be an effect to the DUT regarding the connection to earth ground. In general terms there will be no problems to the save operation of the scope, although there might be some more interference and accuracy of precision measuring suffers a bit. I hope this helps. Vidura
Thanks, I remember that I saw that video back when I bought my oscilloscope.
I did the measurement and there is continuity between the probe(s) ground of the oscilloscope and the ground connector of my DC PS, the green one:
So, I guess I did the right thing to disconnect the green from the black and I should be sticking to it.
I'm still catching up on this tread. So sorry if some of my issues have already been addressed.
I've used a larger core this time. And also tried to incorporate wavelength frequency. The L1 is 1/8 length of partnered output coils or 1/4 length of L2 and L3. I also tried to incorporate a none inductive part of the coil to see if that will get the amperage up. I think it's obvious that I'm not getting the proper induction between L1 and L2 & L3. I want to use much higher voltages but I'm keeping myself form going there at this point because I believe it will mask the real problem I'm having.
Hey Vidura, I screwed up and blew the H-Bridge driver you sent me, that's why I'm using my function generator. Totally my fault!
Here's the Video of my progress-
I left a message on your video:
+1 excellent Loz! Output Voltage comes from the Time Rate of Change between L2 and L3. Yes, make it work from what you have available. More turns on L2 and L3, making sure the Currents Oppose, and also one current must assist L1. Yes Coupling is important - aim for Max Coupling from L1 (Input) and L2 (Light) then maximize your Coupling on L3 to assist L1. I hope this makes sense? If L3 adds 20% to L1 then L2 needs to be 80% efficient to get Unity, Make sense or have I confused?
Your'e spot on my friend! Your thinking is absolutely correct!
Turns is very important, between L2 and L3.
Imagine, take the opposite sides of an Electrical "Generator".
The Rotor and the Stator. The Math determines the Output: E.M.F = -N dΦ / dt
Interestingly, there is no dimensionality of area, only Flux. However, we know the Core Size is important, we saw a Factor of 100 increase with a factor of 10 change.
I quote an old friend:
By increasing the area of the Wire Exposed to, or occupying the fluctuating Magnetic Field, Sparky doubled the output. Exact proportions/ratios of Space-Filling Volume of windings to output have not been determined with precision, but a relation is evident.
Current ( I ) = Voltage ( V ) / Resistance ( R ) - So if we keep Resistance the same and increase Voltage, the Current must increase at a linear rate.
All my Coils, well nearly all of them, they all have lots of turns on a Core that have an area of: 5cm x 2cm = 10 sqcm, some 250, some 180 or there abouts...
In an Electrical "Generator", they make them so big, so they can have such large Cross Sectional Area's:
Cross Sectional Area much bigger than the size of a Man!
Its a trade off, Turns vs Core Size!
Now, The Time Rate of Change, between the Rotor and the Stator is what gives the Voltage, via the equation of: E.M.F = -N dΦ / dt
Now we must incorporate this same tech to get Our Partnered Output Coils doing the same thing.
-N dΦ is the same as Ampere Turns, 100 turns carrying a Current of 1 Ampere = 100 Ampere Turns or 125.6637062 gilberts, or 100.00000061546726 Webers or Henrys.
So you see, we have a Magnetic Field Changing in Time, the first rule of Electromagnetic Induction!
Our Partnered Output Coils:
Remember, over time, what did we see in The MEG?
A big jump in Core Cross Sectional Area or CSA.
I hope this helps some! Unfortunately some fiddling is required.
I think I get what you're saying. However I need to think on it some more.
In addition to more windings and cross sectional area, is it better to wrap the partnered output coils over one another?
Experiment is the answer to all questions!
I have trouble when doing that, I find the Coils get Chocked off, they fail to give good results. I think video 3, 4 and 5 showed this.
You may find another way, a way I have not? So I guess I am saying, I have not had much luck doing it that way, but it may work...
Hey Loz I have sent a PM to solve the issue you had with the PWM MODULE. I watched your video, nice work. Some time ago i have tried with a similar coil setup and open cores, and had not too much success with this. I think the coupling between the coils is the major issue. A closed core might be better, like the one from the tv screen. I found it helpful if the coils can be moved individually, as there can be found the correct position to setup the standing wave with its nodes and antinodes. Also the amount of magnetisation of the core is important, it should come close to saturation. Both on and off time have to be correct. Good work. Vidura.
I think use the baseline:
AMCC 320 Core Size:
All approximate figures...
Using this base line we should be able to work out the basic machine, to make it work, you know what I mean? Just a rough guide.
Interesting effect, do you have the ability to do a 1-2 hour run time lapsed over say 2-3 minutes? One thing to consider would be thermal effect altering the effective resistance of the circuit, but in a situation there AU is present, there could also be more interesting ideas to consider. You could try using a temperature sensor (thermocouple) and show the output on your scope. See if there is a correlation between temperature and voltage. If there is no correlation then we'd have to consider this something very unusual. If there is correlation, we'd want to see if the voltage rise stops when the temperature stabilizes. If both reach stability then we might assume it is related to temperature.
If a long term test doesn't appeal to you, a fast test to could be done by heating the coil momentarily with a heat gun (not so much that it would damage the coils). In that case you might expect the voltage to rise suddenly then drop as the coil cools. If the voltage rises but then continues to rise afterwards, further study would be a good idea. If it rises then stabilizes then its thermal and no study is needed.
Zanzal is right. Temperature Drift changes the Resistance R.
However, Cooling of the Coils is also possible, a temperature meter will be a better way to measure the Coils. Start off at room temp, then run for ten minutes, the meter may just show the cooling of the Coils.
Resistance R is related to heat, or thermal drift of the Copper Coils, in either direction, will change the Resistance.
That's why us heating the Coils with a heat gun will be of no benefit. We need to know what direction the Thermal Drift is occurring.
Hi Chris and Vidura,
Thanks for the advise! I'm loving this forum!
I had a huge fault in my last video I have my probes set on 10x... I'm actually very close! I need to go back as redo some of the experiments. I also found winding the L1 over the length of the coil made a huge difference!
The weekend is here hopefully I'll get some time to post agin soon.
We need to know what direction the Thermal Drift is occurring.
That's true, it could be that the transformer is getting cooler not hotter as the voltage rises. I think that would be a nice result. Not the one I would anticipate though.
@Zanzal, @Chris very smart explanations. I don't have a temperature sensor. I'll look into it.
The output voltage stabilizes after a few minutes, it doesn't rise up very much.
Here's a quick update with the L1 in a different position. This result has me very excited. There is still more that can be done to increase the affect. This is just the beginning.
Big thanks to Chris for all his help!
EXCELLENT Work my friend! Thank You for sharing, you have made History!
@All Members Replicating this Tech, I am so proud! You all are part of a:
We, You and I are changing the World! It truly is happening, Energy Disclosure!
More and more people are picking up the ball, learning what should be in the same category as the Times Tables, a fundamental, extremely important Life Skill!
I am so proud!
CaptainLoz, Congratulations my friend! I am so happy you are seeing this amazing result, I left a +1 on your video, wish I could do more!
You have an:
And it appears, the Oscilloscope is showing COP > 1.0. How about that!
Its all just in the way of thinking, its simple and cheap, nothing needs to be complicated!
Well done captainloz, clear and precise
thanks for sharing
Hey Loz ,
that looks great, very happy about your result.
Do you use a ferrite core in the latest video?
Yes 9 ferrite toroids (Dia 6cm x thickness 1 cm) stacked together wrapped in a piece of 1mm plastic then tape. Then I wrapped the wire. If I had more I would have used them. Coil is a bit short.
I watched the video repeatedly, a nice idea to stack toroides as core, will try something similar. If I may ask another question: do you know what the material of the ferrite is? and I could not follow how the capacitor is connected.
PD. You have a really great lab, I like this tools.
Thanks' for sharing, Vidura
Sorry I don't remember the permeability of the ferrite or type of ferrite. I got them a long time ago, I was just using what I had laying around. The cap is connected in parallel on the load side of the coil. I have to have the cap in to get the best result (.33uf cap) When the cap is connected and it's in tune the light gets brighter and the input load goes down. IE the output goes up and the input goes down.
I want to try and loop the system next and get a LED or small light to stay lit with no input. That will be the true test!
I played around with the settings. At lower frequencies, the input current draw slightly decreases. The voltage of the L3 coil increases slightly. I used two additional coils with non-conductive connection. In this case, the current of the L3 coil is excited. with or without a diode.
It might be worth considering Tom Bearden's recommendation.
Transformer with Bohm-Aharonov effect.
Good work! I see your'e quickly gaining a good grasp of whats occurring there! Well done!
The On-Time we give the machine, Current Rising over Time, is the Exciter. In the Equation: E.M.F = -N dPhi / dt Our Input , the Current Rise is dt. This, the part I marked Important in the original video. N dPhi is a Function of the Partnered Output Coils.
Many years ago I did an experiment, I learnt a lot from it.
I had an AC Electric Motor on a Metal Frame, and I also had a Car Alternator. A Belt Mechanically connected the two. I spun up the AC Motor. I shorted the Alternator input Coil. I saw power on the Output with Zero Electrical Input Power, Only Mechanical input Power.
I learnt, Coils need no Power, they only need to see Time Rate of Change! The rest comes directly from the Coil Interactions between each other!
Its not hard is it? Its easy, and Cheap!
I did this experiment last week. In the basic setup, I wound L1 over both POCs and I need only a few turns to get the voltage up.
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