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Important: Delayed Conduction in Bucking Coils

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Chris posted this 11 March 2019

My Friends,

The Effects of Delayed Conduction in Bucking Coils is important. What is Delayed Conduction? What is the point of this?

Delayed Conduction is specifically to get the Voltage on the Terminals of your Partnered Output Coils as high as possible in reason! Its the change in Magnetic Field that Creates Voltage, its the Opposition of Magnetic Fields that Pumps Current! 

Circuitry can also be employed to delay Conduction on the second Partnered Output Coil.

Ref: How to build your own Above Unity Machine

 

I gave an example of Delayed Conduction here.

As you can see, the Mosfets will only conduct when the Zener Diodes Conduct, this is rated to 18 Volts.

This means, the ends of the Partnered Output Coils must be at least 18 Volts, before the Coils can power any load!

We have seen this before! This is not new to those that have done the Study!

 

 

The MEG Demo Circuit

Where D2 represents a Bi-Directional TVS.

 

Ref: JLN MEG Replication

 

Ref: The MEG Team Data.

Where the Top Trace represents the Input Channels, and the bottom Trace Magnetic Resonance in the Output Coils, seen as Asymmetrical Regauging.

 

NOTE: JLN used a MOV in his MEG Replication. A MOV has similar Voltage to Current Characteristics! 

 

Ref: JonRB

 

 

Ref: Renesas Datasheet

 

 
Ref: The MOV or Varistor V I Characteristics

 

 

 

I want to stress the point of getting the Voltage on the Terminals of your Partnered Output Coils to a maximum without being disturbed. Input Creates a Voltage on your Terminals, then the Input is switched off. Then your Partnered Output Coils Conduct and we Pump Current.

Remember: Some of these Circuits may require an Earth Ground.

   Chris

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patrick1 posted this 23 June 2019

every time i improve my POC layout, it gets worse .  laugh out loud.   ... series, parallel, and transformer core coupling. ...  i thought this was going too be a breeze once i understood and build the tools for the job.  umm.  no,   floury twats.

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Chris posted this 23 June 2019

Hey Patrick,

I always say: "Little Steps for Little Feet" Sir Richard Feynman.

Investigate the Reasons it is getting worse. The Reasons are where answers lay. Break it down to the smallest possible components! Ask yourself:

  • Are the Currents in the Partnered Output Coils Opposing?
  • If not Why Not!
  • What do I need to do to make them Oppose?

 

There are always answers one only has to ask the right questions.

   Chris

getreal156 posted this 24 June 2019

Hi Cris and Patrick

Just to let you know. I'm also working on MEG experiments and learning as I go. I will soon post some information about the progress I'm making (good or bad.

I just was reading this topic about using a MOV to control the shape and timing of the 'bucking pulse' on L3,
A new concept for me and extremely interesting. I didn't experiment with it yet and I guess to select the right MOV I first need to measure the voltage peeks in an open coil circuit. Is this correct? The voltage peeks that we will see vary based on the input voltage so probably it would be wise to get a range of MOV's with different values.  

Jasper

 

 

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patrick1 posted this 24 June 2019

Hi alpha156 , happy too hear about another replicator, -   after a great many years, its becoming clear too me that the MEG is basically the same as Chris's thing. which i had never heard of before HYIQ. -   even though it is basically what all the greats from history were doing, -  HYIQ seems too be the bedini motor of the 18'th century ;-D

https://www.Utube.com/watch?v=ZK5YMXmp7Ts

my video for today may not be groundbreaking, - because i am trying too simplify my strong foundations before taking the next step, (over the next few days) - eventually i hope too understand things so well, that i can make a MOV circuit,, and understand why it works. .  and im getting close, - but since my version with so many knobs, isnt working well yet, -  i have some ways too go, but i think i understand exactly what has too happen, just a matter to bending things too my WILL.(the easy part)   - anyway as i improve this device, i will add magnets, because the magnets are only going too improve the situation, - but they will also potentially confuse the shit out of the learning process, - so hopfully i can demonstrate this too you 156, and you can skip some of my hurdles.  - i think i am close.

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solarlab posted this 24 June 2019

My Friends,

I hope this video helps some more!

 

When a good understanding is achieved, we will have more and more successes. Its only a matter of time now!

@MM - Thanks.

   Chris

 

Hi Chris,

Excellent Video and Info!

Maybe put this in a New Thread as well - and "lock" it or whatever. Unbelievably IMPORTANT stuff!

And also add the info from the post where you wrote [quote] "Each MMF is approximately equal but Opposite. Thus the Opposing Red Arrows.

Note: The average Textbook does not ever consider any Opposing Magnetic Field from the Secondary Coil. You can see:"

Thanks again...  SL

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patrick1 posted this 25 June 2019

Another important discovery, - i just made, - the effect seems too vanish altogether, when the windings ratio changes, -  at first, i was using  pri / sec / sec.  1 : 2 : 3 .   . and it was working. - , just not too well.   -however when i cleaned up the reasons for the inadequate performance,.  and i killed the effect altogether !!  oops...  - so im trying, as we speak, too confirm this.  - will advise !

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Chris posted this 26 June 2019

My Friends,

I think a good way to visualise the Magnetic Fields and how they act, react and counter react with each other is a very good way to start thinking about the Magnetic fields.

Remember the video I found and re-posted:

 

I hope this helps!

   Chris

Vidura posted this 26 June 2019

In this test I tried to get the currents at 180° shifted, using a setup for delayed conduction in one coil. The same as in the Mr Preva experiment, but with coils of equal inductance. I found at a certain frequency rang a kind of parametric oscillation, the currents waveform indicate saturation of the core. But even trying a many adjustment I could not manage to shift the phases with this technique in this particular setup.

Vidura.

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Chris posted this 26 June 2019

Vidura, Excellent!

Excellent Experiment!

Bringing the input down may yield a little more information in the experiment. This is fantastic, a huge amount of information can be learned here.

Would you mind doing a Circuit Diagram? I may be able to help a little more.

Excellent work Vidura!

   Chris

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Chris posted this 27 June 2019

My Friends,

Also, and Vidura this may help you, the Coefficient of Coupling, if too high, then getting the Coils to Oppose is very hard!

Space your Coils apart, make the Coupling very low.

Please keep in mind, I said:

Can anyone tell my why Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance is necessary?

Ref: EMJunkie ( Me, Chris )

 

This will help!

   Chris

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Vidura posted this 27 June 2019

Thank you for the guidance Chris, As I will be out from my place for some days, I'll continue the testing next week. The schematic I will attach some pictures soon.

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Jagau posted this 27 June 2019

Hi Chris

Tesla insisted a lot on the coupling loose in his coils, I quote him and it is the principal reason:

Dixit Nicolas Tesla:

A loosely-coupled transformer will provide a higher output voltage at the expense of a lower power transfer efficiency

 

He could even go with coefficients as low as K = 0.2

 

Jagau

Vidura posted this 27 June 2019

Below the video I have attached a schematic drawing. Vidura

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Chris posted this 27 June 2019

Hey Jagau,

Interesting, I did not know that! Thanks.

I gave an answer to the first question:

Answer: The Magnetic Field in each Partnered Output Coil must be given the time to build up! A Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance gives the Partnered Output Coils a little bit of room for the Fields to build! So each Field can support its Partner!

Please check back on this post as I may edit it if I can think of a better way to explain this.

Ref: EMJunkie ( Me, Chris )

 

I hope this helps!

   Chris

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patrick1 posted this 27 June 2019

I have had a fun few days on the bench, - trying too replicate one of my own experiments. - EG.  - i understand transformers better than i did 2 weeks ago, - but previously, this experiment @ 5-6 mins https://www.Utube.com/watch?v=SyAgafxy7io&t=316s  demonstrates that using one POC too short a tiny fraction of the off the end of each PRImary square wave, via the transformer, ...  can add too the amplitude of the second POC.   -  this is only a tiny fraction of what we are doing here, - but i want too be able too understand it and replicate at will.

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getreal156 posted this 28 June 2019

Hi all,

In regard to the topic of delayed conduction I came across this video that I thought it might be of interest.

I'm not an expert and correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that such a coil could also be used as sort of a tunable delay capacitor. Right?

Please let me know what you think

Jasper

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Chris posted this 28 June 2019

Hi Jasper,

Interesting video, some good experiments to learn about Coil Characteristics!

  • Inductance
  • Distributed Capacitance
  • High-Voltage

 

An example of Delayed Conductance is as follows:

 

  1. Primary Induces a Voltage in the secondary.
  2. When ( E ) reached 10 Volts we have a small circuit that switches ( X ) On.
  3. The Globe BL1 is delayed in conduction after the Secondary has a Voltage on the Terminals, there is no Conduction. 

 

I see there is still much confusion on this topic! It is easier to think backwards I have found, remember our thread: Parallel Wire or Bifilar Coil Experiment 

Ask yourself the question:

Two Parallel wires, with permanent Conduction, ends soldiered, how do we get the Coils to oppose each other?

 

 

That's the Critical part, how do we get the Coils to oppose each other?

   Chris

Forelle posted this 29 June 2019

Hi Chris,

i thought it would maybe much easier,if we all would work on the same device where somebody (youlaughing)has reached all the needed requierements,i am now about a half year here and no one so far has made this "simple" Transformer.You now how long it did take you to get there and it is not so easy until you have it ones.

Thank you.

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Chris posted this 29 June 2019

Hey Forelle,

What you propose is a good idea, one we have looked at before and discussed.

The problem is Parts, Coils, Circuitry, and most importantly: Knowledge.

Wistiti will attest to this: even by building the exact replica, of a machine, one may not get the same results!

An Example: Chris's Replication of Lari Man's Объект 013Б, I was un-able to make this device work, I tried and tried, but I could not make it work.

I believe this device could work, its just I was not able to make it work.

It is a case of Build and fiddle until one finds the right spot!

In saying this, I have built or replicated other machines and  was able to make them work.

The situation is, its a general knowledge that's gained in Experimenting, and once one understands, then the odds of success grows much higher. Because it truly is in the understanding with just a little luck.

Every Member / Reader that has been following has something that none of the rest of the world has: Operating Parameters as a goal!

   Chris

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Forelle posted this 29 June 2019

Hi Chris,

i know even if someone replicates a device of someone else that it maybe doesnt work as it should,but this alone should show how important it is that at least the parts are the same and if you trust the builder of the device that he get it working it is "only " tuning that is required.At the moment i have the feeling that it is very hard if someone throws parts together,there are so many variables.

At the moment i know only you whom i trust and has all the knowledge for it to get it working.You think if more people build your device and dont get it working than they will blame you.On the other hand it would be very interesting why one device works and the other not if everything is the same.In my case,i have no luck and i would like to exclude it.

The new thread should be called:Building a working device together.

Oliver

Chris posted this 29 June 2019

Hey Oliver,

I agree, what you're saying is logical and sensible.

I have some info I plan to release on a bigger scale soon. I have already released some bits on it. Currently, it mostly been over looked.

Realistically, I have broken this down to the most simple things, I would expect most everyone to be already working on the most basic things already, which should be almost the same machine anyway?

   Chris

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Forelle posted this 29 June 2019

Hi Chris,

you are right,it should be the same machine anyway,in my case i think i have to less knowledge  and for me it is much easier to understand this all when i have a device that shows all.But to get to this point is an other page.

I think i understand the requirements needed but to make them work together is hard,you know what it did take to get where you are and how long.

Oliver

Forelle posted this 29 June 2019

Hi everyone,

a short suggestion:

The load(in Ohm) on the L3 coil could be seen as the adjustment of the magnetic fieldstrenght,so it would be beneficial if this would be a adjustable resistance,like a pot but non inductive.I have wound a wire for heating on a piece of tile (wirediameter 1,5mm) and it has a resistance of 0 to 14 ohm.You select the needed value with the crocodile clip.

Maybe it helps somebody.

@Chris,i think we have enough info how it works,it is maybe more  lack of practical implementation.Maybe more people should work on the same device with all parts the same.If more people think the same,let me know than we build one together and compare the results.Just a thought.

Have a good day.

Oliver

 

Chris posted this 30 June 2019

My Friends,

I am too early with this, risking my future plans, and fear it may even confuse others. But, here goes:

I have shared part of this before. Its a good example of Delayed Conduction. I used the small version of The MEG replication I built:

 

 

 

In investigation, to find other ways of achieving the results I had found in other experiments, I was trying a few different things:

 

Some years back: 29.11.2015 I did an experiment. It was very interesting. The layout:

Very simple, but also very effective. With no Earth lead I could not make this work, with an Earth lead, I found a resonance at a very unusual frequency! in my setup I found at around 1208Hz, my Input went nearly to Zero.

Yet the device was shaking as if it had a few dozen watts through it.

Input Voltage becomes nearly Sawtooth, Triangle Wave - but is in-fact Square, H-Bridge Switched DC

I have a sensing Coil on one leg - Voltage on the Coil goes up showing higher Voltage at resonance as one would expect

An example of Resonance. I had posted this to the net, none were interested!

   Chris

 

Important: My Home made H-Bridge was not switched properly, there was a delay in switching Polarity's.

Here is a basic Circuit, an Old Circuit, I scavenged from an old Build:

 

Using only one of the Two Pin Terminal Blocks out to the Coils.

 

From Here:

 

I always try to recycle, even small simple things.

My H-Bridge switching was not clean, I was getting Spikes. I was getting Noise. This Noise appears to be a requirement for the Triggering of Magnetic Resonance. I call it Delayed Conduction.

The Noise comes from Interference. From the Time Rate of Change of Current, the Ampere-Turns ( NI ), in proximity to a Secondary Coil. I have tried for a long time to give an example of Traces on a PCB:

 

Ref: Parallel Wire or BiFilar Coil Experiment and many other places.

 

Think of each PCB Trace above, as The Partnered Output Coils. What causes the Spikes? It is the Rate of Change of the Current, E.M.F = N di/dt, that creates a Voltage, or as pointed out, dV/dt C = I.

  • Capacitive Coupling.
  • Inductive Coupling.

 

As the First Trace ( POCOne ) has a Changing Voltage, ( POCTwo ) will therefore have a Current Induced in it, if a Current can flow, E.G: A load is attached, is Conductive.

There are many situations where this will not work!

  • If Trace one and two are both conducting the same Current at the same time.
  • Some sort of Shielding is present and Trace two cannot see the change in Trace one.
  • The list goes on...

 

However, when the Magnetic Fields are right, one can Pump the other! They work together. Then, we can call this: Magnetic Resonance!

This is why I encouraged more work on Fighters Thread: Romanian ZPM (Zero Point Module) 

 

NOTE: This work follows almost exactly, Floyd Sweets early work:

Ref: P.8, March 1995 Volume 2, Number 11, New Energy News Letter

 

Resonance = Magnetic Resonance. At any one time the Coils are "Generating" as much Energy as is required to keep them in Operation. This is the reason the Input Current reduced nearly to Zero!

  1. The MEG does exactly the same thing when running correctly!
      2. However it reaches this goal in another, already explained method.
  2. As does Graham Gunderson's MIT!
  3. As does Tinman's RT V3!

 

I may share a small video soon on this if all goes well.

   Chris

Forelle posted this 30 June 2019

Hi Chris,

Only a short question,are the smal coils input  and the large output(Meg like)?If so,how do you connect the output?Everything like in the Meg?Maybe i should wait till you show it.I am interessted.

If i open a thread Is there a possibility to go directly to the last post?

Thanks

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patrick1 posted this 30 June 2019

Alpha156, well done !! awesome capacitive coil. - looks completely different too one i found for ignition coils 10years ago, and yours is much less mysterious shape ;-D...  somebody was trying too call his version, like scalar ign coils.  very cool,

Forelle = i feel your pain on not being able too just take this blue pill.  i want the best version of this bucker too, and i want it now..   == I think you should create that new thread, and we can all use offline image storage, so just click too view...  - and save this tread for the breakthroughs...  

https://www.Utube.com/watch?v=FTb7Qw5LPh4

Chris =  im really happy with my progress, but my machine is still nowere near OU, - what do you see as being the next step for me ?

PS, i still have much inspiration that i have yet too implement. .  - EG. my 2 secondaries would be better not having a primary inbetween them.  - and i still have not made this counter wound bi-primary too increase rise times...  AND i want too learn more about the coupling co-efficents.....  and  my current idea of resonance in this instance is too have the primary fully relaxed too zero before the next positive pulse. - however having read your last post about the h bridge.-  , and specifically square waves, that read the triangles, - i think we are both looking at the same *resonance.  but nothing like a tesla coil style.

 

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Chris posted this 30 June 2019

Hey Forelle,

The Coils are the Outside Coils as depicted in the diagram.

The Top Coils, closest to the Magnets would normally be the Input Coils on The MEG. But not in this experiment. Not in Fighters Experiment.

Hey Patrick,

I left a message on your video. Keep a running Mr Preva Experiment on your bench, next to your current experiment. I think it could greatly help.

Good on the documentation, I find Video Documentation has a greater over all benefit!

  • I think there may be a misunderstanding on The Reduced Impedance Effect, its an effect the Output Coils exhibit, not the Input Coil.

Keep up the good work!

   Chris

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patrick1 posted this 03 July 2019

I kept all my transformers from this project, - i only rewound 2 coils, and regretted that immediately. so no more of that.

progress i would say is good, - and efficiency get better every time i reduce the coils resistance.,  and everything is behaving predictably which is great, -  but the plan is now too keep working on the overall efficency, and gaining experience, but i think i have the effect licked...  really just need alot more experience with it, AND with transformers, - then i will start adding magnets etc.   checkout the video i just recorded.

 

Peace

Chris posted this 03 July 2019

Hey Patrick,

progress i would say is good

 

Agreed! Well done! You're alot further ahead now! You are looking good, have the basic concepts, much of them, sorted now! Its just a case of making small step improvements.

You are seeing right now the right effects! You only have to improve on them!

Remember, a Symmetrical System can not be Above-Unity, it must be Asymmetrical.

Keep up the good work!

   Chris

 

P.S: Please use the Edit Button to edit your posts to change Post Info. I believe in Members being able to edit posts at will, many uses.

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Vidura posted this 06 July 2019

As I had really little time for research lately, it was not possible to do all the tests that I planned, but some results I will share in a short resume. I will try to make a documentation with videos - images in a later moment. In continuation with the same setup as in the last video I have posted, always with two coils with identical nr of turns and inductance, on a EE core, without airgap generally I noted an increased impedance due to the aligned magnetic fields, unless the core became saturated. I have used a 50% duty cycle to drive the half bridge, and swept thru frequencies, above 3 kHz or so the current of one output coil shifts to nearly 180ª , but independent if the output is delayed or not, and the currents are insignificantly small. The coils drawn only 10 to 20 mA at 30 V. And although I tried with many different frequencies and switching timings it was not possible to achieve the reversal of the current in one coil by delay the conduction in my setup. When I introduced an airgap in the core, the impedance decreased, proportional to the size of the airgap. For the moment I would conclude that the effect of current pumping like in the Mr.Preva setup is mainly produced due to the ratio between the numbers of turns or inductance of the partnered coils, and not with timing.
Regards Vidura.

Chris posted this 06 July 2019

Hey Vidura,

The capacity between the Coils is where we see a point in Magnetic Resonance.

If I may, an effect is worth a thousand words:

 

NOTE: The Running, Resonant frequency: 620Hz %50 Duty Cycle

 

I am not presenting this as proof of Above-Unity, I have given no Measurements. However, it is a proof of Effect. Careful study will reveal a bunch of very important concepts! 

I think, if you don't mind me saying, your last statement is perhaps not entirely accurate:

For the moment I would conclude that the effect of current pumping like in the Mr.Preva setup is mainly produced due to the ratio between the numbers of turns or inductance of the partnered coils, and not with timing.

 

Although, I have also mentioned this as one way to assist in the end result:

NOTE: Sometimes dropping a few turns on one Partnered Output Coil can be of benefit.

Ref: How to build your own Above Unity Machine

 

We have a great deal to learn, it is important we do not overlook some of the most simple things.

   Chris

Chris posted this 06 July 2019

My Friends,

A little more info on the above setup:

 

 

Note: Zero Conduction between Scope Ground and PSU Negative:

 

 

I first posted this to the thread I started: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy way back on November 29, 2015, 7 AM and have posted several times here on this forum, aboveunity.com.

This is old information and it is only one Experiment I have done to gain further knowledge on Bucking Coils!

I have said, many will be able to explain this away, but the truth is, the explanations are unsatisfactory for what really is going on here.

   Chris

Vidura posted this 06 July 2019

Hey. Chris, In this test the only concern was to verify if I could achieve the reversal if current by delaying the conduction, the schematic is attached below the former video, In no way I wanted to disregard the effects of switching or delaying an output coil, further testing will follow with different configurations. Anyway I am not sure if the EE cores will work for this, and I do t have C cores available at the moment, less of amorphous material. You can move the last posts to the Mr Preva thread, as it is maybe more related to this topic. Regards Vidura.

Chris posted this 06 July 2019

My Friends,

I have read some comments from people, some are surprisingly positive!

Of course I expected nothing but positive from our Members of which I highly value!

@Vidura, my friend, no need to apologize, I took no offence and I hope I did not offend you? I did promise more info on this device, now was a good opportunity, I took it. I did say, its possible a bit too early, and for many, this will not make sense. But its here If others wish to study it.

I read a comment from one of the trolls of old, and wow that surprised me also!

Perhaps, we, the human race are starting to Awaken!

   Chris

Vidura posted this 06 July 2019

Hey Chris,
Thanks for the informative video, It makes clear that you refered with the delayed conduction to a extended deadtime on the complementary signal of the H bridge. Could it be that the capacitive effect in this experiment is due to the capacitance of the earth ground, and not between the coils? I have seen a similar effect many times on teslacoils, altough the current to ground was generally measurable, at high frequencies.

I tried the same experiment as before but I have removed 5 turns from 144 in one of the coils. Now the currents are opposing over a wide range of frequency. Here a scopeshot near of the saturation point of the core:

Tomorrow i'll give a try with the magnetic resonance, if I can reproduce the effect you have shown.

Regards VIDURA.

Chris posted this 06 July 2019

Hey Vidura,

Fantastic Work!

I just want to point out, this experiment is only a start to further understand the greater objective, there is more to this.

Remember the required Earth in many machines before us:

  • Don Smith - Briefcase.
  • Tariel Kapanadze - BTG.
  • Akula - BTG.
  • Ruslan - BTG.
  • many others...

 

There are problems with getting accurate measurements on this, it is very easy for Ground Loops and shorts in general. It can be done however.

One way I have done it:

 

NOTE: mV = mA, in this case 893 Micro Amperes, this is a 0.1 ohm Resistor and the Scope Probe is set to 10X giving a reading on the scope of 1 : 1.

Because this Is a sinusoidal waveform, RMS should be used to increase the accuracy. But Mean gives a Mean Deviation. It can be seen, the Current to and from Ground is minuscule! 24mVpk2pk x 0.707 = 16.96mA. However, its resonant, In and then Out again.

Which is pretty consistent with my cheap DMM:

 

Note: My Scope gives a reading of ≅0.3mV when the machine is turned off, Noise on the Scope Probe, very hard to take such small readings when there is noise like this on the line. My Scope is a bit noisy are very low voltage.

Lots to learn, little time...

   Chris

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patrick1 posted this 07 July 2019

Hi Boys,  yesterday i reported that after much work i managed too disapprove an effect i was working with ,  that was, - (putting a 1%duty short circuit loading onto a single POC. - whilst both POCS are also simultaneously in series, - lighting globes with transformer rebound. -  - &always square wave input, usually about 10%- but works fine up too and above 50%.

Anyways i realized i didn't complete a full battery of tests too disprove this effect. - afterall the effect is tantamount too a real resonance effect, since it involves applying power in one direction, and taking advantage of the fist rebound, and then also the second rebound if timed correctly.

so i have great hopes for this effect. - but the better i made the overall transformer efficiency ( AKA the lesser the resistance of the POC's) - resulted in the effect disappearing, -   BUT. - the best results i got with the effect. was when first POC, was down too only 100turns, (no effect when both@ 100t),  and the second POC was @ 300T . (. shorting coil )

so sorry about being long winded, - but not sleeping much, - anyway i have spent the day building a new transformer, and set of coils. - so im about too run some tests @ 3am.  - but this time, i have 4 coils per transformer, - and i want too try 2 POCS, and a single shorting coil. - because they seem too work with high resistance,....   great work is going down, thnx for joining in !! ;;-D    -oh and 2x 1inch neo's optional ;;-D

(yesterdays video)

patrick1 posted this 07 July 2019

smash'in the midnight oil .

Chris posted this 08 July 2019

Well done Patrick!

You have come so far in only a few weeks and look at what you have!

The Noise is good on your DUT! Bucking Coils at Audible Frequency do make more noise, and effect of the Action!

NOTE: Shorting a Coil is the same as Loading the Coil with a load where the RLC values are as you would see In a shorting Cable. You have Power in this Coil also, its a given, where the Ampere Turns ( NI ) are the same between the two Partnered Output Coils.

After your recent experiments, more of what I have been saying will make more sense, its a roller coaster effect isn't it wink

Well Done! You deserve a pat on the back!

   Chris

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Vidura posted this 08 July 2019

Hey Patrick, good work! You are using laminated silicon steel? Chris is right saying that the shorted coil is like a load, with one difference I have found in my earlier transformer testing, in a ferrite transformer with standard winding I found when the output was shorted the input increased a lot , but it became purely reactive, so that no real current was drawn from the source. Another thing, I tried to replicate the magnetic resonance experience posted by Chris, but with my core and coils I didn't get the effect, it might be due to a smaller inductance in my coils, or the geometric arrangements on the EE core. @Chris, could you replicate with ferrite core once? Anyway , I will be on journey soon, no time left to continue for the moment, will resume end of the month with some new materials hopefully. Keep up your good work! Vidura

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patrick1 posted this 08 July 2019

Hi Vidura, . Iron Core Buddy, - all of my transformers so far, are exactly 1/4 of a MOT E core, with the middle of the E cut out.

Thankyou Chris. - i want too play around with this shorting, magnetic bouncing effect for a few more days, - before i move on too true bucking coils, - with and without magnets. ...   im trying not too cut corners with the experiments, - so when i get it, i should really understand it ....   - i would ask you, but i am also humbled by this shorting (last 1%duty) bouncing effect, -  i dont understand it yet ;-D ... it works with a 100turn input coil, and a 100turn output coil.  - and shorting coils from 200turns+ ... - but even the slightest transistor changes on the shorting coil, nullify the effect. - very strange. - so i have the issue isolated, but not understood !!!. 

Chris posted this 08 July 2019

Hey Vidura,

I will do a short video and see what I get. Previous tests would indicate Ferrite as good as Nanocrystalline as this is where my early tests started. I will confirm soon.

 

Hey Partick,

Document all you can, don't dismiss what you have, take Inductance readings, DC Resistance, Current Flow readings, Frequency and Duty Cycle and delay in the waveforms.

Yes you're right, there is a Timing here, too short no workey, to long, no workey. There has to be a response there that brings this effect on! Now, I believe you will find, this is the best analogy for this effect:

 

One has to get the Waves Slapping together to make this work!

Isn't it amazing how far we have come in such a short time!

   Chris

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patrick1 posted this 09 July 2019

Yes buddy, i feel that way too, -  we have come a long way.  and i feel we are now on a roll.,  - the methodical methodology means one thing too me, -   building muscle memory and invaluable experience.  - even though, the more work i do, - the more doorways become avaliable too me. = more than i can explore day too day,  -  im really enjoying the push and pull

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Chris posted this 10 July 2019

Hey Vidura,

As promised, a Ferrite Core Demonstration:

 

Yes, the Ferrite Core does work, but as expected, the Resonant Frequency is much higher: 2.65KHz

Please excuse my Core rant at the end, it was directed at all the Magic Science Guru's on the other Forums. I like to set the record straight is all. Some maintain Magic Cores... Magic Ferrite, its all a bunch of complete rubbish!

I hope this helps!

   Chris

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Atti posted this 10 July 2019

Hi.

I would ask for help from others. Those who have the opportunity.
Chris's experiment (Magnetic Resonance) is repeated, I tried.

My problems:
-The capacity between the coils is not satisfactory. That's why I added an external capacity. (in the second half of the video)
- Without external capacity, I can't repeat the experiment, but there's no waveform.
(this video also shows external capacity at 6:05 min 

)
-In my uploaded video, none of the inductances shown in the background is satisfactory.
- Earthing in one layout is not satisfactory either.
- Earthing with the oscilloscope sometimes drops.
-The performance (or resistance) of the bulb changes the resonance.

I encourage everyone to repeat the experiment.
- Is there any other problem?
-What kind of?
-Does replication succeed?
-What are your experiences?

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Chris posted this 10 July 2019

Hey Atti,

@ 2 : 58 in your first video, you achieve the result.

  • Tap the Coils with a Ground Wire and the Sinusoidal Wave form appears on the Scope.

 

Perhaps a bad Ground? Try pouring water around your ground pole. Are the Coils CW CCW Wound? This gives the best result. but is not necessary! Also perhaps you're too high Frequency, a big machine like that you should only be down around 300Hz, the time base ( 500us ) indicates you might be too high Frequency?

Please remember, this is only an Effect, a step towards an Asymmetrical Device.

   Chris

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Atti posted this 11 July 2019

Hey Chris.

I'm still trying.
  Yeah, I know it's just an effect.
But this is probably important.

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patrick1 posted this 11 July 2019

Hi Chris,  i liked your video,  i concede this is not a magic core, .  but can we turn that into a magic machine with 2 magnets and a secondary ?

BTW this is fun, i have a few more elaborate methods i want too try, - *from my dreams...    and then i will come back down too earth, and use your 10years experience too help peeps in this world....     &&im still working on my pendulum water pump, and newman motor !!....  so this would be a rite cherry !

** see what i grabbed off the eevMAGIC forum.   http://www.kazumi-kikou.com/pdf/3007.pdf   cool IC

 

ati ; i love the diesel electric hybrid soundtrack

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Chris posted this 11 July 2019

Hey Patrick,

There is no Magic!

Electromagnetic Induction is not Magic. We understand it fairly well, its just Science stopped exploring it when it was in its infancy!

Improving what you had in the last video will give you greater output, you must work on that, focus on increasing the Output and reducing the Input. This is one way its done:

 

 

Other ways also exist, but I think we don't want to diverge to much or we might see some confusion.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 12 July 2019

My Friends,

It should be noted, anyone with an insy bit of Electronics knowledge, will be able to affirm this fact; What I have shown you is not Conventionally Understood Behaviour for Coils!

 

Coils Natural resonance is much higher than the Frequencies I am showing you! The only way, normally to get Resonance on Coils like these it to add Capacity, a Capacitor! We are not doing this!

Here is an example:

 

You can see: 550KHz is the Natural Resonant Point on that Coil.

The Coils Natural Resonant Point is a combination of Distributed Capacitance between the Turns of the Coil, a Capacitance, and the Inductance of the Coil. This gives Inductance ( L ), Capacitance ( C ) and Resistance ( R ) or LCR Resonance = 1 / 2π sqrt(LC) = Frequency in Hz and the Resistance is considered Damping ( ζ ).

Even with an Earth, the Coils lowest Resonance would be: 550Khz / 0.25 = ‭137.5‬KHz still hundreds of thousands of Hertz away from what I have shown you!

My Coils have much fewer turns, my Natural Resonance Frequency will be very much higher than the video shown.

I have shown a few hundred Hz, we are many thousands of Hz lower! What I have shown you is a different Resonance than typical LC Resonance. The Coils Capacity has changed drastically! This is a direct result of the Opposing Magnetic Fields.

This is new, its not in any textbook I have read, not in any literature anywhere, not anywhere I have been able to find!

   Chris

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