• Parametric oscillations and standing magnetic waves

Parametric oscillations and standing magnetic waves

  • 3.8K Views
  • Last Post 13 December 2019
Vidura posted this 27 September 2019

Hello Friends. A short introduction first. I had some communication with member YoElMiCrO, initially for a different subject. As Fighter has shared his ZPM device, it called his attention, and he began to do some tests and elaborated a theory. We started to exchange Ideas and discuss the matter. I wanted to say in this opportunity that YoElMiCrO is an experienced EE and more than that he have an open mind to think outside the box as well. As he is very occupied lately, and for languish preference I will do the edition, with his agreement of course. In this thread we will share some results of tests, and also discuss the underlying theory.

Vidura

Order By: Standard | Newest | Votes
Zanzal posted this 19 October 2019

Thank you both for your explanations.

I understand where you are coming from on not wanting to share your hypothesis YoElMiCro. 

@Vidura, I am still a little confused by your theory specifically for me the stumbling block is I don't know how to map L to spacial distance. The capacitance between the coils in Fighters ZPM should be very low because of the distance between them. Also, wouldn't at 1/2 wavelength the ends of the coils be at antinodes according to your theory and thus at minimum potential?

Chris posted this 19 October 2019

Hello everyone.

@Zanzal.
I still keep it as a hypothesis since there are many gaps left to cover.
The basis of the hypothesis is as follows.
For decades physicists gave names to the entity we are looking for.
Those names were, Ether, ZPE, Quantum Void, Sea of Dirac among others.
We know that from somewhere we have to extract energy to finally achieve AU.
From my point of view this entity is only the electric field.
I explain...
In any transformer with two inductors formed by N1 and N2
under pulse work regime, (E) is always present.
We don't have to wait to generate any magnetic field.
From the moment we apply the pulse to one of the two inductors, say N1, it will appear
a voltage in N2 that will be V2 = V1 / (N1 / N2) as we all know.
If we leave the voltage V1 to N1 applied, we will start to use energy from our source
supply due to the magnetizing inductance N1 that will move the magnetic domains
in a given direction.
On the other hand if we apply a charge to N2, then to hold the electric field
that is entering the system will also be our source of supply that provides energy.
That is what T.E Bearden refers to when he talks about not destroying the dipole, at least I think so.

This simple experiment demonstrates how to make only magnetizing energy
the supply source provides while the load current is provided by the material itself.
It is a circuit with positive feedback, in this way N2 will make a clamp to the voltage
of supply and the magnetic field itself will provide the charging current.
It is the same basis for Mr. Preva's experiment but it works in the first quadrant.
N.E Zaev also applies the same hypothesis from my point of view.
But about an inductor and the capacity of self-magnetization that the material possesses
that composes it, because during this spontaneous action the tension will continue induced
in his secondary, in his case the timeline is the one that relates the energy.
The secondary voltage lasts longer than the applied one, then the energy gain
It will be proportional to the time ((T) induced / (T) initial.

If you look, I think everything is related, the idea of ​​getting that field (E) from the middle
and the current of magnetism is what I currently pursue.
Chris is right.

Thanks in advance.
YoElMiCrO.

 

YoElMiCrO, I believe you have it. wink

A small Input Pulse can and does create a large Output Pulse under the right conditions.

We must all stick together, we are all one, every single human being on this planet must benefit from this! I ask all of you, try to stay up to speed on this! Learning, Building and Sharing is the only path forward.

   Chris

Zanzal posted this 19 October 2019

Unfortunately I am not in a position to replicate YoElMiCro's experiment, but if someone is able to do so and share the results I'd like to see them. It looks good on paper. Hopefully I'll remember to do the experiment a few months from now once I am able.

Vidura posted this 20 October 2019

Hey CD I1(pico) means peak current 1, and L(p) the primary inductance. The circuit involves the current amplification like the mr preva setup. @zanzal The parametric oscillator principles relays on magnetic resonance, and a magnetic field does not change linearly in time, that is why the difference with the spacial distance or nr of turns. For example the ZPM is quarter wave relationship not half wave, because for inductance we have to use SQR 0.25 which gives a 0.5 relationship between the two windings Vidura.

Zanzal posted this 20 October 2019

@zanzal The parametric oscillator principles relays on magnetic resonance, and a magnetic field does not change linearly in time, that is why the difference with the spacial distance or nr of turns. For example the ZPM is quarter wave relationship not half wave, because for inductance we have to use SQR 0.25 which gives a 0.5 relationship between the two windings Vidura.

Good point, I forget that sometimes, but it does mean that your theory should be testable, since turns ratios other than 1:0.5 and 1:0.86 should be significantly less efficient. And winding it with a ratio of 1:0.71 should result in no AU according to your theory correct?

Jagau posted this 21 October 2019

Hy yoeimicro


I just got back from the trip and I just read the answer to my question.
Thanks for the answer, I understand better, but that begs another question.

Since you have idealized the inductance factor to 1,
what will be the number of turns for N2 if we have a ferrite core with a real factor of

7800 nanohenries and for n1 is 100 turns ?

Jagau

YoElMiCrO posted this 21 October 2019

Hello everyone.

@Jagau.
The above formula only applies if both inductors
share the same core, this will indicate that the factor Al
It will be the same in both cases.
No matter what value Al possesses, provided it is the same,
if on the contrary the inductors are wound on materials
with different values of Al, you must calculate the turns by
separated to fulfill the stationary relationship in the function of
longitudinal wave

@Zanzal.
The above hypothesis is the basis of the observed phenomena.
At least for me, I think I didn't understand your question.
In the shortest possible time I will explain what I think happens in the
Experiments performed by Vidura and me.

The truth is that I don't like to talk about something that still has many gaps
theoretical, it is only work and experiments that will gradually lead us to
partial or total understanding of these phenomena.

Thanks in advance.

YoElMiCrO.

Wistiti posted this 24 October 2019

Hi YoElMiCrO and all. So with the formula you share , is there a simple ratio we can use for newbies? Something like 1 turn for 1,9 turns on a same core?

The kind of easy way as everyone can easily try..?

Thank you!

YoElMiCrO posted this 24 October 2019

Hello everyone.

@Wistiti.

It turns out that in the transformers it is very difficult to make turns
decimals, this is because once it enters the core
It is considered a complete turn.
There are methods to make half turns, using the posts
sides of the E-transformers, but this is not the case.
That is why the best relationship of turns would be this.
Every 7 complete turns of N2, N1 will have 7 + 1 = 8.
It is important to note that only multiples of 7 are allowed.
For example, let's say that N2 = 14 Turn is twice 7, then N1 = 14 + 2 = 16 and
so consecutively.
Then the final relationship would be:
N1 = 7n + n.
Where 7 is the smallest number of turns for N2 and n is the number of times you rolled 7 turns in N2, that is a multiplier.

I don't know if I help you.

Thanks in advance.
YoElMiCrO.

Wistiti posted this 24 October 2019

Thank you for the clarification, it is really appreciated!

So if i understand correctly N2 must be first a multiple of 7 and N1 is the same as N2 plus the number of time we have 7 turns in N2.

For example.

N2= 7 turns, N1 must be 7 +1 or 8 turns.

N2 = 14 turns (or 2 times 7), N1 must be 14 + 2 or 16 turns.

N2 = 70 turns (or 10 times 7), N1 must be 70 + 10 or 80 turns.

And so on...

Much more clear for me now!

Thanks again for your contribution!

YoElMiCrO posted this 02 November 2019

Hello everyone.

Due to work problems I have not been able to design
other experiments to fully validate my
hypothesis about the phenomenon that occurs between E / B.
Whenever I return from travel I have accumulated work
but little by little I have been finishing it.
I apologize.

Thanks in advance.
YoElMiCrO.

Zanzal posted this 03 November 2019

I'm sure you are making more progress than I am. I was unable to detect anything like a "slow travelling magnetic wave" in the transformer core (at least anything that would impact power output). The modified experiment used an amorphous core toroid with small primary and secondary placed on opposite sides. If there was some frequency at which the primary couldn't efficiently deliver power to the secondary, because of the secondary being at the anti-node region then it would have opened up some interesting possibilities. Unfortunately, I couldn't an anti-node at frequencies between 100Hz and 10MHz with a 2 inch diameter core. I'll have to try again with a larger core at some point.

Vidura posted this 03 November 2019

Hey Zanzal
Good that you are trying to do experiments. It is not likely that the core size or material will be crucial for the effect.To set up a standing wave it is necessary to have two waves in oposite direction, and at magnetic resonance the amplitude will rise, I found the easiest way to use a unconnected scope probe beside the core as antenna fot tuning. For a slowly traveling wave there has to be a small difference in the frequency additionally.

For the first case any transformer setup will show the effect if the secondary is LOADED. There has to be current in the coils to produce a magnetic wave. POC  also will setup the standing wave ,if current is drawn.

For the other case of a travelling wave there has to be two different frequencys on both coils, where the speed of the travelling wave is relative to the difference between them.

I hope this helps.

Vidura

 

Vidura posted this 10 December 2019

Hello All!

a continuation of the investigation which was presented in the thread : "towards a more complete understanding of EM" , more tests about the unusual effects which have been observed in the "negative inductor circuit". I decided to continue  posting  in this thread, as the research was made in teamwork with YoElMiCrO, and you will see soon that there is also a relationship with the present topic of parametric oscillations. Here the Videos, there is more to come , I still have to do some editing.

 

Vidura

Vidura posted this 10 December 2019

Some more results from this serie of experiments will follow here. First some general information, the inductors used to perform this experiments are saturable inductors of course, and ideally the hysteresis figure should be quadratic, I have used a toroid from an EMI filter and a silicon steel core, which both would have this characteristics. here is the simplified schematic used in the last videos:

The diode in parallel with the inductor will assure a easy saturation of the core , as the magnetizing energy is returned by the BEMF and recycled thru the same core(less losses)

I have noticed that in a frequency sweep there are various resonant points, regarding the intensity of the observed current, and there is a fundamental frequency very low .I tried to make another video, but had difficulties to do so , so I made some shots of the interesting points:

At this frequency we have still a sawtooth waveform, in the moment of switching there appears a huge spike. when zooming in it looks like this:

in this image it can be observed how the current ramps up at T on and falls in a exponential curve AFTER the switch is off, then after around 20us the current falls very slowly almost in linear manner.

Vidura posted this 10 December 2019

When I decreased the frequency further, something unexpected appeared on the scope:

The sawtooth wave is changing in a sinusoidal shape, at this point would be a quarter wavelength .

In the next image we can see the form of a dampened sinewave of the current:

The pulse duration at the lowest frequency was around 20 - 30 us, the current drawing at 35mA@ 15V, and the 0.1 ohm shunt was getting slightly warm. I repeated the test with the iron core, a little bit longer pulses where required, and the frequency was slightly different, but the same effect and shape of the trace. 

I have observed some effects which occurred only on the measurement with the CT, it reacted very sensibly to the duty cycle, and eventually with short pulses the polarity reversed, the trace disappeared on the low side of the screen, and when the pulses became longer it changed to the positive side, in this direction following by the trace corresponding to the shunt resistor. Maybe I can make some video capture of this details later.

Vidura

 

Vidura posted this 13 December 2019

Hi All After doing some more testing I wanted to make clear that I am not convinced that there are actually currents like shown in the scope traces, there are many inconsistencies. I believe that the effect is an INDICATION for a specific condition in an Inductor, or on the environment, and there could be some interaction with the internal circuitry of the scope. Specially the dampened sinewave at 36 hz might be caused by a strong pulse making the high impedance input oscillante. I have made a test with a shunt of carbon resistors and could not detect this effect, like with the shunt of SS rod. The most sensitive device to detect was the CT, which shows the effect upto the 5v range y the scope. I still would not conclude anything, until have some comparison with another scope, and i will make some measurements with a hall sensor also. Regards Vidura.

We're Light Years Ahead!
Our Above Unity Machines:

Asymmetrical EMI

Wistiti's Bucking Joule Thief
Non-Inductive Coil Experiment
CD's Non-Inductive Coil Rep
Baerndorfer's Experiment
Captainloz's A-R-E
Aetherholic's COP>4.0

Resonant EMI

Yo's Ferro Resonance
Jagau's Non-linear Resonance
Ferrite at work
Recomended Protocol:
Measurement
Switching System
Measurement Block
Current Observation
Current Sensing Resolution
Members Online:

No one online at the moment

What is a Scalar:

In physics, scalars are physical quantities that are unaffected by changes to a vector space basis. Scalars are often accompanied by units of measurement, as in "10 cm". Examples of scalar quantities are mass, distance, charge, volume, time, speed, and the magnitude of physical vectors in general.

You need to forget the Non-Sense that some spout with out knowing the actual Definition of the word Scalar! Some people talk absolute Bull Sh*t!

The pressure P in the formula P = pgh, pgh is a scalar that tells you the amount of this squashing force per unit area in a fluid.

A Scalar, having both direction and magnitude, can be anything! The Magnetic Field, a Charge moving, yet some Numb Nuts think it means Magic Science!

Start Here:
Help with using the Forum.
Message from God:

Hello my children. This is Yahweh, the one true Lord. You have found creation's secret. Now share it peacefully with the world.

Ref: Message from God written inside the Human Genome

God be in my head, and in my thinking.

God be in my eyes, and in my looking.

God be in my mouth, and in my speaking.

Oh, God be in my heart, and in my understanding.

Your Support:

More than anything else, your contributions to this forum are most important! We are trying to actively get all visitors involved, but we do only have a few main contributors, which are very much appreciated! If you would like to see more pages with more detailed experiments and answers, perhaps a contribution of another type maybe possible:

PayPal De-Platformed me!

They REFUSE to tell me why!

We now use Wise!

Donate
Use E-Mail: Chris at aboveunity.com

The content I am sharing is not only unique, but is changing the world as we know it! Please Support Us!

Thank You So Much!

Browse by Category:
Weeks High Earners:
The great Nikola Tesla:

Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason. It has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who drives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians, and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static, our hopes are in vain; if kinetic - and this we know it is for certain - then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

Experiments With Alternate Currents Of High Potential And High Frequency (February 1892).

Close