Clemente Figuera

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Wistiti posted this 09 January 2018

 

 

Hi guys!

In the past I play a bit with the Figuera concept. It use the POC as we already know the potential. I think this guy, Marathonman, understand the principe behind the Figuera device...

Chris, if there already a tread about Clemente Figuera, feel free to move this at the good place!

 

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creasysee posted this 13 February 2019

Hi Marathonman and all!

I'm presenting a solid state version of part G (SSPG)! This is amazing! It works!!!

How it was made:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mw8DsWQT7kF1UKxP9

Special thanks to Marathonman.

Regards, creasysee. улыбка

Aetherholic posted this 27 June 2019

Cornboy

Part G wire 93 turns 2mm x 1mm rectangular enameled copper 2.5mm spacing.

Build sequence:

1. Support the core on 2 empty wire spools

2. Epoxy 2 3D printed wire guides one each side and wait 24 hours for cure.

3. Start to wind the core.

4 Finish the wind.

5. Coat the windings liberally with epoxy. use 2 1mm PTFE sheets and two aluminium plates and clamp as hard as possible.

Leave 2 days to cure.

6. Remove the clamps etc. and clean up.

7. CNC the surface 0.05mm at a time until all wires exposed.

8. Mount on the frame.

9.  Mount the Part G head and finish up the wiring.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 13 November 2018

You have to admit the sheer genius of Figuera that designed this device 110 years ago thus realizing the total lack of advancements or suppression of our Scientific and Physics community since then. if you ask me total greed has overtaken Corporate world to the point of a total control scenario.

using induced emf within the circuit (Self Inductance) to control current flow at a rate of efficiency in the upper high 90's is and will always be sheer genius. using an active inductor to control current flow, splitting the feed into two independent feeds using magnetic fields in total unison, forward biasing like a mag amp, storing and releasing potential at a specific time needed to offset the rising potential drop. then adding a portion of the output to replace the losses occurred and give rise to amplification to the rising primaries,   good god what a sheer genius Figuera was.

PS. i get an apartment of my own next week thus my lab/work bench will live again........ let the rebuilding of the Figuera device commence.

back in the saddle again.

Regards,

Marathonman 

Marathonman posted this 10 March 2019

While i have some free time i am working on the cheapest timing and switching that can switch the Figuera part G in a make before break scenario with the ends switched on twice as long. i will order from Mouser and test the circuit before i post it on line.

I found some IGBT's  that are being discontinued so the price is really fantastic and a driver for .86 cents. i will either use an up/down decade counter or just a regular decade counter. the up/down will require and Arduino or something similar but the regular decade counter just  a signal generation of some type.

there can also be other ways to switch as with a PNP with the use of a 300 volt opto-isolator to isolate the two sections of high and low signal.

i will also be investigating the infusion of the secondary feed back with electronics also that can be switched from the same signal of the positive brush electronics but will start at the opposite side of part G's positive side and end on the opposite side.

IE... positive electronic switching starts from left to right and the secondary feed back from right to left to mimic the brush rotation.

Regards,

Marathonman

mabberflouth posted this 17 March 2019

Hi,

    i have bean lookin at this figuera generater for a while and this is the best place i have seen talking serius about it. im gonna build one of these and i hope i can help on the way.

i am new here and want to say hi to everyone on this generater. i hope i can get grate results.

ave a good day

 

mabberflouth

   

JohnStone posted this 23 May 2019

Hi all,

Finally I arrived here where Figuera cause is still alive :-) Some of you contributors might know me from other threads. I was silent now for several years but now - after my retirement - I search for new shores and want to deal with Figuera implementation.

I am a trained electronics engineer. But I know very well, that my training coverd a small part of the reality only. So please understand that I will be mostly silent for now while reading the wealth of contributions and learning basics of figuera configuration in my lab.

Thank you all for your contributions that gave me a steep learning curve up to now. 

Rgds

John

Marathonman posted this 24 October 2018

I have a chance to get a 50 to 60 thousand a year job over the next week plus my own place. If anyone has prayed for anyone before please do so for me now at this time. My sanity and this device hangs in the balance.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 25 October 2018

Thank you very much, that really means a lot to me.

i have pounded the pavement every day for the last month contacting every agency i can think of.  i have 4 professional people helping me on my resume' before they see it Friday. plus i just attained a 500.00 home painting job for the owner of Door Vets.

i am sorry it is off topic but if it happens it will be balls to the wall for the Figuera device and all the readers and builders.

one way or another WE WILL SUCCEED ! My mission will help the worlds mission. the more that knows about the Figuera device the better human's life will be. 

regards,

Marathonman

romanta posted this 28 December 2018

Good day to all. In the old year I began a series of experiments on the topic of Figuera, at the moment what MM says is true. after I made the secondary coil half shorter, I got a much larger power output. I plan to cut the coil still, and see what happens, with the same input parameters of the primary coils.This is up to change.This is after the change.

romanta posted this 11 January 2019

in my free time I am engaged in preparing for the manufacture of a small device.

Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

Good news everyone I just got hired and start Friday, give me a few weeks and let the building begin.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 27 February 2019

The original replicator did mention that each half was to be calculated separately so your hypothesis has substantial merit.  when i build my next triplet i will investigate this.

Temple Transformer will not assemble my cores so i will have the arduous duty of assembling them myself which i have never done. well i will jump in with both feet because that is what we do.

I will have my cores in about two weeks primaries, secondaries and my C core part G.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Weird, i just took the battery out and let set for a while then took another pic and it worked but i still lost over 30 minutes of video in the process.

Below is brush holder on top of my new C core.

wire is coming which is square for less precision grinding.

Regards,

Marathonman

alohalaoha posted this 09 April 2019

I will no longer post trying to convince or instruct people on the Figuera device. there is to many people that seam to be convinced their way is the highway even after my bench proven facts that are provable and replicatable. i will only post my build status and nothing more. ask a certain question in a pm and i will answer otherwise i will not respond to a question in the forum. i am through with uneducated or rather non thread readers that think the Figuera device is what ever their mind wishes to be at that moment in time.

good luck is all i may render, you will need it and then some.

Regards,

Marathonman,

 

Common Marathonman, take it easy man. You have our support and attention. Don't drop now till the finish line. Many people wait further instructions from you. Don't give up. This is my personal message to you. But do as you will. This is a MATRIX world and everything is possible, because it's virtual. Virtual like XP or WIN7 on your computer.

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To all

This is very helpfull tool for Figuera buiders and many other researchers - Tiny Magnetic Poles indicator. Very usefull when expeimenting with coils.

From here:

https://acdc.foxylab.com/node/14

Hall sensor is from cheap computer cooler fan FS276 or VHE101B.

Pinout FS276 is same like VHE101B.

Pin1 = Vcc.

Pin2 = Collector of North Pole transistor - on sch. blue led.

Pin3 = Collector of South Pole transistor - on sch. red led.

Pin4 = Gnd.

That's all. Happy build.

Regards to all

Aloha

Marathonman posted this 15 April 2019

I am using Decade counters for my electronic switching part G. would like to use up and down decade but don't have time to study the circuit needed.

an curious if that is your primary shown.? forewarned that using solid cores for the secondary induces eddy currents and Hysteresis but would be fine for the primaries. Figuera used solid cores for his build but back then pure iron was much more available then now a days and much cheaper.  my complete set of 16 primaries and 8 secondaries ran me around 750 which to me is ok since it is top notch material being grain oriented also.

I am sorry for the ruff comments. after many, many years of explaining this device it seams very few actually try to confirm what i have presented on the bench.  benching is the only way to verify which is what i have done. it only take a few small tests on a small scale to verify all information presented.

hopefully i will resolve my jig issues during the week so i can assemble my cores this weekend. i am rigging up a tension system for my part G wire and will have it wound by this weekend.

Regards,

Marathonman

JohnStone posted this 23 May 2019

Hi Cornboy :-) Thank you for your warm welcome. Great you are active here! Looking forward for collective success.

Cornboy posted this 04 June 2019

 Hello All, finally got some time to play with my commutator, it is set up with Positive and negative feed back comm switch, and the feedback timing will be adjustable a full 180 degrees, just need to fit housing into a stand of some sort.

 Will be building 6 x coil triplets from modified audio crossover inductors with laminated cores for the inducers, and modified, shortened bobbins with as many offcuts from lams from the crossovers, that can fit, and then filling the air pockets with iron dust and epoxy.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

 

 

 

Cornboy posted this 28 June 2019

 Hi All, some shots of my mini coil setup.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Peter posted this 22 May 2018

Hi Marathonman and Aetherholic,

 

First of all, thank you both for your (brilliant) hard work, and the fact that you're willing to share all the info needed to build this wonderfull generator. remember, you are not alone in this quest.. I think that besides us, a lot of people are trying to build this device..

Please don't let them trolls get to you..keep sharing info, and i am sure together we can build this thing, no problem.

Right now i am also building my part G..  al be it on a somewhat smaller scale.. ( look at the size of your C-core Marathonman, that's impressive..and plenty overhead..) .

Can't wait to see how both your builds are coming along..

I'll try and post some pictures of my build a.s.a.p. in the mean time,best of luck to you both. Namaste

Greetings from the Netherlands.

Peter

Marathonman posted this 22 May 2018

Welcome Peter is is always a pleasure to have one aboard that is eager to join in. i have ample information i have posted from my research and bench work that i hope you took the liberty to access. i do like the idea of a wire alignment guide on the bottom of part G. uniformity of  magnetic fields is definitely a must in this device so it is not a bad idea. the positive brush is on slip rings and the secondary feedback is commutated allowing both brushes to remain their sign always. yes, the secondary is mandatory for continuous operation replacing losses and amplification to the rising side of the device.

one thing i have to say to ALL is i am sorry for my harsh posts in which i have deleted. i have some pressing issues from here and other sites plus personal issues at home that caused my judgement to slip thus my patience also and for that i am truly sorry.  i have tried to maintain a pleasant posting atmosphere all while dumping a boat load of information from my research and bench work so others can test and replicate but recent pressing issues seemed to be a little overloading at times. the recent Law suit i filed on my mechanic was the final overloading issue along with cash flow problems.

Aetherholic;

 Thanks for the vote of confidence and the assessment of both brushes was very well said.

there are a lot of people out there that seems to think part G can be eliminated which basically boils down to a misunderstanding of just what part G does and how important it actually is.

part G spits the feed into two, forward biases like a mag amp, reduce and raises the currant on a continuous basis through self induction (C-EMF),  keeping them separate with north opposing fields,  stores and releases potential to either off set the rising side or stores the potential for the next half cycle along with the storing and released potential of the primary electromagnets then uses the secondary output to replace losses and amplification . all this happens inside of part G which will become the power supply once the starting is removed.

so all i can say is try that without part G and tell me how that goes.

PS. Eindhoven is a beautiful city especially at night.

WOW ! 10,000 views hit today.

Thank you all and THANK YOU CHRIS

Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 01 June 2018

Marathonman

I have been busy with Part G 2.0

I finally got it working after re doing the main shaft twice due to CNC errors.

Here are some build pics:

Main 2 part shaft and bearings.

Base Plate.

Torroid supprt plate with 3 point adjusters.

Finished assembly

At speed.

The brush holders are no spring, centrifugal pressure, linear array needle roller bearings on the outside face to provide a zero friction surface for the brush.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Peter posted this 16 October 2018

Cornboy..

 

That's some build you've got there..  very nice indeed.

 

Aetherholic.

 

I chopped up the 130cm bar in pieces of 9 cm, then fired up the old Oxy- Acetylene torch, and heated them all up until they where REDHOT      after that, i let them slowly cool down to roomtemperature.  took about 10 minutes per core to get them that hot. 

This will remove any stress within the iron core, and make it less hard..(better magnet i think)

I will leave one core un-annealed, so i can compare the magnetic field strenght's, with the same coil setup later.

Next i will be sanding and coating them to prevent oxidation.

 

Kind Regards, keep on building...

Namaste

Peter Holweg

 

 

Aetherholic posted this 16 October 2018

Peter

Great, the annealed / un-annealed comparison will be of interest to all I think and quite valuable information.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 16 October 2018

Cornboy;

" but i couldn't get out of my mind Clemente's words" Resistance Pieces ", and the description of his Commutator as if it were separate from Part R the resistance."

That would be a big NO. Figuera was talking about the individual loops on the part G core that is a CLOSED CORE. any open core will NOT provide the necessary magnetic feed back to the system and losses will be through the roof thus self sustaining will not happen.

I know you have been through a lot building your system but quite frankly it has to be closed core or nothing remotely to self sustainment will take place.

a closed core is a must in this system but it doesn't matter what type of closed core you have as long as it is closed core. Aetherholic's core is functioning great as is my prelims on my C core so i already know it will work great.

why in the world would you need resistance when SELF INDUCTANCE (Magnetic flux) controls the current flow and resistance is unrecoverable losses that should be avoided. this is why part G has thicker wire as to avoid undue losses from resistance thus raising the efficiency into the upper high 90's.

"My Part G is another story, huge power generation from the CIC core so I think you will see some surprising results with your C core when you build it"

I totally agree as all prelims in small scale proved this to be so.

" Wow silence is golden!!

 If you posted this on EF you would have an endless barrage of silly questions, and multiple Demands that you show proof."

BS, you would of been eaten alive from the wolf trolls and belittled like no tomorrow. why do you think i came here, to share with everyone in a relaxed environment.

welcome to the haven and thank you Chris for a job well done.

Together we can change the world.

regards,

Marathonman

Vidura posted this 25 October 2018

MM. I will also pray for you and whish youbthe very best. Sometimes we go thru struggles and difficulty, but then the good times comes. Also I want you to know that I have learnd many things from you, and appreciate your sharing. Regards Vidura.

Marathonman posted this 29 October 2018

Good news is the guy that did the tooling on the brush holder called and said come pick it up...... as in freebe.

that means i will restart with my part G C core and my custom brush holder so all is not lost.

Regards,

Marathonman

romanta posted this 29 December 2018

I also want to conduct an experiment using a copper washer at the end of the solenoid. As is known from old sources, a short-circuited turn of the wire at the end of the solenoid does not allow the magnetic field of the FAST core to leave the core. What will come of this, I will know only after the experiments in the new year of January 9th. because my lab will be unavailable.

Do not understand this as a deviation from the original Figuera device, I just want to make the device more economical in its work.

romanta posted this 16 January 2019

I greet you on this thread of the forum.
I made 6 primary coils and 2 of which I connected a push pool to the generator.
"important note" !!!! never use a switch on transistors to power such coils on a full iron core, this will lead you to the likelihood of fire due to overheating of the core !!!
The winding of the primary coils was 4 layers of 37 turns of wire of 1 mm diameter.
The magnetic field created by this coil with a core, in my opinion, is not strong enough for good operation of the device. I will add 2 more layers of winding. The current supply device of one triad 14 volts and 3 amps. I proceed to the manufacture of secondary coils and reactor G.

 

Marathonman posted this 18 January 2019

Exactly Zanzal,, the primaries are only reduced to get the seeping action across the entire secondary then back to full potential. This creates two electric fields superimposed over the top of each other along with the other reasons i had mentioned for the reduction of the primaries. If the primaries are taken down to far induction will fail as the coherency between the primaries is lost.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

On a very good note i have figured out how to switch part G with electronics exactly mimicking the brush rotation to a T but the amazing part is that will include the negative brush from the secondary feed back. Each start of the sigal run will be at opposite ends of the inductor but will be switched by the same signal generator at 60 or 50 cycles a second.

I will be discussing this with other members first before i present this proposal. This will make the Figuera device totally non moving but with the added expenses of electronics.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 23 January 2019

Alset;

 

  The secondary loop back is and was the last piece of the puzzle to be solved. in the patent Figuera states a brush or group of brushes and sense part G becomes the power supply when the starting is removed then the secondary must be injected into part G.

with a second brush the secondary feed back can be ran through a commutator thus the positive side can be connected to the positive brush and the negative side can be attached to the second brush adding additional flux to the reducing primaries and the reducing side of part G thus giving the rising primaries an added boost at it's peak to replace the 30 % reducing primaries to get the sweeping action across the secondary.

the reducing side of the device will release it's reduced magnetic field into the system to off set the potential drop of the rising side of the system and the secondary is there to replace looses occurred and to give rise to amplification to the rising primaries.

if you are in the replication process please build your primaries no less then a 2 to 1 ratio at minimum that was the magnetic fields of the primaries can hit the needed pressure for the output.

The electronic switching i came up with will in fact mimic both brushes switching in opposite direction from the same signal generator on top of the inductor. the Figuera device CAN NOT OPERATE without the inductor so without it no self operation will exist.

Thank you very much. i have taken one hell of a beating in the last year but Marathonman is one hell of a trouper and will bounce back stronger then EVER !

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 14 February 2019

creasysee:

  How dare you even doubt me. ha, ha, ha, ha !

Congrats on the electronic part G and a wonderful build and attention to detail. you are most welcome my friend,  so many people doubted me for so long because they were totally stuck on stupid but along comes someone like your self that is open to new horizons just split the Figuera log in two thus making all the crap i took for sooooo long totally all worth it.

I do have to ask are you using PNP's or NPN's with drivers.?   my electronic design was with small NPN's switching big PNP's that can be driven by all sorts of things. but we all know i am with mechanical at this time.

isn't it amazing that inductance can control current flow. just switching the winding count within the time constant of the circuit causing a current reduction. this is the very reason i share with people, to share what i have learned in hope we can change this F up cesspoll we call living being constantly controlled by some greedy ass wipe. 

just a word to the wise, the end channels on both ends must be on longer than the one's in between them to get the inductive decay roll off to mimic the AC wave exactly.

PS. "R" does not exist, it is part G's magnetic resistance (Inductance) drawn in it's elementary form to facilitate the comprehension of the device. R is part G and part G is R,  they are one and the same, Inductance.

CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE IN LEARNING AND BUILDING.!

Regards,

Marathonman

Chris posted this 23 February 2019

Yep, Trolls are Not Very Smart:

 

Almost 13 weeks and nearly 20,000 views, the globe is pretty red now! The Trolls still visit us, they just know they have Zero chance of staying alive here! It appears the entire Internet has waited for a safe secure place to plan their work flow!

The other forums are dead, all chatter is the same chatter they were messing around with 10 years ago! Old news for all here!

Go MM, keep up the good momentum! Many visit to see your progress! All others here also!

   Chris

Ourbobby posted this 20 March 2019

Hello, 

 This is my first post here. I have been following Figueras around the forums for a couple of years. Follow the information! I am collecting components for a digital build. I have just  collected a toroid - or a piece of steel bar with a hole in it! The dimensions are diameter 180mm, inner diameter 88mm, height 58mm. Next move on this is to decarbonise it in my small kiln. Then wind a Part G+R. I am a little worried that I might have too much iron here. Well I'll suck it and see.

Regards

Ourbobby

alfizik posted this 20 March 2019

Hi guys!
I read this forum with great interest! Many thanks to Chris for ordering this resource!
I am very interested in the prospect of recreating the Figuero device.
Thank you Marathonman for the leading role and a lot of useful information and tips!
I will try to post a photo of what I have worked out lately.

Marathonman posted this 04 April 2019

Many, Many thanks !. i am so tired i can't think straight. finally received my IGBT's..... ALL of them. at $1.95 average price for 405 WATT monsters i couldn't go wrong. my electronic test board will be in next week and also my reorder of epoxy came in safe and sound this time. pic bellow of the beasties !

will start assembling cores this week end and bobbins if i can hold my eyes open long enough.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 15 April 2019

Didn't get a lot done today. assembled table top drill press and drilled aluminum plates for mounting of part G's core and of the motor mount to plates. can't believe i found the motor screws at the hardware store. glued half round on part G's core face and sanded, cut aluminum 3/8 " threaded rod to 1 foot lengths with washers and lock nuts.

My jigs were a total flop because of the weld that worked it's way into the inside of the jig. spent all day with Dremel tool trying to rid the weld to no avail. ruined every bit trying to grind it. Dremel sucks and is putting out crap on the market. i need to figure out how to remove the weld on the inside of the jig before i can assemble the lamination's.

Picked up more ecofy cloth for the bobbins as well as a ton of tools, clamps and such. the sanding disc i purchased is 8,000 rpm rated so that is good at 3100 rpm of the drill press.

Below is an 80 dollar table top drill press that worked well beyond my expectation and then some and some build progress.

Regards,

Marathonman

Chris posted this 06 May 2019

@All Readers, I agree with Marathonman!

Well summed up and nicely put Marathonman!

Much information is shared here and resources on my website. hyiq.org.

   Chris

Aetherholic posted this 06 May 2019

Also everyone should read the results of the experiments that have already been done and published on this thread. All the answers are there to be interpreted and used in further development, both success and failure. I have so far built 2 different working part G's and built a full array of coils and published some results. When Marathonman finishes his part G there will be 3 different versions of Part G working. Build upon what has already been done.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

JohnStone posted this 11 June 2019

Want to share some knowledge regarding chokes.

Normally the core at chokes has a tiny air gap in order to get a linear behaviour. This is essential for audio circuits. On other hand for power supplies a linear behaviour is not important. So we can use an old trick.

Grab a transormer and short circuit the high voltage winding. Use the low voltage winding as choke. You will be amazed how sturdy this pet can be. Most sturdy will be a MOT. Amazingly this short circuit does not behave like so. It just allows the magnetic flux to continue as long it feels to be necessary.

In old times when they still had that POTS (plain old telephone) system they had special relays with considerable delayed reaction. The only trick used was to cover the winding with a sleeve of copper. 

Please study the notions of Chris regarding short circuited windings in his setups. Look up Utkin's paper for same reason.

In part G we might have similar ingredients. The contact - make before brake - enables constantly one shorted winding traveling round the core. One effect is that the current will never be interupted totally and the flux can make use of one shorted winding in order to continue - hence less overvoltage at the contacts.
I am not sure if this ingredient has further effects but it might have. Food for thoughts for all of us.

Vasile posted this 01 July 2019

I can relate to what you are saying, sure there are a lot twisted things in this world as you have enumerated some of them. I too have tryed to change things around me, mainly people. But it didn't went that well and the reason I haven't succeded is because of me. I didn't do it right. That I can tell you with 100% certainty.

You see, aside the bad things in life there are also the good ones, like the laws that govern nature in general. Think about the beauty of a plant, the consistency of the suns movement or simply the fact of being alive, being conscious. So if things are the way they are, is most probably due to a main cause. Most of the people in this world are like ships without guidence and they go where the general stream of water takes them. If you don't like where the general stream of water goes, then do something about it. If you look back in history, it was always the power of small groups of people and there ideas that produced the most radical changes in the world.

All the best,

Vasile

 

Aetherholic posted this 12 May 2018

Some more progress information.

Here is a not too good quality scope pic of the part G outputs N and S at low speed (yellow and blue).

So here is confirmation of the dual sine waves.

I can also confirm that there is huge energy stored in part G as if the brushes lift there is a very big negative spike despite running with magnet wound coils so the inductive collapse is mostly the energy in the torroid.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 03 September 2018

Here is a drawing of what my part G is going to look like when i am finished with it. i was going to have aluminum rod like in the pic 4 days ago like the part i found online but it is cheaper to go the threaded rod rout. the center section is for the bearing support to take all the pressure off of the motor shaft coupling. maybe at a later date i will change to the aluminum rod for looks.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 29 September 2018

yes i agree the self achievement is in a class all it's own. there are a lot of people that cut themselves short in this area staying well within their comfort zone. i on the other hand like to go way out of my comfort zone accomplishing what ever i set my mind to and sharing what i have learned  to others.

I don't have the simulator so i just settled with an adjustable brush holder to accomplish the same thing thus i can use the brush holder with what ever primary to secondary ratio i have at hand all with a slight adjustment.

3.9 is a very good start as the original replicator has about that radius. things are shaping up on my end so i expect to be back in the saddle by the end of next week.

May the Figuera be with you.

Regards,

Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 08 October 2018

So trolls and "debunkers" have a use after all!!!!.

One thing I would like to report at this stage is that my part G core as built is overunity without any feedback. The COP is between 1.2 and 2.33 depending upon load conditions. If anyone wants to debunk that then build one for yourself. It took great effort to build it so the same effort is required to debunk it. In operation its characteristics are a rectifier+magamp+battery+AC modulator+amplifier.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Aetherholic posted this 15 October 2018

Update

I now have 440W of excess power in the system.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 16 October 2018

Hi Everyone, this seems like a good place to share my latest Figuera build.

 I have tried remote commutation on toroid part G, and direct commutation on wound toroid G.

 I  made a 96 segment commutator to go with my 96 wind toroid G hoping to smooth out the signal the primaries received and was about to spend countless hours soldering the 96 heavy contacts to toroid windings, when i decided to have a break and re cap on the patent.

 I re read the patent over and over, and of course MM is right about magnetic induction controls the current, i am sure of that, but i couldn't get out of my mind Clemente's words" Resistance Pieces ", and the description of his Commutator as if it were seperate from Part R the resistance.

 So i made my version of resistor Bars with 54 x 1.6mm copper coated mild steel welding rods for magnetic cores.

 The total array has only 4 ohms dc resistance.

Am in the process of making new Triplets like Aetherholic's setup but smaller, and a new internal ring commutator.

 Any questions are welcome.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 

 

Marathonman posted this 02 November 2018

Working on transportation to pick up the brush holder this week end. i will take a pic and post when i get time.

Regards,

Marathonman

maarmuis posted this 03 November 2018

Thank you all and MM for all this info.

Years ago I attempted to build with resistor banks but soon discovered I was wasting my time.

With this new info from MM (makes perfect sense to me) as soon as finance allow, I will dust of the old toolbox again.

Thanx Again, cant wait to start!

Regards,

Maarmuis

PS. MM hope pray things turn out better for you.

maarmuis posted this 13 November 2018

Welcome back MM.laughing

Aetherholic posted this 26 November 2018

The annealing process worked so now I am rebuilding everything.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 28 December 2018

 Hi Romanta, thanks for posting your results here and Welcome.

 If you don't mind me asking how do you switch your drive coils, and what do you use for resistance in your circuit?.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Marathonman posted this 31 December 2018

YES ! you heard me right, the Figuera device is a DUEL MONO POLE EXCITATION SYSTEM that does not utilize both poles as does a standard generator to attain the high intensity field. it uses two mono poles to compress the field lines to that of a standard generator then increases one and reduces the other to create not only the Electric fields in the same direction but to also induce motion into the secondary.

I am purchasing the chart boards tomorrow for the video i am in the midst of making explaining the Inverse Square Law in full and why it is directly applicable to the Figuera device.

Use the 2 to 1 ratio and watch the oyster open up.

Happy new year.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 07 January 2019

Alset;

  The force of 1000 turns will be much higher then that of 100 turns but it still reduces by the square of the distance. a three inch core with 1000 winds will project at most when saturated to 3.2 to 3.3 inches which is still not enough pressure at 3 inches to amount to squat output. Now increase the core length to 6 inches and watch the output go through the roof, thus your oyster will open.

Regards,

Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 15 January 2019

alset,

There has been some discussion before about a solid state solution and i have yet to see a design that can perform the same as a brush version, you would need a mosfet for every turn that the brush would normally be in contact with  to do it correctly. My part G has 93 turns.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 09 February 2019

 Hi All, finally had some time to work on my new rotary internal commutator, next onto building 5x sets of triplets.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Wow Creasysee, that's great work. will look forward to seeing how it drives the inducers.

 Warm Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Marathonman posted this 14 February 2019

creasysee;

  When you finish your prototype you know you have to use a more robust IGBT then the one you are using now for the final build like in the 300 plus watt range.  the one you have now is only 56 watt which is of course good for a prototype.

again congrat's !

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 15 February 2019

ALWAYS !  humanity comes first in my book. that is why i open source everything i know.

Thank you,

now lets build this sucker together and change humanity as we know it !   i will supply the coffee and donuts imported from Barcelona Spain of course....Figuera style.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 23 February 2019

I was just quoted price on some cores from Temple Transformer i just can't refuse..... omg i will be the proud owner of 14   2.25 " x 2.25" x 6 "  and 7  2.25" X 2.25' x 3 " in less than two weeks.

you guys can not believe how awesome i feel right now as i almost pissed on myself getting this news. sorry Chris i am just elated at this prospect  of getting back in the saddle again.

I was expecting  a royal rear end but lord knows it was a very sane proposition that i can jump on.

finally we shale prevail over the low down  trolls that oppose us and thank you to those who listen to reason not fantasy.

Hyiq will change the world as we know it.

Thank you Wistiti for recommending  a site i could share my knowledge freely.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 26 February 2019

If you were to tap the last mosfet to the left and the end that will give you the peak of set N  then disconnect the end leaving the tap at the last mosfet then connect to set S end and that will give you your lows. or you can tap just one loop and calculate from that your desired output.

940 is awfully high indeed, i am looking for 100 to 150 XL in my system ruffly. remember one needs not to go past the 50 % reduction mark or induction will be lost and the output will suffer drastically from the lack of magnetic field line compression. remember we are using two mono poles to compress the field lines to match that of a standard generator N and S high intensity field.

6.28 X 50 X .3 = 94.2 ohms  300 v divided by 94.2 = 3.185 amps peak primary.

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 26 February 2019

I found this in another forum (EF , posted in february 2017). You should balance the impedance of your electromagnets and regulator in order to get a proper ratio of maximum and minimun current.

 

Ohms Law:

Voltage = Z_electromagnets · I_max

Voltage = (Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets)· I_min

 

If Z_regulator =     Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 2

If Z_regulator = 2· Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 3

If Z_regulator = 4· Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 5

 

In some equations for inductance of a toroid, the inductance is proportional to the number of active turns squared , N^2   ( L_toroid ~ N^2 )

 

Hope to help! Electronics is the way to go!!

Marathonman posted this 26 February 2019

I understand what you are saying and yes it does make sense but implimenting that may be a problem as part G is a single layer 50 to 100 turn inductor and the primaries are 600 to 800 turn coil which will not be easy to attain matching impedance . maybe the way i am winding will be easier to match which is up and back,  4 in parallel with a total of 8 layers.

Cornboy;

Peter's vacuume cleaner approach seems  to fit your bill with a much sturdier housing.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 02 March 2019

 Hi All, finished machining Comm 3, now on to brush holder and end caps.

 

 

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Marathonman posted this 03 March 2019

It turned our really nice Cornboy so now comes the core issue. what is your plan of attack on that.?

Great work.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 03 March 2019

 Hey MM, i do have a toroid already wound, but i will still be testing my inductive resister pieces.

 My main concern at the moment is the electro magnets, copper coated welding rods are not viable for me, so looking into other ways.

 Have been thinking lot's about slitting small laminated toroids to use all fields produced by inducers, what do you guys think??.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Marathonman posted this 03 March 2019

Cornboy:

  As you already know i dabbled at the thought as did UFOP but was committed to the straight core design so i went no further.

my only concern was the collision points no being equal as the inner part of the toroid has a much shorter magnetic path then does the outer therefore colliding much sooner.  the other concern is does the South field compress the field lines like that of the radiating north field. i never got to that fork in my research so i left it a lone  my immediate gut felling is no but then again the Figuera device is like no other.

edit; the magnetic field will have to travel farther on the outside thus be weaker on the outside vs the inside which has a shorter path thus more intense. ?

PS. those who are following the electronic switching of part G needs to realize the end contacts where the peak of the primaries are at their highest and lowest needs to be on two to three times as long to get the inductive roll off to exactly mimic the AC sine wave of present household utility delivery. not if you are to rectify then use it as a DC supply.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 09 March 2019

OMG! dealing with Temple is like discussing Physics with 5 year olds. very unprofessional with total lack of fore knowledge . after two weeks of miserable correspondence i finally got a due date of the 20th. my part G C Core will be in next week.

if you have any other moronic supplier of lamination material please do it other than Temple.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 21 March 2019

Cornboy;

   I am referring to the continuous wind of the original replicator . each half essentially separate but together which caused a balancing issue. when you are on EF you were advised on this issue and for sure on this site. when a continuous  wind is used it causes paralelled inductance which causes balancing issues.

when a C core or others are used they are not prone to balancing issues.

Regards,

Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 21 March 2019

Marathonman

I am still here although I got side tracked with other issues which has taken up more time than intended. I don't have any further progress to report yet other than I will be concentrating on the coil triplets and the magnetic and electrical field interactions as I am happy with the part G performance. As soon as I have some more data or progress I will post it.

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alfizik posted this 21 March 2019

Marathonman !

Yes, I have been working only on the electronic version from the very beginning, because it is too difficult to work with mechanics in my conditions and in an era when it is easier to buy a whole processor than to machine a small little wheel on a machine.
In general terms, I imagine how the Figuera device should work. And I understand that the energy of the magnetic field is pumped back and forth with each flowing over it in a system of two solenoids, filling in the increasing winding section of part G, following the receding brush, and vice versa, returning to the solenoid when the brush runs to the end of winding. I translated all the posts of this thread and read. (True, the translation is not very good, the machine translator does not know slang and sometimes funny words are obtained, sometimes just incomprehensible phrases.) But complete understanding will come gradually as the device becomes practically implemented, in steps, in steps. And then a great hope for you and Aetherholic.
Until I got acquainted with this forum, I did not know that part of G is not a chain of resistors at all. And last year I spent several months on these resistor circuits in several versions.
I fully share your views on this world. We need to rid it of oil and gas stink and other dirt.

Successes to all of us!

P.S. on photo one new solenoid in work. 

Marathonman posted this 23 March 2019

Picked up some really awesome IGBT's for an amazing price. these NGTB40N65IHTG's from Mouser are 400 watt beasts at a measly 1.96 each plus i found a high side driver for .86 cents each also at Mouser. i am just getting ready for when i do walk on the electronic side i will be ready. also designing a demo timing board with DipTrace to work out any bugs that may arise.

in the mean time my jigs for my cores are almost done at work so i will be assembling them soon using the jig and a C clamp to compress the lamination's along with my order for epoxy at 3300 psi with 3 hour work window and cure in 24.  i will be getting the bobbin material to construct them this week end.

here is a shot of my cores before epoxy. i just realized i had to pay for extra lamination because they only did in lots of a certain amount so i ended up with 16 Primaries and 8 secondaries.

Regards.

Marathonman

alohalaoha posted this 03 April 2019

Hey Marathonman !

Good to hear you are OK !!

Yes, already presented diagram is a simplified electronic variant of Figuera BTG. It is 95% same as Floyd Sweet VTA device. Same principles rule here. And not only in Floyd device but in almost all working coil shortings configurations including old Tesla patent. I have no mechanical workshop to try build full mechanical variant of Figuera device like you and many good builders here had. So i am concentrating on electronic version. I am looking to find a way for G-part shorting/unshorting but not using ordinary bipolar, mosfets and igbt transistors.

Why?

1st i need as many transistors as have original Figuera G-part number of windings, 2nd, need very high power transistors which are not cheap, especialy SiC fets, and 3rd need very high speed switching off because output power of Figuera device is directgly related to switching (shorting/unshorting) speed, initial magnetic field in G-part core, wire lenght of shorting coil, magnetic field strenght of two primaries and cycling shorting frequency. Real source of power in Figuera device is not a device ownself but powerfull Aetheric wave due to compression and decompression cycle of two magnetic fields primaries. G-part act like compressed/decompressed Aetheric spring which directly excite Ateric realms and as result of such act we get directly injected Aetheric respoonse in a form of powerfull Aetheric wawe, which is pure energetic in essence, whatever we would call him: motional electric field, scalar field, torsion field, cohherent quantum field, longitudinal magnetic field or whatever else. That pure energy wave come form higher Aetheric dimmesnions, and it's direction is always perpendicular to it's exciters components like electric and magnetic field.

I have not anything to add, what was needed was already said in your topic and in the Chris forum.

As in Russia said: All "new" is long time forgotten "old". So generaly speaking we have not discovered a "bicycle". Many smart heads before us were had done this long time ago.

................

ps:I never make a jokes with a people having full working hands at job, whatever it is, especialy to those who has mount own heart, blood and tears in his creation, so i was not being sarcatist at all.

Best regards

Aloha

creasysee posted this 09 April 2019

Hi all!

Sorry, I don't have time for experiments and reports now, but I need to say a couple of things.

1) you need to know that I got a maximum of output when the keys overlap was approx 0.45. The attached image explains how it looks. When the overlap is zero, the output less in few times. When overlap is 0.5 or more the output decreases.

overlap

2) I tried to use a sine wave and you need to know that edge keys will be open longer than in the center, so they will get very hot and you need to use heat-sinks for them. I have broken keys already and you need to remember this.

Good luck and good figuering!

Regards, creasysee smile

Marathonman posted this 10 April 2019

My conviction stands.

the next video is after my old camera died will be my part G in action with lights..

next is two triplets in action.

third is all triplets in action.

part G 10 aug square wire is here Friday will build Saturday night as i do work 6 days a week. video will be 100 volt 1 amp lights in action being swept 180 out.

Regards

Marathonman

Peter posted this 10 April 2019

Hi Marathonman, 

Although i do understand your frustration with some comments, i really hope you stick around.

There are a lot of people with their hearts on the right spot here. Never mind the trolls..

My build is coming along rather slowly.. and i will try to post some more pictures later.

Like said, hope you're still here when i am testing this baby, after all YOU'RE THE MAN    

 

Kind regards, 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Vasile posted this 18 April 2019

Actually they are not 90 degrees out, they are 180  degrees out. when one is rising the other is falling.

see graph below, one rising, one falling, never below half way and never to zero or induction will fail.

Regards,

Marathonman

Hello again,

I get it now. The reason I thought that the primary waveforms where 90 degrees out of phase was because I was judging them as being AC, when in reality they are DC because they remain on one side of the zero plane and never pass it. So you are right in saying they are 180 degrees out of phase. From my calculations, in the secondary, you will have two waveforms that overlap one another and are in phase with each other. Now... the interesting part is that the primary currents do not affect each other, (because as one increases the other one decreases, maintaing the Max and Min limits) but in the secondary, the two induced waveforms combine. This is in my opinion the most important thing, this is why the ''amplification'' happens. It is like having 2 men working to lift the same weight, each of them can lift only 1 pound, but combined instead of lifting 2 pounds they lift 4 pounds. Something like that. At least this is how I see it.

All the best,

Vasile

 

Aetherholic posted this 24 April 2019

The one thing that is 100% certain is that part g built correctly using a brush, works perfectly and runs cold. The last experiment I did when trying to find the part g limits had 30A average current at 60VDC to the brush for 20 minutes. The measured power loss was 6W and the core and wire were cold. Of course the current and voltage coming out of part G was much higher as you would expect from a magnetic amplifier...........

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

creasysee posted this 02 May 2019

.the creaseysee progrm loads but will not run.

Hi @Ourbobby, describe more details in PM, please, I'll assist you and we will resolve the issue.

Regards, creasysee

Dadrev posted this 02 May 2019

Greatings for all. Sorry my English. Soy español 😉 Thanks for your messages, especially to marathonman and yours post. I''m starting with my Figuera device.

Saludos...

Chris posted this 06 May 2019

I also agree with Aetherholic!

This forum contains so much information! Its laid out in a fashion that is easy to follow.

This forum also has perhaps the best support personal ever situated in one place!

All ready, some not yet open to the public, Successes have already been reported. So some here are very knowledgeable, very qualified to help others!

   Chris

Aetherholic posted this 08 May 2019

Marathonman

Yes, absolutely correct. The electronic switching needs to mimic exactly the sinusoidal movement, brush contact area dimensions and the contact with the windings so the number of devices that are 'on' will also vary during one cycle due to brush and winding geometry to create the same contact area as the mechanical version. In my case, at mid point there are more windings in contact with the brush than at the end points which changes the separation window between the inductances during the cycle.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 23 May 2019

 Welcome John Stone, great to have you here old friend, your electronics experience will be very handy for a digital version of the device, i am sure you will be able to help.

 Please read right through the thread, as there is invaluable info here.

 

 Welcome aboard John. 

 

 Warmest Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 05 June 2019

 Smooth as silk MM, good job.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 14 June 2019

 Hi All, a small success with my new Commutator, still loosing contact, will run it for a few hours to seat the brushes and then see.

 

 

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 15 June 2019

 Hey All, this almost feels like cheating, compared to you MM, it is a very easy and cheap option for anyone for testing on a lot of projects.

 Off the shelf audio inductors, for around $12.00 AU each, including cores.

 When i asked my au supplier can you move the coil along the core he tried and said definitely not, so i ordered one and found a way without any damage, then ordered 12.

 I am saving the left over cores after cutting them, to place in the centers of the secondaries, which are a loose fit, and then filling them with a mixture of iron dust and epoxy, to make filled cores.

 All the Best  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 24 June 2019

 Nice work Peter, great to see you at it again.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile 

Dadrev posted this 27 June 2019

@ Aetherholic

A nice job!!

Seven groups of inductor-induced in honeycomb. A super professional job!

Dadrev

Saludos...

Zanzal posted this 11 January 2018

i am a man of my word and live by my word and you people will get the information in my head if it kills me or they kill me first.

No worries man. As of this year (((they))) don't have the influence they once had. Also I don't think they kill people for knowing about FE or how to build FE devices. Though I am fairly certain they killed people who tried to upset the balance or status quo or who had invented something truly special. Unless you are manufacturing anti-matter in your basement or trying to put a FE device in every home/car you don't have anything to be concerned about IMO.

Chris posted this 11 January 2018

As of this year (((they))) don't have the influence they once had

World Wide Eutrophic Smack Down of Evil - I am totally tickled about this! (((they))) have been reaped and this time the Grim Reaper is shinning light for all!

Team Q

   Chris

Zanzal posted this 11 January 2018

Good info here, definitely convinced me to give this one a try. For a small prototype what is the recommended construction recipe here. I understand the coils all need to have a soft iron core (which is difficult and somewhat expensive to source). Can anyone recommend based on experience:

1. minimum number coil sets (7 shown in the patent, can it be done with 1 set, 2 sets, etc?)

2. minimum/maximum dimensions for soft iron cores for N/S coils and also for pickup? 

3. wiring gauges for wiring for both the N/S coils and also pickup?

Just looking for basic replication starting point, not for use necessarily on a practical scale. 

 

Wistiti posted this 13 January 2018

Hey MM, it is a pleasure to have you here with us!


I want to start with a welcome to finally a forum where people can freely share their building experiment without the fear of being challenged by bad mind people...

Here people are free to experiment with the bucking coil ,POC, technique (cause we already know it work) or any other approach they want. 

The main idea here is to build, learn and share together.


With that say, please do not be upset if the “mass” do not replicate what you are sharing.... This “mass” builders is not so high in number and some share their experiment and some other prefer to not... That the way it goes and it is ok like that.

Anyway, everyone learn and progress at their convinience...

Again I’m happy to have you here sharing!

Zanzal posted this 17 January 2018

WOW ! i just laid out so much info to the figuera device and all you can say is is a comment about something i completely forgot that was on that graph about a book that is basically a complete lie in the first place twisted by man to suit his own needs as a tool of control.

it seems i might be in the wrong place to present the Figuera device and need to reassess my reasons for being here .

Marathonman

Greetings Marathonman,

Yes, I appreciate your sharing and being here. I have a religious obligation to combat heresy just as I have an obligation not to lie or to steal or to harm other people. We have to be true to our beliefs. Feel free to express yourself in any way you see fit, I shall do the same and with much politeness if at all possible.

norman6538 posted this 07 February 2018

I did Marathonman's Test 1 and got very little current and the same for test 2. I suspect some coil/magnet geometry problems and will increase the repelling magnets gap to 1/2 in from 1/8 so it will be about the same as the coil width so the same pole is approaching the coil and also leaving the coil out the other side.  I will be pushing the magnets through the coil hole so its more like the Figuera configuration instead of pushing the past the cored coil. I use black silicone seal to hold the magnets and that takes a good 12 hrs to hold. Hot glue will not hold the repelling magnets. I am using 3/4 ceramic magnets.

 

Anybody else get some better results?

 

I tested the wider gap between repelling magnets and did not get a greater current.

Now what?

 

Norman

norman6538 posted this 07 February 2018

Could you describe the physical movement that you used for the test. Most people pass a magnet over one of the core ends...And when you do that you will get one voltage polarity as they approach each other and another when they leave each other. But I chose to pass my magnet through the coil and you get the same voltage polarity approaching and leaving as in passing the core.

Mechanically going through the coil does not make a generator. Were it not for my such experiments I would not understand this at all.

Now picture a magnet being flipped so that N goes in and gets flipped so that N also comes out which means the coil voltage polarity does not get flipped....Figuera did that so that he got the same polarity  approaching and leaving instead of switched polarity. But I am not sure about the current doubling. My test will show that when the glue dries over night.

Norman

 

 

 

Norman

Aetherholic posted this 05 May 2018

Here goes with some more info and another pic.

This is my part G waiting final mechanical tweaking and wiring. Marathonman, yes I have holes through the slip rings for the commutator wiring. This build uses some 3D printed ABS parts so that I can adjust if needed. I am using a 4000rpm 24V DC motor with pwm controller at this stage. It takes 1.5A or less to turn the Part G and yes I have spun it up to 4000 without a problem, so I expect the 36 watts of loss to be inconsequential in this system.

The brush disc is 5mm Aluminium alloy. The brushes are 12X25 custom made with double wires as I have no idea yet what current can be produced. Theory is one thing, experiment is another as we all know.

This build was made fully adjustable so I don't expect it to last a long time, enough to be able to produce the full system. Then re design it based upon that experience.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Attached Files

Aetherholic posted this 12 May 2018

An experiment on the coil triplet setup for those who have not done it yet.

Setup: two channel signal generator, channels phase locked 180 degrees out of phase, DC offset with 700mV 50Hz sine wave. Each channel connected directly to the gate of an IRF450 mosfet driving a magnet wound coil on the low side. High sides of both coils connected to DC. Both drive coils either side of an output coil as Figuera. The output coil with a load of 5 Ohms.

First test: coils in attraction mode

Second Test: coils in N-N repulsion mode

In both scope shots blue and yellow are the drive coils measured at the low side, red is the output coil.

Ignore the measurement numbers, look at the traces.

I think this proves the validity of the bucking arrangement in the figuera device.

Also, when testing the output coil windings with a magnet the entire winding length is north confirming that the north is being pushed out of the core.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Aetherholic posted this 22 May 2018

Marathonman

Your time is not wasted.

Those of us who have got off our asses and and done the experiments and are building the device know how it operates and are in complete agreement with you. The problem with building this device is in solving the mechanical issues with part G and tuning the coils to work with it which is an adventure in itself. That adventure should be documented so others can learn from it.

My new CNC parts start arriving tomorrow so by the end of the week I hope to have a rebuilt part G so I can proceed to playing with the coil setup.

I will continue to document the progress good or bad because in the end, if you dont make mistakes you never learn anything. If I dont achieve a working system it will be because my implementation is not correct as I have already proved by experiment that the operating principle is correct.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Aetherholic posted this 22 May 2018

Hi Peter

Great to have you onboard in this great adventure, and that you are prepared to share your hard work, I am very interested to see your part G solution.

Namaste

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Peter posted this 22 May 2018

Hi Aetherholic,

 I think we are in the same part of this great magnet. I live in Heerlen (limburg), where are you from??

Quick question about your part G..  I only have the Positive brush installed on my core, but i see that you have 2 brushes ( + and -)

Are they both on seperate commutators?  is the - brush to feed back secondary power to part G (45-135-45-135) ?  or is it mandatory for good operation.??

Kind regards,,

Peter

I started with a 3D model of part G. It has got 76 windings 2,5 sqmm, and 1 brush rotating inside

3D model Part G

The RED bottom part is a 3D print to ensure all the wires have the sameexact spacing in between them.

Aetherholic posted this 22 May 2018

Hi Peter, let's just say I have travelled a lot but have spent many happy times in Eindhoven and Enscede. Marathonman explained the role of the two brushes in his numerous eloquent posts. The north brush is a dc feed whilst both brushes are also feed forward from a commutated secondary.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Zanzal posted this 22 May 2018

Hey Marathonman,

I'm glad you are here and whatever harsh words might have transpired are in the past. Everyone whose been here sees how much effort you've put into all this understands your frustration and how easily it can result in unfortunate exchanges sometimes even from misunderstandings. You've done a great job working to right those wrongs and you've also made great improvements on the level of patience you extend to those of us who don't exactly see eye to eye with you.

I just thought you should know that even though I don't really have much to offer to this conversation being so inexperienced, I really admire your focus and commitment to a single device. Its not a knock against others but rather just something that sets you apart. Thanks for all the great stuff you share, because of it I have great confidence that you will do all that you've said you will. 

Also thanks Aetherolic although you've only recently joined you are doing an excellent job. I enjoy following everyones progress in this thread. Good to see new people join in too, looking forward to all the new contributions.

Marathonman posted this 22 May 2018

Thank you Zanzal for your very kind words.

It's quite funny just the other day a friend i haven't seen in a long while came over. i showed him my progress and explained all the ins and outs of the Figuera device.  after my presentation to him he asked if i had been a teacher in my past from the very thorough and precise explanation of things.

i guess i have never really thought about it but i guess i am so descriptive and dedicated  to this device is for one, i am completely infatuated with this device and two, so many people in this world does such a half arse job at things or are a total liar trying to get their 15 minutes of fame through deception.

all i want to do is make the world aware of the fact that we have been conned for over a hundred years that we need to buy power from some Corporation with are hard earned money or buy fuel for our smog farting machines we call automobiles.

none of this is true and my goal is end the con job once and for all.  between this device and the 1932 coutier device i will make a change one way or another.

I feel privileged to be here sharing with you people that has joined me on my journey.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 24 May 2018

What i am about to say is a little off topic, it still pertains to the Figuera device and all electrical machines of man but it really should have it's own thread for research as it is very controversial and tends to send people screaming down the hallway. .

here is a quote from a PDF on inductance and magnetic energy;

" Any circuit in which the current changes with time will have time-changing magnetic fields, and therefore associated induced electric fields, which are due to the time changing currents, not  to the time changing magnetic field (association is not causation)".

i tend to agree with this statement because i have come to believe magnetic fields as the breaks (resistance) or controlling mechanism to the electric field.

even though a magnetic field is created around a conductor when currant is flowing it is at right angles to the currant flow but the electric field is parallel  to the currant flow at all times.  when a magnet is brought close to a coil of wire we were told by our forefather in Physics that the change in a magnetic field causes currant to flow. what people do not understand is a magnet is an electrified object with domains locked into place causing a constant currant flow around the magnet it's self. 

the currant flowing in the magnet is what is causing the electric field of varying degrees of intensity so when you bring that so called magnet into a coil of wire what you are really doing is changing the intensity of the electric field intensity around the wire which causes currant to flow. the magnetic field has nothing to do with the generation of currant what so ever and is just the resistance to the electric field.

in the figuera device part G when i speak of magnetic linking it is actually the addition of the winding's and an addition of the reverse electric fields to the original currant flow. as each winding loop is added or subtracted to each side of the brush it causes a addition of reverse electric field that is paralleled to the original currant  opposing it flow.

as i said it is really controversial but after 200 years it is about time people start finding out the truth that a magnetic field can not in any way create a electric field and cause currant to flow. magnetism is the breaks (resistance) to the electric field.

now that i literally screwed everyone's mind up lets get back to the Figuera device

EDIT;  i just figured out that their is a contradiction between the statement from above quote and the gravitation  dimensions being cancelled from a two dimensional magnetic field so i will have to dwell on this for a while before i post any more on the subject.

 

Marathonman

 

Marathonman posted this 24 May 2018

Ferrocells are showing the magnetic field lines only and have nothing to do with the electric field so it is basically uncovering the secrets of the Electric fields. but anyways it does tend to tangle up people's brain to much and cause massive disagreements so i'll leave that alone.

meanwhile i found a good slow epoxy that has a 3 hour window which is good window to wind in and cures in 24 hours with 3,300 psi sheer strength as it will be used for the square wire and C core.

http://www.monarkgolf.com/golf-components/tools-supplies/24-hour-shafting-epoxy-total-8-oz..html

not bad for 9.50  for both parts.

Peter;

even the cheap ones look fantastic and overkill for what you need but will last a good while.

marathonman

Peter posted this 12 July 2018

Hey Guys, here's an update on my build.

finished the commutator.  16 shimms 8 connections on the outside which will go to my part "g". And my electric motor on the backside to turn the brush.

I will be placing a new brush soon, because this one is almost at it's end.

The black casing is 3d printed. the axl comes from an old vacuum cleaner motor ( bearings on both sides) I welded the brush holders directly to the rotor.

Next up.. winding my part G core..  

Kind regards,

 

Peter

 

Marathonman posted this 01 September 2018

Here is a very very ruff drawing of what is taking place in the secondary. when the primaries polarize the secondary and current begins to flow in the secondary and the load an opposing field to the first is formed and it is this field that is swept or pushed from side to side by the primaries thus inducing motion into the secondaries. it is this opposing field that the electric field sees as motion thus inducing EMF.

each time the field is pushed to the other end the polarity changes thus producing AC.

 

Regards and sorry for the bad pic,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 26 September 2018

Finally my part G is finished so as soon as i pay for it i will post a pic of the finished brush holder. i haven't seen it yet but i am sure it looks awesome.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 26 September 2018

   I find it funny and some what convenient  that through out all the years of my research not one university anywhere has information on an active inductor. all they describe is a static inductor with changing current and not one single one states that if L changes so does (I) current. they are mutual as either of them changes so does the other.
if I changes so does L but the flip side of the coin that is not published anywhere is that if L changes so does I.  this is the magnetic flux to current ratio and at any given time that the magnetic flux increases or decreases (I) the current flow decreases or increases respectively. as each loop is added or subtracted to either side of the rotating positive brush in part G of Figuera's controller the magnetic flux to current ratio is changing constantly. as each loop is added to that side of the brush the magnetic field around that loop interacts with the loop next to it and it is this interaction that produces an EMF which is in exact accordance with Faraday's LAWS OF INDUCTION and according to the Lenz law this EMF produced within the circuit it's self will oppose the original current flow.

if Figuera had used a standard resistance wire the system would have so much losses through heat that i really doubt the device would ever self sustain. but since he did not use wire resistance  he did not have a heat death device. 
Figuera chose an active inductor for many reasons and one of the main reasons by using a magnetic field to control current flow allowed him to attain efficiencies well beyond that capabilities of resistance wire. using thicker wire on his active inductor Figuera was able to achieve efficiencies in the high 90's with very little core and ohmic losses.
the act of using magnetic flux to control current flow was down right genius on Figuera's part that not only allowed him to store and release potential within the system at specific times but to split the feed into two active circuits controlling current flow of two separate feeds in complete unison.

I salute the sheer genius of Figuera as his device has completely captivated me beyond belief.
even after all this time i still stand in total Awe of Clemente Figuera. 

Regards,
Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 28 September 2018

Here are some build update pics:

Triplets all finished and wired up

Part G core added

Part G mechanics mounted

Now all that's left to do is final alignment and wiring before further testing.

 

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Vidura posted this 06 October 2018

Hey Marathon Man, I'm really sorry about that strikes you suffered, and hopefully you can recover soon or get back your stuff. As I am not that wealthy I can't offer helping with money, but let me tell you that I wish you to have success, and admire your persistent work on the figuera device, your sharing of information, and would be happy to see your work to be concluded .Regards Vidura.

Marathonman posted this 07 October 2018

Even though it is very painful to watch someone else finish my work i am still quite grateful that my knowledge and sharing of this device is coming full circle through Aetherholic. even though i was right about the loop back we have shared a lot in the last few months so much so that he will have a working device very soon. his knowledge in the simulations on his part literally verified everything of the loop back feature i had suspected that allows the device to not only sustain it's self but to give the primaries the added peak at the right moment maintaining the required pressure between the primaries.

I thank you all for the kind comments and i most certainly am very grateful for having the opportunity to share with everyone around the world as this was my only goal to help humanity take a new road to travel.

i will be back on my feet soon.

I would personally like to thank the original replicator for sharing some very valuable information to me  as none of this would have been possible if not for the path for which to travel on. of course the ball busting last 5 or 6 years of study and bench work sure did help to.

i would also like to thank all the trolls for busting my ass and making me mad enough to not give up and to shove the truth up their back side. ha, ha, ha !

Thanks !

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 08 October 2018

Please keep in mind that the two coil contact is the minimal for operation and it does not mean that is the catch all as three or more can be used  if you so desire according to your build.

another thing to keep fresh in your mind is the secondary really should be laminated to get the most bang for your buck lessening the  eddy currents and hysteresis which equates to a higher output from the secondary.

finally always keep thing adjustable through out the system as you never know when a slight adjustment could change the whole outcome.

the not connected commutator segments in my setup was to ensure there was never a dead short on the secondary even though the AC from the secondary was at the zero crossing. it was just a precaution that paid off.

Peter;

Thanks, it is a hard pill to swallow trust me. Nice cores by the way.

when winding your primaries be sure to start with your secondaries and decide what your output will be then design your primaries  according to that remembering the primaries split the required pressure between them. using a high power resistor will allow you to fire up your primaries and test them for the proper lbs pressure without the power supply freaking out.  also if you have noticed that the primaries do not control the current flow, that is the job of part G the controller so wind them specifically as electromagnets to get the biggest bang for the buck.  inductance controls the current flow not resistance, resistance is unrecoverable losses so please minimize the losses.

keep on keeping on and change the world one build at a time.

 "its characteristics are a rectifier+magamp+battery+AC modulator+amplifier."

exactly, the part G Inductor controller has so many functions as i have been explaining all these years it is hard for many people to conceive it as a simple device that can do all these things at the same time or time intervals.

Keep up the great work Aetherholic.

Regards,

Marathonman

Jagau posted this 08 October 2018

I wish you could continue to help those who started with you,

I understand you MM,

sorry for you.

Jagau

Cornboy posted this 15 October 2018

Update

I now have 440W of excess power in the system.

 

 WOW Aetherholic, congratulations that's awesome, and i do believe it is just the start for you and your device.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile 

Cornboy posted this 15 October 2018

  Just testing how to upload photo's.

 Cornboy.   smile

 

Marathonman posted this 21 October 2018

That is completely correct as Aetherholic has stated. Keep things adjustable, all things. The E I core will work fine as long as the core is closed. Granted the core will not have the efficiency of the toroid as the E I will have more flux leakage but you will also not have paralleled inductance either as the toroid did. As for the triangle wire, well it will have a greater deal of technical difficulty trying ti stand it on edge for the tightest fit. My suggestion would be to take the easy route and use either rectangle wire on edge or do what i was to do and use square wire. That way much less wire is taken off in the precision grinding stage with more brush contact in the end. In the long run it is ultimately your decision.

By having an adjustabe brush holder it saved me a bunch of calculation of inductances. I can dial in the exact sweep ratio according to the ratio of primary to secondary lengths then can just take off a loop or two for the exact current needed. Again keep things adjustabe at all times if possibe.

Regards, Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 22 October 2018

Regarding the different cores, as long it is a closed core system to give proper feed back the system will function properly. with all cores that are not round like the toroid there will be significantly more flux loss then that of the toroid. this is due to the sharper bends at certain corners that leads to the flux losses at that point. the rounder the corners the less flux losses.

the tighter the winding's the less amount of winding's needed to get the proper amount of self induction. as we should all know by now the closer the winding's the better the magnetic coupling the larger the EMF produced that opposes the original current flow. 

this will allow you to have a smaller rotating brush radius. this is the reason the original replicator turned his rectangle wire on it's edge. well at least one of the reasons, the other is the longevity of the winding's. having thicker wire will allow him to resurface the winding's quite a many times without having to rewind the core and a simple brush replacement. the wire he used was very difficult to form around the core being 3 x 5 mm.

happy building.

Regards,

Marathonman

Jagau posted this 24 October 2018

To speak about it is already a lot, it is necessary that you find an ear to listen to what you have to say.
Will pray for you.
Jagau

Aetherholic posted this 25 October 2018

Marathonman

Thats great news. No one deserves the pressure you are under right now, I hope you get this chance to get back some stability in your life so that you can complete your mission.

Very best regards

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 03 November 2018

Maarmuis;

You are quite welcome. Once the realization that Inductance can control current flow the device really makes sense. I am very happy with your realization of this fact. Happy building, should a question arise please feel free to ask away.

As the brush rotates the opposing fields in part G are constantly changing either increasing or decreasing in intensity which according to Faraday's Laws of Induction will create EMF within the circuit and according to the Lenz Law it will oppose the original current flow.

We are here to make a difference.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 24 November 2018

One has to remember that Mr Doug precision ground part G's brush face. This is the major reason there was no sparking, something people seem to be forgetting. Using a high speed table top drill press with a high speed sanding disc will get one the precision flatness needed at a cheep price.

Permeability of your cores has a major factor in deciding your core material, to fast and the fields will collapse to fast not maintaining the proper feed back to the system.

Smart move annealing your cores Aetherholic.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 29 November 2018

One of the major keys of the Figuera device is to use Dc and only reduce the current just enough to get the sweeping action across the secondary without reducing the field to the point of losing pressure between them. If one was to use AC all pressure would be lost between the primaries and induction will be reduced to just the rising electromagnet. This is the reason why generators use DC in their exciting field. as for the patent, it had been posted so many times in the past i never thought about it not being posted here. maybe it got deleted.

yes the devices are similar but when you study in great detail may things change.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 27 December 2018

People please listen to these words i say now, " Inverse square law and the square of the distance."

in a transformer and a standard generator you have poles that are high pressure and a pole that is low pressure that causes the high intensity fields. in the Figuera device we have a duel mono pole excitation system that conforms to the inverse square law.

in my own test i confermed this to be true, the magnetic fields will only project out as long as the core it is coming from whether it be magnet or electromagnet.

a 3 inch core will only project out 3 inches thus if you have a 3 inch primary and a 3 inch secondary your field will be so week by the time it gets out three inches it will be Zero pressure. it can not  project out pass the secondary core even without the other primary in place.

in the 1908 patent it shows the core twice that of the secondary which has very substantial merit according to the inverse square law and in research it shows that any builder of the Figuera device that has the cores the same size will Never get an output  worth squat.

I am working on a you tube video at this moment that explains this in very much detail as to why it is so and why no one is getting anything out of their build.

start building your primaries twice the size as your secondaries.......2 to 1 ratio and you will be rewarded.

regards,

Marathonman

romanta posted this 29 December 2018

 Hi Romanta, thanks for posting your results here and Welcome.

 If you don't mind me asking how do you switch your drive coils, and what do you use for resistance in your circuit?.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.   smile

And I apologize in advance for my poor English, this is not my native language.

My coil power circuit is standard for powering the push pool. This circuit is not intended to work with the Figuera device. Power to the entire device is not more than 18 volts. Current 5A. I just check how the coils work with different directions of the magnetic field and with different secondary coils.SHEM

Marathonman posted this 29 December 2018

romanta;

  Thank you for confirming my results.

although i am skeptical of your signal approach i applaud you for your innovation. in your circuit.  how do you plan on recycling the power in the inducer side of the system remembering both inducer and induced are two separate  systems.

The inverse square law is directly applicable to the mono poles of the Figuera device and i am very glad you realized this at an early stage in your build. the magnetic field must be able to project passed the secondary if one is to maintain the pressure when reduced.

CONGRATS ! you are one of the very few that listened to sound advice.

PS. Welcome aboard.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 12 January 2019

 Great Work Romanta.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2019

Yes great work and those bobbins look home made..... Brovo! Just remember to make your primaries twice as large as your secondaries and your oyster will open freely.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 13 January 2019

When you retract a magnetic field in the space occupied by the secondary you cause a circular electric field around the secondary at that very moment your increasing electromagnet is occupying the same space producing another electric field that is superimposed over the top of the first electric field. Since both electric fields are positive, additive and in the same direction you get an increase in output that matches that of a standard generators high intensity field that utilizes both poles. Figuera device is a Duel Mono-Pole Excitation System that compresses the field lines to match that of a standard generator.

It's that simple.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 14 January 2019

NEW INFORMATION.

   In the standard model of inductive reactance you have the (cause) a current change and an ( effect) an inductance change that is taught around the world in every college. since i have basically proven that inductance can control current flow as well as current flow controlling inductance. In the Figuera device we have just that inductance controlling current flow but with an added twist on the old model. I have come to realize that in part G we have not only inductance but inductive reactance except in this case inductance is the (cause) and current flow change is the (effect).  since they are interchangeable Inductive reactance in the Figuera device is  Caused by inductance and the current change is the effects of it's change. It is still inductive reactance while using DC, rotating a brush to give it frequency.

XL= 2P X F X L

XL= inductive reactance measured in ohms.

2 = a constant 2 X P, (3.1416) = 6.28

F = the AC frequency of the supply but in this case of DC it is the brush speed which gives the frequency at 60 hertz 3600 rpm 50 hertz 3000 rpm all others.

L = the inductance of the coil on part G's core.

Example;

Part G positive brush at set N side measured at set S 0.2 henries inductance.

6.28 X 60 Hertz X .0.2 heneries is 75.36 ohms.

120 volts excitation / 75.36 = 1.59 amps of current flow on the low side of set N.

Set N measured at it's highest potential gives 0.15 henries inductance.

6.28 X 60 hertz X 0.15 henries = 56.52 ohms.

120 volt / 56.52 ohms = 2.12 amps of current flow when set N is high.

These calculations are will help you calculate part G's inductance and currents running through it. 120 volt is just an example as mine i will have 100 volts.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 15 January 2019

Sorry for all the mistakes in my postings. using a cell phone to post is a royal pain. all posting over the last few days were corrected and are much more understandable and in better format thanks to the use of a computer.

 

Newton's law of universal gravitation follows an inverse-square law, as do the effects of electric, magnetic, light, sound, and radiation phenomena.

It is also a fading of the distance and mathematical to the source.

The inverse-square law generally applies when some force, energy, or other conserved quantity is evenly radiated outward from a point source in three-dimensional space. Since the surface area of a sphere (which is 4πr2&nbsp is proportional to the square of the radius, as the emitted radiation gets farther from the source, it is spread out over an area that is increasing in proportion to the square of the distance from the source. Hence, the intensity of radiation passing through any unit area (directly facing the point source) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the point source. Gauss's law is similarly applicable, and can be used with any physical quantity that acts in accordance with the inverse-square relationship.

The Iron core creates an easier path for flux to travel but it does NOT stop the Square of the distance.

I rest my case pertaining to the magnetic fields,  Figuera's electromagnets and the Inverse Square Law.

Regards,

Marathonman

Aetherholic posted this 15 January 2019

alset

There is no blueprint for this device yet so my advice is do what I did first and spend time reading each and every post on this and other forums to see where successes and failures have been, work out why and then use this in your design. My tips at this particular moment in time would be dont use tesla winding as its not necessary, make sure you calculate the force on the brush due to rotation so it wont stick in the holder, use a c type core for part G, do hundreds of experiments to understand how the device is operating,

These tips are not gospel and may change so until we are at the stage where an idiots guide to building a working system is available everything is subject to change. I am trying to limit my posts to things which i know for certain are correct.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

alset posted this 15 January 2019

Aetherholic,

Thank you for your kind answer. Just one last question: What is your opinion about firing the part G with MOSFETs instead of doing it with a rotating brush , which is really very difficult to build properly? Maybe 20 MOSFETs to emulate the whole circle of the brush, so a connection every few turns. I mean leaving direct connection between each set of electromagnets using the part G winding and just injecting the fresh current with electronics. How many turns did you used in your part G?

Thanks and good luck!

Vasile posted this 16 January 2019

I like your build so far. Hope to see it complete soon.

All the best!

Cornboy posted this 16 January 2019

Great job Romanta, thanks for sharing.

 Best Regards,  Cornboy.   smile

romanta posted this 17 January 2019

I deviate a little from the original design, and try to clarify the situation with the power supply of the primary coils for the test, without using the "G" reactor.
Based on what I saw and read within this branch, I realized that to power the primary cores, it is necessary to use the pulsating DC component of the current, the only electrical part that can replace the core "G" to some extent with the test time, this is PWM current adjustment . If anyone can write a program for such regulation, I will be very grateful

. 

The graph in the picture does not accurately display the necessary parameters, but I think the point is clear. Thus, we will not lose the extra current for heating the resistors.

 

Regards Romanta

Zanzal posted this 17 January 2019

I deviate a little from the original design, and try to clarify the situation with the power supply of the primary coils for the test, without using the "G" reactor.

If you want to do something like this you may find it simpler to use a two channel arbitrary waveform generator. Using one of these you can custom wave form that has the voltage curve you are after and run both channels at the same frequency 180 degrees out of phase. This has the benefit of allowing you to customize the output and try different wave forms. If I understand the principles behind Figuera you should not allow the voltage on either side to ever drop to zero so there should be a DC offset, but you can try it and see how it works.

alset posted this 23 January 2019

Congratulations!!

One question about the part G design: How many brushes are required? I suppose that just one brush is required, to mimick the patent design contacting with the resistance. But in one of the last post I understood that more than one brush is required...

I am fan of electronic switch and the number of contact points must mimick the movement of the brush. Thus why I want to clarify this point.

Marathonman posted this 24 January 2019

NO, it is adding to the magnetic field of part G and becomes a separate energy quanta from the current that created it, it then will circulate throughout the system.  as i said the patent even states a brush or group of brushes and confirms there is a switch which is a commutator in reality changing AC from the secondary to DC through the commutator.

my computer is not on line yet as i still need a monitor. i will post a schematic when i can.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 03 February 2019

romanta,

   I personally think one should try to build the original (1908 Patent) which is what this thread is following and get it working before one decides to start making changes to the original design. by building the original design one will there four understand all that is happening in the device, acquire a deep understanding of each piece and the field interactions. once this understanding of the device is achieved one can then make changes to the device to suit ones needs.

good luck just the same.

on a good note this is my first post from my own apartment. i just fired up my computer for the first time in five months and man it sure is nice using a good fast computer for a change.  library computers or cell phone suck big time compared to a 3960E processor, 16 Gig of memory and a Kingston Hyper X SSD all planted on a Gigabyte mother board. BOO YA !

Marathonman

Peter posted this 04 February 2019

Hey Marathonman,

 

Very good to hear you're back up and running....

I think more people will call upon your unique understanding of the figuera device, once more of us get close to finishing it.

So nice to know you're connected again.

Happy building.

Kind regards,

 

Peter

 

 

Vidura posted this 09 February 2019

Hey Cornboy, Nice built your commutator, if I may suggest build first one set of triplets and do some testing, good luck!

Marathonman posted this 09 February 2019

Good to see someone has the time to build. yes that was good advice and remember the 2 to 1 ratio on those cores. what are the parameters of your part G.

Finally after all these months in purgatory i was able to pay for the brush holder. here it is not put together just yet with the motor sitting on top. the brushes that rotate on part G will be mounted in the slots that can be adjusted to get my desired current window of high and low. the hole in the side is for the wire from the slip ring and the commutator  through the shaft as it to is drilled out. the wires to the brush has a hole drilled out in the slots to the center shaft hole to connect to each other.

Simply lovely if i say so myself.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 10 February 2019

 

 

 Hi MM, and all, my part G, is simply a rotary switch, my cores are part R they consist of 54x 1.6mm copper coated welding rods, with a 1.2mm copper single winding 240mm long.

 The combined core mass of the 13 inductive resistor bars is 2.6 kg.

 I am trying to replicate the 1908 patent Sketch, as i see it, understanding it is only literally a thumb nail dipped in Tar, sketch.

 

 Warm Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 

 

Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Hi MM and all, it was so stinking hot here today, i stayed indoors and got to work on my device.

 Is this the wave form we are looking for to drive the inducers? or have i wired it up wrong?

 I must admit i am a scope dummy.

 I have opted for a variac inverted to dc, to start the device, as adjustability will be great.

 This is just testing with 2x24v 70w light bulbs to view the waveform of my new part G.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 

 

 

Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Thanks MM, i was sure that was the case, so i will troubleshoot what i have done, probably something really dumb and basic.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 14 February 2019

 Thanks for the advice MM and Vidura, i found what was creating the signals in unison, when i decided to stop the commutator with the power still going to the bulbs, and found i still had half wave signals in unison Huh?.

 I used 24v battery instead and have opposite signals.

 The power source i have been using is 240v mains through a new 1600v 150a bridge rectifier,shouldn't the DC signal coming out of this unit be a flat line?. I have limited electronic knowledge { as you probably have noticed }.

 Going by the signal now, i  have a commutator problem and will be working on that before going forward.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 PS. MM no offense taken, all good, i know your heart is in the right place.

Marathonman posted this 17 February 2019

Cornboy;

  No the signal coming from your Bridge rectifier will not be flat line and you need smoothing caps to fill the dip when the AC goes to zero crossing over to the negative side. i would suggest to study up on this subject a little and maybe find a good online tutorial about how much capacitance you need per your current draw. i found one last year and i will see if i bookmarked it, if i did i will get the link to you.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

Cornboy posted this 17 February 2019

 OK MM, have done some reading and it looks like i need about 400v 200uf cap across bridge output.

 Also i happen to have a 3kva 1 to 1 isolation tranny on hand. The caps i will have to look through all my unpacked old Don Smith stuff, sure to have what i need there.

 The commutator is another story, the outside housing, being a pvc plumbing fitting, is too flexible, and prone to distortion

 Will make new smaller one with thick aluminum housing and comm bars embedded in resin, then machine the brush surface.

 I have some Garlic payments coming in shortly and am considering having parallel builds going, what i have now and a C core build. 

 Also on doing some research, i have found a company that makes toroidal shape Amorphous cores that can be custom built, even  into a thin walled tube, which i am thinking, back in Clemente's day, if he used a cylinder Gr it would most likely have been soft iron sewer pipe or similar.

 Thanks again for the help,  Cornboy.  smile 

Vidura posted this 17 February 2019

Hi Cornboy I was reviewing and found that in the newest scope shot there is an oscillation, it seems to be caused by interruption of the current flow, which shouldn't happen. In your commutator the brush should connect to two segments at least every moment to have a continuous current flow. maybe you should make the segments narrower and more quantity. Regards Vidura.

creasysee posted this 19 February 2019

Hi all!

I spent a lot of time learning a "Delayed Lenz Effect" when started learning the Figuera device. At the first time, I thought a part G isn't required and I was sure that the device uses multiplication of magnetic fields which have a phase shifting in an iron core.
This effect is described here and when a frequency is 208Hz the half period has 22mm (0.86"). I don't draw any conclusions here, we just need to take this into account, to know that such effects exist and with certain sizes of coils can have a negative (or positive) impact on the operation of the device.

My first tests (over a year ago) are used transistors in A class mode, primaries, and a very narrow secondary. I tried to find a point on the iron core where magnetic fields produce maximum EMF.

Regards, creasysee smile

Vidura posted this 23 February 2019

MM, I'm happy that you can resume your building.May I ask you if the cores are laminated silicon steel, if yes is it non orienteted or oriented grain cuality? @ creasysee I guess MM is correct in pointing to the current capabilities of the switches, as it is a magnetic device.Be aware that aetherholic burnt a 100A bridge rectifier with his partG. Another thing that should be considered is that the mechanical brush perform a coilshortening while moving over the part G, which we know having a great effect on inductance. To mimic this behaviour a bidirectional conducting switch (MOSFET)would be needed. A comparison between IGBT and MOSFET would be valuable for development of the solid state version of the device. Regards Vidura.

Marathonman posted this 23 February 2019

Vidura,

 

 That would be grain oriented M6 with the grain length wise and yes it is laminated. it is to expensive for solid pure iron cores for the primaries and also something that can be done by all replicators.

that is also correct on the brush coil shorting. by having the brush make contact on two or three winding's at a time it will eliminate spikes or current interuptions that are detrimental to this device. it is also a wider path to inject the secondary feed back into part G and a wider separation of the opposing magnetic fields of the inductor part G.

the whole reason i chose to do mechanical was not only can mechanical sustain a higher amperage but to gather all available information i can getting a complete understanding of the device parameters before moving forward with the electronic version. which i might add i have a very good understanding of this device already so the electronic version will be no problem.

there must be two to three channels on at a time to mimic the brush and for the end channels to remain on for twice as long as the ones in the middle to get the proper inductive roll off to exactly mimic the AC wave form.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

 

alset posted this 25 February 2019

Thanks, Marathonman, but it's very expansive for me $5 vs $0.5. 

I have 600V 6A IGBT and 1kW variac as part G, so I don't see any reason to enter the power of more than 1 kW. First tests will use 48 IGBTs, each IGBT has 56W power dissipation and processing 1/48 part of the energy, so it will dissipate 1kW/48 = 21W even if each transistor will dissipate all power. So, I think it will work safely because transistors work in key mode (not active mode) and have fast drivers.

Really my part G has inductance 3H and XL = 2*Pi*f*L = 2*3.28*50*3 = 942Ohm, thus I can enter I = U/R = 300V/942 Ohm = 0.32A. (I cannot enter 600V, because it's inductance load, need a voltage margin). I chose the wrong variac...

Most likely, I will work at frequencies below 50 Hz, 16 Hz for example. We do not know at what frequency Figuera worked.

Good figuering!

Regards, creasysee smile

 

 

Hi Creasysee,

940 ohms is huge!! I think you can tune your toroid by reducing the number of turns. A quick test is just to tap your L meter into the last contacts of your last mosfets instead than in the last turns of the toroid. If you are so kind please do it and tell us. Thanks.

 

If I remember fine Aetherholic did his part G with around 90 turns. Maybe he can confirme that value and maybe add his values of inductance and XL

 

As Marathonman said Figuera was trying to pour his production into the main network so probably he used 50 or 60 Hz.

 

Best wishes!!

Vidura posted this 26 February 2019

When making measurements of the inductance on this devices you have to take in account the reduced impedance effect of the opposing magnetic fields, where the reluctance component becomes very small. Also the windings which are shorted by the brush on part G make a similar effect of reduced reactance. Although in the latter are many different types of interactions present so only experience will bring practical results on how to calculate impedance matching on this device. Regards Vidura.

Cornboy posted this 28 February 2019

 HI all, some pics of Commutator Mach  3, and hopefully the last, on this line of experimenting.

 

First 2 getting ready to pour, last pic after pour and initial clean up in the lathe, now to finish machining the comm bars, etc.

 Best regards  Cornboy.  smile

Aetherholic posted this 02 March 2019

Cornboy

Because my core is in this format [ | ]  I can completely remove one side and still have a closed path so the gap size can vary between none and infinite. 

Marathonman should also be able to gap adjust his [ ] format core if needed.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 15 March 2019

Please remember folks, the primaries are ONLY reduced to clear the secondary then back to full potential as the other primary is reduced. at NO time is the primaries reduced past 50% or to zero. if you do this induction will fail as the compression of field lines is or was not maintained thus induction will fail and the output will plummet to almost nothing.

we are using duel mono poles to compress the field lines to that of a standard generator then reducing one and increasing the other to induce motion into the secondary at the same time forming an intense electric field around the secondary. when current begins to flow a second Lenz Law field will form and this field is what is pushed across the electric field formed by the reducing and increasing primaries in coherency..

the field lines must be compressed and maintained at all times or YOUR OUTPUT WILL FAIL. if you are reducing down to far then you need to have less windings on the end of your part G.

Regards.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Welcome mabberflouth;

Yes there is a ton of information on this site and thread. i have pored my heart out on this device in hope to change this screwed up world we live in. please read the whole thread and realize the amazing possibilities of this device and if you have any questions please feel free to ask away.

my core of my part G is being delivered today along with my 7 triplets. wire should be here any day now so can commence my build.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Well i took some pictures of my C core part G and the new primary and secondary lamination but in the middle of of the upload to my computer my camera took a nose dive and is not recognized by my computer. so that means i lost all my video i recorded last week. i will go to the pawn shop and buy another one then post a pic of my new C core controller part G.

Edit; Managed to get one more pic out of it before another nose dive. my new controller core.

How sweet it is to be loved by Tempel and Bridgeport. they did an outstanding job of the cores and very fast delivery after we got past the Bs sales guy.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 19 March 2019

Yes they are,  Silicon Iron grain oriented 29 gauge M6. 14 primaries 6" long and 7 secondaries 3" long both 2.25 wide.

part G core is grain oriented silicon iron 6" x 6" 1/2" thick.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 20 March 2019

 Welcome, Ourbobby, have seen you asking on other forums.

 My advice is to read right through this thread, it may seem repetitious, with a lot of stuff you have already read elsewere, but you will pick up lots of hints and advice along the way that may help.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile 

Marathonman posted this 20 March 2019

Ourbobby;

You would be correct in your original assumption of your core being to big. also you must be aware of the type of steel you are using it will have remnant magnetization which might be detrimental to the function of part G. just post findings along the way.

ps. welcome.

alfizik;

Welcome and thank you very much for the kind words. your part G looks good but i am wondering why such small wire keeping in mind that part G becomes the power supply when the starting power is removed. the more resistance you have in this system the more losses occurred. remember part G controls the current NOT the primaries ohmage.

also it looks like you are going electronic switching correct me if i am wrong. if you are not then with a rotating part G,  that style of winding will not work. good choice on a core but as i have stated in the past from my findings and that of Aetherholic that part G has parallel inductance on the non active side causing balancing issues of the primaries with a torroid type core.

all; heed the words well as the primaries have to be bigger then the secondaries or the magnetic fields will be to week to maintain the proper field pressure.

again welcome the both of you to the best troll-less forum on the web.

PS. anyone heard from Aetherholic lately.?

Regards,

Marathonman

 

alfizik posted this 20 March 2019

Hi, Marathonman!
The wire that I wrapped the toroid has a diameter of 0.71 mm. Inductance coil 0,265 Henry. There is another core in stock, measuring 126x71x64 mm. And also there is a wire with a diameter of 1.63 mm. Due to lack of funds on the wire and other parts, while using it. Besides, manual winding of a toroid is a considerable time-consuming work, but I still get to wind the second toroid for the sake of experiment and experience. I do not need more power from this device, it is more important to achieve its efficiency with a self-locking device and at least 10 watts of free power. And then it will be clear where to go, and it will be much easier in the sense of availability of funds.

In the photo, the core, which I keep in stock for now. Its overall power is 400 watts.
I hope you understand my text, as I write through a translator. And I also read through the machine translator Google, understanding the meaning of complex technical texts is not very good. Road going by walking!)

Regards!

Marathonman posted this 21 March 2019

alfizik;

Yes, i understood you, i just didn't know if you were going electronic or not. please remember that the secondary feed back is sent into part G also so how are you going to account for that after testing.?

it is great having so many builders around the world contributing to such a great cause. we are the future.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 22 March 2019

That is correct, each primary electromagnet needs to be exact copies of each other avoiding inconsistencies in magnetic field intensities. when making bobbins they should all be exact copies of each other also and by using bobbins it leave room for adjustments that are a vital part in tuning this device.

not sure what you mean by that last question. Ben Franklin thought current flowed from positive to negative and had a 50/50 chance of being right. unfortunately he got it wrong. current flows from negative to positive but the present system remains in place. negative is charging into counter space South pole and positive is discharging into space North pole. north is positive pressure and south is negative pressure. sounds a bit confusing at times..

when winding part G it needs to be wound as negative to the primaries and the brush positive causing two north opposing fields at the brush that keeps the two halves essentially separate. if i remember rightly it was counter clockwise from Set S to Set N.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

 

Ourbobby posted this 25 March 2019

Hello,

Things are on the move. I have worked my toroid a bit to round the edges and wound tape around it . Ran out of blue so used my black tape to finished off, and mark out the start and end for the winding. Also, my arduino 2560 board arrived today.  i have some #15 wire, maybe just enough to do a complete wind with one join.

Am ploughing through this thread again! Cannot remember everything so am taking notes on what looks important!

 

Regards

Ourbobby

 

 

Marathonman posted this 25 March 2019

When the secondary loop back is in place the voltage throughout the system will increase well beyond 100 volts and here is why.

you have the the reducing primaries potential added to the reducing side of part G then at that moment the secondary feed back adds to those two potentials causing an substantial increase in voltage that forward biases the rising primaries. higher voltage will cause higher amperage to flow giving the rising primaries an added kick at the peak to replace the field line pressure of the reducing primaries. it adds the reducing primaries reduced pressure to the rising side allowing it to maintain the required output you so desired.

everyone will experience this rise in voltage so don't freak out when you test as this is a norm for this device.

Regards,

Marathonman

creasysee posted this 26 March 2019

@Marathonman

Sure, it's from the power supply.

The oscillogram without primaries and secondary, it's from lamps (active load) connected instead primaries. I wanted to show that a toroid's coil can produce full variation of voltage from zero to voltage of the power source, although the toroid has inductance 3H.

I'll provide an oscillogram for different frequency, for example 400 Hz, and we'll see it more clear. Now the frequency is 50 Hz.

Regards, creasysee.  smile

Marathonman posted this 11 April 2019

Again no one pays attention, Peter i never said i was leaving just tired of repeating myself over and over and over because of the lack of attention to presented information which seems to not be benched to verify.

below is the circuit i am working on for the high side driver.

10 Awg square wire came in so it looks like i will be winding my part G this weekend and assembling primary and secondary cores and just maybe some bobbins.

as you can see in the pic below i am not using the low side of the driver so it is taken to ground. i decided to add the timing adjustment cap on the high "in" signal to extend the on time of the circuit to mimic the make before break scenario of the mechanical rotating brush. the driver is a newly added from the manufacture at only 86 cents and can handle up to 600 volts which to me is one of the best offered today.

Edit; Table top drill press and vise came in today which is good as i will be able to precision grind/buff part G's winding's to total flatness. 3100 rpm will be good as the brush is at 3600 so that is as close as i can get for the money

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 15 April 2019

Hello marathonman,

                                 I hope it was not my comments on inverting the coil structures that upset you. we are all guilty of looking at things which doesnt mean that they are right. progress is made by challenging set procedures. although you have probably nailed this one shut tight.

i have started my build based on creaseasy circuit. i found that the register shift have to be reordered. no big deal, i only looked when i was trying to solder to same pinout! all sorted, to easy. as i am using solid iron bar for my cores i have improvised the bobbin using bobbin from plumbers teflon tape, throw tape away, cut bobbin in half and join together with thin plastic sheet and electrical tape. my bar is 25mm dia and bobbin id 1 inch so nice and close.

 

will keep you up todate with my progress

 

ourbobby

Marathonman posted this 17 April 2019

Vasile and others that are still confused.

Figuera used two opposing fields to compress the field lines to match that of a standard N & S generator high intensity field yet remain apart and not combine. what most people are failing to realize is that when the reducing electromagnet is reducing it is also being pushed by the increasing electromagnet. when the reducing electromagnet reduces across the secondary it creates an Electric field and at the same time the increasing electromagnet is increasing across the secondary,  it to is creating an electric field. even though the increasing electromagnet is shoving the reducing field out of the core it still created and electric field. both electric fields combine thus giving you an intensity of the square of the two fields.

is is a remnant electric field and does not disappear when it is pushed/reduced across the secondary. also when current begins to flow in the secondary and the load, a secondary field is formed according to the Lenz's Law which will oppose the change. it is this field that is pushed across the Electric field created by both electromagnets. this is how the primaries induce motion into the secondaries.

two opposing fields one increasing the other decreasing will cause their Electric fields to be in the same direction thus giving you an intensity of square of the two fields .

we are moving the massless, weightless field NOT a huge hunk of iron so the potential to move this massless, weightless field is substantially reduce from that of the massive spinning iron

Electric fields combine opposing magnetic fields do not..

Regards,

Marathonman

Dadrev posted this 04 May 2019

@Marathonman

Cheer up...

What happens in the Figuera device I think is something more than a current pumping in the armature, caused by the back and forth movement of the magnetic field lines of the armature that is confined between the two Bloch walls, but I do not know why. it may be due Added feedback, maybe?

I have thought to make my cores with sweet iron rods (electrodes without coverage) of a size of two inches in diameter, and a length of four inches. The enameled copper wire of 1 mm will be fine for the inductors?

The armature will do it with a core equal to that of the electromagnets and an inch and a half long, with 0.3mm enameled copper wire.

A set of 6 pick-up coils with 12 electromagnets, shaped like honeycomb, configured for 1000 w each coil, could be suitable.

For the G part I think that a C core or a flat disk could be adequate. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Ah! One question: Could two threads be used in parallel for part G, instead of one? I don't know. It's a mistake?

Regards...

(Editado)

Saludos...

Ourbobby posted this 05 May 2019

Hi creasysee,

                        yup, blink program works. where i thought i had clock pulse   this was in fact a faulty register chip intermitrntly shorting to earth. blink test works, o in theory board works. there is no clock output from pin 35 on either Jan or feb sketches.

 

regards

ourbobby

@ marathonman.

all the reading in the world will not teach as much as the combination of theory and practice. this is why i muck around to see what is happening. next time i read the subject will make more sense. thanks for your assistance

 

ourbobby

 

 

Dadrev posted this 06 May 2019

@marathonman Ud. Sin duda se refiere a Buforn. Blasberg fue su electricista ayudante, alemán, y que colaboró en el desarrollo del dispositivo. Blasberg conocía bien los efectos del electromagetismo. Saludos...

Saludos...

Chris posted this 06 May 2019

Tenga la seguridad de que está seguro aquí con nosotros Dadrev. Podríamos pedir mucho pero somos un buen grupo!

   Chris

Vidura posted this 08 May 2019

hey Ourbobby,

the pulses are not correct, they are double in traces 2,3,4 should be simple(edit: depending on the part g shape, for the E ir C shaped cores it could be correct, a foreward and back movement,but not for the toroidal part g)also the overlapping is missing(?), seems to be a code issue. 

vidura

Ourbobby posted this 08 May 2019

Hi Vidura, 

               Thanks for the reply. Yes, I was curious about the extra pulses coming through and i expected an overlap, all beit very small. the code is s provided by creaseysee i believe,  on another site. the problem might be the code is treating the delay as a pulse. will have a go at repairing this.

 

code here, (edit) actually the code there now is an earlier version I haven't tried that one yet. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Qw7lNVZ-Yfgnw79gH9t_yHQc_0RwuPSn

 

regards

 

ourbobby

Wistiti posted this 10 May 2019

Hey MM! If you wish to add a "support button " to this tread to have some financial help, just let me know and pm me your PayPal information. I will add it for you.

Keep up the good work!

Ourbobby posted this 11 May 2019

Hi guys,

            I found this article in my search for hysteresis and calculating the saturation of the cores. very neat and i am going to build one to see if it helps me. 

https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/probing_cores

 

regards

 

ourbobby

Ourbobby posted this 21 May 2019

Hi,

       have wound 14 coils for the first attempt for the primaries. i have changed the wire to 1.06mm, each coil has 330 turns and each weight pretty close to 320grams.  i have been looking at my G configuration and conclude that the hollow bar may be overkill for this first build. also, it is going to be a problem getting it machined down  to a smaller size. does the part G have to be solid iron or can i use a laminated core?

regards

ourbobby

Ourbobby posted this 22 May 2019

Thank you for your positive comments. it seems that you are a very capable person. it is a pity that you offer abuse to many people on different forums. earlier in the thread you quote a generous and caring approach. so why now the mr bad guy? on another forum you actually threatened to shoot someone. i know that this is not the real you. the real you is a thoughtful caring person. i must wonder if there is a deeper reason for your outbursts. Anyway, i shall keep my secrets to myself. i personally do not have your intellect and scientific knowledge. you must wonder why people leave threads when offered an opportunity not to be missed?

 

ourbobby

Vidura posted this 02 June 2019

Great , and very skilled building MM. I'm eager to see the first tests of this beauty all assembled!

Regards Vidura

Cornboy posted this 15 June 2019

 MM.

 The coils are 40mm long, the cores are 75mm long, and are laminated.

 Wire is 18g , 7mh inductance, 0.6ohm  dcr.

 Still a bit of work to do on these, like machining one end of the core flat and trimming the cores to the right length and all equal length, but still very economical.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 23 June 2019

 Neat Job MM, i hate winding coils!.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile  

Cornboy posted this 27 June 2019

 Looks great MM, very neat.

 Any chance of a diagram of your power supply?.

 Regards and thanks,  Cornboy.  smile

Chris posted this 10 January 2018

 

How many Coils does Clemente Figuera Use?

 

How many Coils does Melvin Cobb Use?

 

How many Coils does Alexander Frolov's Phi Transformer Use?

 

How many Coils does Don Smith Use?

 

How many Coils does Floyd Sweet Use?

Divide by Two and exclude EX1 and 2 because they are Dive Coils.

  • P1 = 2 + FB1 = 3 Coils
  • P2 = 2 + FB2 = 3 Coils

EX1 and EX2 are Drive Coils, for Feed Back, or Feed Forward, depending on how you want to look at it,  giving a Time Constant via an Induced E.M.F from the two Power Coils Opposing Fields squeezing out the side through the EX Coils.

Turns Ratios and the Wavelengths used are important, we know this already.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

@Marathonman - Are you aware of the very old devices called Mag-Amps, Saturable Reactors and the like?

 

“Now I'm going to say something I should not. Floyd Sweet was privileged to work with the  Germans after WW2. He pulled this trick on me with the VTA except I caught him and was  booted out he only made it look like he condition the magnets . The Germans already had  developed, kept away from the people rotating mag amps and Sweet worked on them. ( He  was an electromagnetic expert in this field) It was funny to me when I would go over to  Sweet's place with the coils I wound for him and when I would leave it would be working the  next day. I asked him to remove the 100 watt power Amplifier and he refused so I left then  was asked to never return by Tom Bearden, Tom did not know as I never told him. Tom even  brought one over to me to test away from Floyd's house where it was working before Tom  left to have it tested. Floyd went nuts when Tom told him he was testing this at my shop. It  did not work. So whatever GE had knowledge of , Floyd knew How, but I can make this  machine work either way.”

...

“That is why nobody can make it, Sweet device also Magnetic Amplifier.”

John Bedini

 I was never able to confirm any of this. But back in those days it was how they did things. So its hard to say.

We are growing stronger every day, with every new member, we are working as a team and we are moving forward all the time. Our Collective Will makes us in stoppable! We are already making a difference!

We work for the next Generation, making the difference the last Generation should have, but only few did.

   Chris

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dummyload posted this 10 January 2018

I was offline for a little bit, so I hadn't seen the reply from Chris when I posted. I just deleted my post. It just seemed that the mag amp or DC Variac described had a special construction.

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

I was offline for a little bit, so I hadn't seen the reply from Chris when I posted. I just deleted my post. It just seemed that the mag amp or DC Variac described had a special construction.

Hey Dummyload - I may have been late to reply, sorry, I have been really busy lately. got a side project and its taking a lot of time.

GE built what's called an Amplidyne, it is a Rotating Magnetic Amplifier. I do not know if this was what Floyd may have worked on, but it fits the description given by JB.

One has to ask the question, why would GE put a "Generator" on the end of a Motor? It clearly served a purpose, especially on the gun mount control system in the Military.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 10 January 2018

in the figuera device part G is basically the same thing with a twist.

Marathonman

Agreed, it is, the Twist is Electromagnetic Induction, we are Amplifying Voltage and Current in excess of Unity, and above! Charge is Separated, Conduction Improves, which in turn Resistance drops, because Conduction = 1 / Resistance.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 11 January 2018

Hahaha Nicely worded - We feel the same way Marathonman! I assure you!

For the sake of Science and the way Science has discovered Nature and all of the Great Scientists that have contributed to Science, I follow Science and do Science, but Experiment is what guides my beliefs. Not the Dogma of bad Scientists! Which is NOT Science!

As all Great Scientists have, even the Great Nikola Tesla, worked with the Fundamental concepts of Electrical Energy, as this is my focal point. This being Voltage and Current, the quantities we Measure and observe.

I have my own views on how these particles have managed to stay in existence for as long as they have. I have chosen to stay largely silent on the underlying concepts, simply because I do not wish to confuse people.

I want to stay on target and leave out all unnecessary complications, at least where possible.

That's just the way I want to go with my work. Any following my work, and the progress I have had in the study of Floyd Sweet and my side projects that relate and correlate to Floyds Sweets work, can then follow the same Concepts laid out in Science, a Standardised View Point that is well documented.

I need not re-invent the wheel, only tighten a few spokes...

The reason I say this here, is, this is how Clemente Figuera also approached his work. As many Greats did following Figuera.

   Chris

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Zanzal posted this 12 January 2018

Can not copy and paste won't let me. even tried the new Mozilla Firefox, Google chrome, Internet Explorer and Chromium,  the same thing.

Marathonman

I don't get the browse button either so I cheat:

1) Upload the image as an attachment after creating the post
2) Copy the attachment link below the post into the clipboard
3) Edit the post and insert the image using the attachment link url
4) Wait a few seconds for the image to appear then edit the dimensions of the image to better fit the forum.

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Zanzal posted this 13 January 2018

Those coils turned out pretty nice.

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Hopeful1 posted this 17 April 2018

marathonman

"Thank you" seems inadequate. What is missing from most forums is someone who is unselfish enough to share ALL their research and discoveries for the betterment of mankind. On this site there is none of that, only like minded people who want to see man progress.  I have had this patent saved for a lot of years and understood the basics of how it works, but thanks to your work i may someday be able to make it work. Thank you again.

Tony

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Marathonman posted this 23 May 2018

I can always tell when the US Government is snooping on the line, it slows down considerably like right now.

The information that was passed to me years ago from a person that had built the Figuera device stated that he used a high speed grinder/buffer at the speed the brush is rotating to precision flatness on part G and was completely shocked at just how little of brush wear there actually was. not only that, the precision top eliminated the sparking to an unnoticeable level.

i personally am taking this advice and that route with my part G. also it would be advisable to have a cut off switch for the secondary output to part G to shut the device off and maybe the loop back to the primaries.

another good thing is if people are having trouble understanding what i have posted in the past you can use BullZip PDF printer highlighting any and all information then click print choosing Bullzip and it will print all the info in a PDF on your desktop for your review. this will allow you to review all information at your leisure to absorb and understand what has been presented so far. i have a Figuera folder full of PDF's on any and all info pertaining to this device for quick review.

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 23 May 2018

That would be the flat face toroid. what he used was a 100 amp alternator core taped to a flat surface wound with very thick wire at around 80 to100 winds. the brushes were mounted in the fan hub assembly. he also used springy wound metal coil for his brushes not a plain ole spring.

the brushes i bought have some good pressure behind them when i compress them so i am hoping it will not have to modify them but it is what it is.

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 03 July 2018

FARADAY'S FIRST LAW:
Whenever the magnetic flux linked with a closed circuit changes, an e.m.f. is induced in the circuit. The induced e.m.f. last long as the change in magnetic flux continues. 
notice Faraday's law did NOT say anything about current it just said if the magnetic flux changes and the induced EMF that opposes the original current flow will last as long as the flux changes.

FARADAY'S SECOND LAW:
The magnitude of induced e.m.f. is directly proportional to time rate of change of magnetic flux linked with the circuit.
again he never said anything about current change just the time rate of magnetic flux change so by adding more loops that magnetically link to the circuit you are changing the magnetic flux in a time rate of change.

so any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current as per Faraday's laws of induction.

add all these up and what do you get.???  you get an Inductor with a rotating brush that constantly changes the loop count that magnetically link to that side of the circuit that produces an opposition to the original current flow. as the brush rotates so does the change in magnetic field to current ratio witch is the amount of opposing EMF to the original current flow.

imagine that ! Figuara's inductor controller backed up by Faraday himself. now is that enough Physics fact for ya. Figuera used an Inductor as his controller plain and simple backed by the Grandfather of Physics himself.

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 10 July 2018

Aetherholic;

Please explain further on the liner and hex arrangement.

Yes your cores will be fine except the eddies in the secondary will be high with solid cores as i have found out. in the future people need to use laminated cores for the secondary to produce the best output. solid core are fine for the primaries.

David;

"This was the point I had arrived at and was suddenly confronted by all the problems if this were to be still a conventional electricity generator but without the 'Cogging' effect?"

Exactly as said. just like a generator but without the nasty spinning mass of iron.

brush rotation in the US is 3600 rpm and for the rest it is 3000 rpm.

You really need to read my posts David as it will or should answer all your questions.

Vidura;

No, a gap is not necessary and should be avoided. i glued mine together which is enough to stop eddies from the secondary to the primaries.

I have to go to work now so i will post further to you all tonight.

All of you are learning just fine. just try to visualize in your mind what i have posted and you will be fine.

regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 11 July 2018

If any one else would like to disagree with me that part G is an Inductor maybe you should read thus post from someone with a PHD in electrical Engineering.

Quote; "MarathonMan is spot on.

EMF = d(flux)/dt = d(L*I)/dt which only simplifies to L*dI/dt in case L is constant (and this last simplification is the only thing we are taught in school).

Adding or subtracting windings to an inductor changes L itself and thus L*dI/dt no longer applies. Instead d(L*I)/dt should be used. And with that it is very simple to obtain an overunity system as long as the amount of energy that it costs to change L is less than the amount of excess energy you obtain with the system.

The more difficult part of this is to design a system that will do exactly this and which can be built in practice. The Figuera device is such a device.

PmgR"

I do not have a degree but i do have a BRAIN and a lot of tests on the bench to prove it.

Never stop believing in your self and your convictions. i really didn't need to post this as i already knew part G was an Inductor.

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Marathonman posted this 12 July 2018

That is good to know Aetherholic as i was a bit worried there. you are coming along very well with your cores and your bobbins. i myself really enjoyed making my bobbing, it was a lot of fun.

Peter; your build is coming along really nice and that set up is very original, lets just hope the Inductance jump is not to steep and induction drops. will be waiting to see the results.

all of you are coming along just fine and are actually passing me up as i have many loose ends on my part that are slowing me down to a crawl for which i do apologize for.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 12 July 2018

Here is a basic graph of the primaries and the secondary. when the primaries initially polarize the secondary and current begins to flow in the secondary and the load, a second field will form in the secondary opposing the flux change (Lenz Law). the primaries and the secondary part ways and it is the relative motion of the primaries being raised and lowered inducing motion into the secondary across the Electric field formed from the magnetic field of the primaries. the tighter the magnetic field lines are compressed the more intense the electric field becomes.

the secondary opposing field is what is pushed across the electric field the length of the core giving the illusion or virtual motion of the secondary to the Electric field.

in the graph the center field is the results of the Lenz Law when current flows and an opposing field is formed. it is this field that is swept from side to side.

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Aetherholic posted this 13 July 2018

First coil wound

another 20 to go...........

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Vince posted this 14 July 2018

Thank you MM for your offer of help.  I do understand the relationship between the primaries etc and have done for quite some time.  That is not what I needed your help with.

I  simply wasn't sure what you were trying to say.  I don't necessarily entirely agree with the conventional view of all things in electromagnetics or science in general but I do find that convention is still quite useful when trying to convey information or an idea.  Your ways of explaining things involve language and concepts that are quite foreign to convention MM.  When you write "relative motion of the primaries being raised and lowered inducing motion into the secondary"  in reference to completely stationary objects it is quite confusing.  I am not obliged to learn your special use of language.

With all due respect, I am not trying to actually replicate Figuera's generator.  Perhaps I should have stated that previously.  The underlying principals that Figuera developed re the relationship between his primaries and secondary will never change.  However that was over 112 years ago and we have methods available today that were not available at that time. 

Personally I am trying to use what I can of each to achieve the same overall result.  Perhaps that is not what you yourself or some others are doing and I respect that entirely.  However, that it is what I am doing, and I ask that you respect that too.

 

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Marathonman posted this 18 July 2018

This graph depicts the the exact thing that is happening in the Figuera part G device.

as the brush is rotating the winding count changes per that side of the brush separated by two north opposing fields. as the magnetic field to current ratio is either increased or decreased per side it changes the opposition to current flow. the more the magnetic field linking loops the less current flow, the less magnetic field linking loops the more current will flow.

each loop added to that side of the brush will add to the magnetic field to current ratio so according to Faraday's Laws any change in magnetic field induces EMF which according to Faraday's Laws of induction to occur a magnetic field change has to take place in which it just did.  according to the Lenz Law it will be opposite to the original current flow which will reduce the original current flow as more loops are added and increase the current flow the more loops are subtracted.

each time the side that adds magnetic linking loops and current is reduced,  it will release the reduced current potential from the magnetic field into the system combined with the reducing primary's reduced potential will off set the rising side potential drop.

each time the side that subtracts magnetic linking loops and current is increased,  it will store into the magnetic field for the next half cycle of reduction causing a voltage drop on that half of the system.

each side of the system will off set each other so the added secondary loop back will cause the losses to be replaced and amplification within part G to the rising side of the system.

Regards,

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Marathonman posted this 22 July 2018

Bad new is the CNC guys are not going to do my brush holder. the good news is i found another CNC shop 5 miles from my house and Thursday i have an appointment with them and will have my new brush holder soon there after. i am so excited i can hardly sit still as they said no problem.

next Sunday i should be able to post some pics of my progress. (FINALLY) Oh, and my 14 awg wire will be here tomorrow. YAHOO !.

Regards,

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Marathonman posted this 24 July 2018

Very Gracious of you and excepted.

At first i to was taken by the drawing many years ago and even made a small device with resistance wire but it got very hot in 5 minutes of usage.

upon further research i noticed the patent said, and i Quote; "R" the resistance is drawn in it's elementary manor to facilitate the Comprehension of the entire system."  I then noticed the wire in the R section was wavy like wire loops with this and it being in it's elementary manor it was quite evident it was not a resistor network. given the fact of this and resistance creates a lot of heat and losses there was not doubt it was an inductor as there is no way a Physics Professor would use a heat death part in his device..

So i  began researching Inductors, Self Inductance and the Lenz Law and low and behold i came across this years ago in Wikipedia,   "Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current"

and

"The inductance of a coil can be increased by placing a magnetic core of ferromagnetic material in the hole in the center. The magnetic field of the coil magnetizes the material of the core, aligning its magnetic domains, and the magnetic field of the core adds to that of the coil, increasing the flux through the coil. This is called a ferromagnetic core inductor. A magnetic core can increase the inductance of a coil by thousands of times..

There are many other examples i can post but i am sure you get the drift as i am sure i already posted them. 

I then began to do bench tests to verify this very Phenomenon and Bingo ! I found that a moving positive brush will in fact change the current on regular basis if and only if the brush contact stays in motion.

this is called magnetic flux linking that changes with the brush movement  that add or subtracts winding's to that side of the brush. with each magnetic link it changes the intensity of the magnetic field thus in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction to occur as all it stated is a change in magnetic field.

in this case it will oppose the original current flow and amplified by the magnetic iron core. using thick wire you will achieve a very lossless near perfect Inductor that store and releases potential exactly when needed.

With AC the current change causes induction to occur with DC the change in the circuit causes the Induction to occur.

I rest my case.

as soon as my brush holder is done and built it, i will release a video that shows the world just what an active Inductor can do. with lights replacing the Primaries for a good visual representation in complete Unison. 

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 30 July 2018

It is really simple folks.
if you have X amount of loops on an iron core the self induction will be X amount that opposes the current flow. if the contact is stationary the current flow will equalize to a steady state.
if you add winding's to the coil the self Inductance will in fact have changed as adding loops changed the magnetic flux to current ratio causing an even larger current reduction then it to will equalize to a steady state.

if you move the contact on a continuous basis adding or subtracting loops, the self Induction will in fact change on a steady basis which will be opposing to the original current flow. so in doing so an EMF is produced in the circuit that opposes the original DC current flow because the magnetic flux has changed and this change according to Faraday's Laws of Induction will cause an EMF to occur that will be opposing to the original current flow.

static self induction taken to an active self induction with the rotation of a positive brush will in fact control current flow by changing the magnetic flux to current ratio which is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction.
anyone stating otherwise is just fooling themselves and others.

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Marathonman posted this 05 August 2018

When the brush is in motion there will be North><North fields at the brush keeping each side of the Inductor separate. when the brush moves, 3,600 RPM US 3,000 RPM all others, adding one link to that side of the system it is adding to the intensity of the magnetic field , increasing magnetic flux to current ratio, as the current is the same in that loop. when you increase the magnetic field you will in fact cause an EMF to occur which is in exact accordance with Faraday's Laws of Induction. this EMF Induced will be in the opposite direction of the original current flow thus reducing the original current flow as each subsequent loops are added.
as each subsequent loop is added or subtracted to that side of the brush causes an increase or decrease in the magnetic field that induces an EMF to oppose the original current flow. the more loops that are added the less the original current flow, the less loops the more current will flow.


this method used by Figuera is changing the magnetic flux to current ratio which in in exact accordance with Faraday's Laws of induction that simply states there has to be a change in the magnetic field for Induction to take place. so as the brush moves so does the change in the intensity of the magnetic field on either side of the brush causing the reverse EMF to oppose the original current flow.

each time a loop is added to that side of the system the magnetic field will increase and the current flow through that side of the system will decrease and since the current is decreasing it will release that reduced portion of the magnetic field in the form of a potential into the system to off set the rising side of the system.

each time a loop is subtracted from the other side of the system the magnetic field will decrease and the current flow through that side of the system will increase and since the current is increasing it will be storing into the magnetic field for the next half cycle. each time it stores into the magnetic field there will be a potential drop on that side of the system which is off set by the reducing side of the system.

the secondary feed back being just like a standard generator is there to replace the losses occurred and to give rise to amplification to the rising primaries.

in the event of the reduction of current flow through the primaries the intensity of the magnetic field will be reduced thus just like part G Inductor, will release that reduced portion of it's magnetic field in the form of potential combined with part G's reduced potential that off set the rising side of the system. the potential within the exciting system is never depleted and is recycled just like a standard generator system.
each part of the system being the exciting system or the Induced system are separate systems and once the polarization takes place in the Figuera system they part ways and it is just the relative motion of the primaries that impart motion into the secondaries through the coherent Electric fields from both the primaries combined.

'L" change over time causes "I" change over time. if one changes so does the other as our universe is constant. if "I" changes so does "L" thus universal.


Regards,
Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 25 August 2018

Here is the finished new bobbin. all i need now is a light sand and paint then its wind time. these babies are so strong i can not crush with my hands. so great to wind on.

total cost to build is around $1.00  to $1.50 per bobbin.

 

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Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 27 August 2018

Yay ! Dremel to the rescue. i figuered the main tool is ok but the little attachments are total junk so i picked up an actual Dremel tool kit and voila, i got the bobbin ready for winding.

last pic is the first layer.

You sure get what you pay for these days.

regards,

Marathonman

 

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Marathonman posted this 29 August 2018

At the third layer and everything is going very well. the bobbins i make are so strong they can withstand a lot of punishment and are definitely easy to wind compared to winding directly on the core. leaves room for adjustments on the core also. one thing i did do different is add a second ring to the wire end for more support because of the weakening after i cut the four groves for the wire. much stronger than my last ones.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Aetherholic posted this 30 August 2018

I am also busy building....

First completed triplet:

In position on the frame:

And yes, the threaded rods and nuts and washers are non magnetic stainless steel.

 

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Marathonman posted this 30 August 2018

Another thing i must bring up is the vicinity of each core in relation to each other. if the cores are near each other they will pick up additional magnetic fields from the core next to it. this will not only slightly increase that output but keep all fields that could potentially be slightly off to align with the field next to it.

the pic below is the most efficient way to position the cores. that way each core can align with the field next to it and pick up additional magnetic/electric fields. this first pic will of course not have holes to tap as that would diminish the magnetic field. it could be a threaded rod on the outside on the frame to secure. this small unit can easily be made to output 7,000 watts or more in a very small foot print.

regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 30 August 2018

I found this item at a surplus site, just look at the craftmanship of this device. would make an outstanding part G.

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Marathonman posted this 01 September 2018

one last coat of resin to give my coils an added protection. i also added another layer set to my secondaries which will be looped back to part G for self running. so i have two sets of secondaries, one for output and the other for loop back. this of course can be delt with in many ways not just the way i am doing it. it is just for test purposes.

 

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Marathonman

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EmilP posted this 05 September 2018

MM

 

I understand 3 important things:

1. Winding coils on the primary coil are made on parallel-linked groups to reduce electrical resistance and to react quickly.

2. Coil winding to the secondary coil supplying the G-part is winding separately on the secondary.

3. Arrangement of Primary and Secondary Coils sufficiently close enough to benefit from natural ferromagnetic resonance (a very important thing!).  

I am always amazed at Marathonman's deep understanding of the Figuera device.  

Regards,

EmilP

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Marathonman posted this 05 September 2018

EmilP;

  "1. Winding coils on the primary coil are made on parallel-linked groups to reduce electrical resistance and to react quickly."

EXACTLY, this equates to not only less losses through heat from resistance but as you have observed they will react very quickly to the current changes brought on by part G. part G controls the current flow NOT the primaries so as such they should be wound SPECIFICALLY as electromagnets with as little resistance as possible.

"2. Coil winding to the secondary coil supplying the G-part is winding separately on the secondary."

this can be delt with in various ways so as a precaution i am winding two output coils on the secondary for testing purposes. as i have stated before if part G is plowed full of power the device will surely die and have to be restarted. one must remember that there are three forms or power,  the reducing primary,  the reducing side of part G and the secondary loop back. all three must just add up to the potential drop of the rising side plus the peak of the rising primaries. to much the device dies and to little the device will not self sustain.

"3. Arrangement of Primary and Secondary Coils sufficiently close enough to benefit from natural ferromagnetic resonance (a very important thing!)."

Exactly,  that is why i used resin to attach the cores together. if there was a gap between the cores the flux losses would be to high and the output would suffer substantially. the use of resin or some type of epoxy also has another benefit and that is to stop eddy currants and Hysteresis from the secondary entering the primaries.  this would reduce the effectiveness of the primaries and their sole purpose of being electromagnets with the highest flux possible.

The primaries would be the best electromagnets if using solid cores but the use of laminated for the secondaries is a must as so i have found out. this reduces eddy currents and hysteresis thus increasing the output substantially.

Very good observations.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

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Marathonman posted this 22 September 2018

Three ways to increase your electromagnet strength and speed of the reaction of the primaries.

  1. Reduce resistance. Self explanatory.
  2. Another way of increasing the current is to use a higher electromotive force, or voltage. The relevant formula is V=IR, the definition of resistance. If V is the drop in electric potential over the entire circuit, and R is the resistance over the entire circuit, the current (I) through any point of the circuit can be increased by an increase in the applied voltage. this is why Figuera used 100 volts and the fact that the secondary feed back to part G with the other added potentials equates to the amplification factor adding to the peak of the rising primaries.
  3. using DC instead of AC. (Self explanatory) the main reason all generators use DC to excite it's electromagnets. AC has to flip all the magnetic domains thus takes a considerable time to do so and will loose induction in the process. thus the reason DC is much more superior in every way and why Figuera used DC in his device.

       Regards.

       Marathonman

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Aetherholic posted this 27 September 2018

A quick update.

All 7 triplets are now wired and mounted, the part G mechanics are assembled and tested, the part G core is wound and polished.

All that is left now is final assembly of the part G mechanics into the frame and completing the wiring.

I still need to design a few laser cut parts for wiring mounting panels and display panels to hold meters and switches.

Once I have been able to test output I can then sort out the power supply for the motor for looped back running.

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Marathonman posted this 27 September 2018

That is outstanding to hear Aetherholic, been running on four to five hours sleep in four days so not much happening on this end. working this weekend will help me in my plight.

I am told things happen for a reason but i am at a loss for words about my situation.

nice build Aetherholic.

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Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 28 September 2018

Outstanding build Aetherholic and i see they are grouped together quite nicely. very good point to bring up as your build is vertical as it can be any orientation the builder likes. i am curious as to the diameter of your brush travel on part G.

very nice build and i love the 3D printed parts.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Aetherholic posted this 28 September 2018

Marathonman

The brush diameter is about 100mm, The design criteria was to give me 1/4 : 3/4 ratio inductance at the extremes of the travel. This was based on simulation data. Maybe right, maybe wrong so we will see upon first testing. Now just waiting on some more buss bar connectors to arrive then I can start testing. The BDLC motor and driver work great, stable 3000 rpm taking about 70W of power. Waiting for 48 hours for that epoxy to dry and then watching the CNC polishing to see if I got it right was pure torture but the sense of achievement when it worked out ok was pure joy. Thats the great thing about this device, one has to be skilled in so many disciplines to get to a final build. And learning the skills is a great experience. I trashed 30kg of wire during the coil winding process for the triplets. I am sure if I had your patience to hand wind the result would have been much better.

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Aetherholic posted this 30 September 2018

I finished the basic wiring and ran part G for the first time with amperage from an external supply.

After some sparking which required brush pressure adjustment the brush was run at 12 amps with no sparks which gives an average of 6 amps each coil set. The output is a nice clean AC so now I can continue to wire up the commutator and other slip rings.

So far so good. The motor requires slightly more current at the new brush pressure so I measured 100W in, 4W out without any of the other connections so I am happy with this at this point as the primaries need much more current than 6A.

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Aetherholic posted this 30 September 2018

Chris

With this device sparking is specifically prohibited as it causes field collapse. The DC field needs to be present at all times just like a standard generator and because of the huge inductance when a full set of coils is operating any slight chance to spark causes a huge discharge destroying the DC field. Even at just half an amp the discharge is huge.

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Marathonman posted this 01 October 2018

The original replicator shared some info to me a long time ago and that was buffing or grinding the part G brush surface at the speed the brush rotates. this alleviated all sparking issues and was completely blown away by the lack of brush wear. so to me surface prep is paramount.

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Marathonman posted this 02 October 2018

You have to realize that Figuera more than likely use Zeiss to manufacture the core and they were absolute precision devices for sure. if you look at the circle at the top of Zeiss you will be quite surprised at the level of genius.

Sorry, no sparking allowed and i beg to differ, the machining back then was quite amasing.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Aetherholic posted this 06 October 2018

Marathonman

I think we are all sorry to hear this news, no one should have to suffer this especially when they are so close to a working device and have shared so much. I am continuing the build so hopefully we can bring Figuera to life at last one way or another.

Never give up, never surrender.

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Peter posted this 08 October 2018

Marathonman,  that's really sad to hear mate. I wish you the very best, and i hope you get back on your feet real soon..

Aetherholic.  WOW that's really outstanding.  I just got my iron cores, and i'm winding my primaries. just have a question about the commutator for the feedback. The secondary loopback get's commutated (rectified) and put back into Part G.  are the angles of 135 45-135-45 still o.k to use on this commutator.? dId you make this commutator so you can rotate it freely to finetune it's position.? 

Could you maybee post another picture of your commutators and connections (close-up)  .. would be great..

 

Happy building.

Peter

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Aetherholic posted this 08 October 2018

Peter

Great to hear you are still building. Your commutator position will depend upon the phase shifts in your particular build. 

In my system as it is there are two phase shifts. Both exciter signals are shifted 90 degrees with respect to the  part G brush. When the AC has a resistive load it is shifted another 90 degrees for at total shift of 180 degrees relative to the part G brush. 

I chose a combination of commutator and brush setup so that the brush width is exactly the segment width on the commutator. This means I only have two segments not connected. My commutator is movable with a designed interference fit on the shaft so it will never move once setup, it has to be adjusted with pliers holding it and turning the shaft.

With this setup I am switching at the zero crossing point so I get a perfect full wave rectified signal out of the two slip rings attached to the commutator. I have run this with 23A going through it without sparking at all.

I set it up by using low current and watching the chopped AC with a scope then adjusting until I got the perfect waveform coming out.

This is how I found the phase shifts and the need to run it with coils attached and a resistive load on the AC.

This means that at the moment I am pumping part G at the mid point of the exciter signals on the scope but as there is another 90 degrees shift in the core it will line up again.

If you get it wrong you will see flames, if you get it right there is zero sparking.

If you are using a toroid and a circular path on the toroid then your waveforms will be different.

I am only using one brush on my Part G.

What is your iron core material?

 

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Peter posted this 08 October 2018

Aetherholic,

 

Thanks for the quick responce. And thank you for elaborating..

I got hold of 130cm of iron rod  (60mm  diameter). Planning on annealing it prior to use

iron rod 60mm.. 

 

 

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Cornboy posted this 14 October 2018

 Thanks Chris, for this Forum it seems a haven for serious builders to share.

 Hi MM, chin up, and keep on going.

 Aetherholic, Great to see someone with build skills and work dedication like yours.

 Would like to ask you some build questions, if that's OK.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.smile

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Peter posted this 15 October 2018

Hi Aetherholic.

 

8 layers and 367 turns of 2.1 mm means your primary's are approx. 10cm length..  I cut my cores 9cm lenght.

Annealing them today .  Will use laminated MOT core's on secondary's.

Will post some more pictures later.

ps 'interesting anomalies' , can't wait what you'll find.. keep us posted..

Happy building...

 

Namaste.

 

Peter

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Marathonman posted this 15 October 2018

"Everyone's device will be different and will require experimentation."

Exactly as i have said from the start. each build even just slightly different will require a slight different adjustments of each part.

I am glad to hear your progress Aetherholic. what adjustment did you make to cause the rise in output. as we already know it takes so very little of adjustment to change the outcome.

Congrats ! the sharing of ones knowledge to better humanity is the very best gift of all.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 15 October 2018

Update

I now have 440W of excess power in the system.

 

 Wow silence is golden!!

 

 If you posted this on EF you would have an endless barrage of silly questions, and multiple Demands that you show proof.

 

 Well Done Chris, on this forum.

 

All the best Cornboy.  smile

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Aetherholic posted this 16 October 2018

Cornboy

Seems like you have a working secondary and definitely too much power being fed back. If there is the slightest interruption in contact with the brush you will get a fast inductive rise in voltage at the brush which will cause the airgap to arc over and hence the meltdown. I ran 23A through my brush to check its limits for current and heating effects to check that it wouldnt bind in the brush holder when it got hot and hence lose contact with the core.

Also check the phase of the AC relative to the commutator, you may find a shift.

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Cornboy posted this 20 October 2018

Cornboy

In my opinion and I think Marathonman's opinion too, EI cores can be used. If they laser cut the laminations you can have them make any size you want. You need the center leg fatter than the two outside legs. Follow what Marathonman has said about keeping everything adjustable including what he said about his C core where he can adjust the brush sweep diameter and his windings at each end. Its all about balancing inductances of primaries and the G core when it is operating which obviously will depend on your system as a whole.

 

 Thanks Aetherholic, when you wound your G core did you use the rectangle wire on edge?, and do you have more winding's at each end past the machined circle, along the I leg?

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

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Aetherholic posted this 20 October 2018

Cornboy

The wire is wound with the longest rectangle side flat to the core, my meager winding skills wont allow me to attempt to wind on edge, you will have to ask Marathonman if he thinks winding on edge would be useful. Yes the windings extend past the machined circle and were calculated to give me the inductance I wanted to balance the primaries and give the correct magnitude of AC but as there is a lot more going on in the core than appears, you should make everything adjustable. 

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Aetherholic posted this 22 October 2018

Cornboy

The speed I am running is 3000rpm for 50Hz, I didnt run at slow speed otherwise it would mess up the brush surface. Like any brush/commutator or slip ring a thin film of carbon will build up which is normal. There is very little wear on the brush so far as I am running it at a higher pressure than normal which is necessary to stop any sparking. The faster speed the more induction in the secondaries. If you see less induction then there are many causes for this too many to list.

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Hopeful1 posted this 29 October 2018

Good news MM. someone is looking after you.

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Aetherholic posted this 23 November 2018

Cornboy

Please look back in the posts and you will see I posted FEMM simulations for the triplets and discussed the fields.

For feedback I have the option of commutator, diodes or both. I was experimenting with all options to see the differences.

Brush based methods have the advantage of passing both hot and cold currents, only some semiconductors can pass the cold current. For figuerra we explicitly need zero sparking. The difference between sparking and not is huge, sparking is definitely useless in this system.

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Marathonman posted this 27 November 2018

This is good news Aetherholic just glad it was something simple.  what were the final specs on the cores?

if you plan on a 100 volt test i will be VERY much interested in that results, 

also how is your part G working out for you.?

Regards,

Marathonman

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Aetherholic posted this 27 November 2018

Marathonman

I ran a quick static test to confirm the field now agrees with simulation and then a test using Part G on a single triplet. With 14V 20A into Part G I got 20V AC output from the output coil. Now I am rebuilding the rest of the triplets and wiring them up as before so in a couple of days I hope to have some further results.

My Part G seems to be functioning well so we will see what happens now the cores have the correct field and I can start to apply the correct voltage for feedback.

Best regards,

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alset posted this 28 November 2018

This guy seems to use 100% Figuera teachings:
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg516346/#msg516346
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg517669/#msg517669
Just to show some posts that I found very interesting

Two electromagnets, one output intermediate coil, two exciting signals in counterphase, always positive and when one at maximun the other at minimum, electromagnets in repulsion... All Figuera teachings.  

Note that two AC signals where one is 90° unphased  with a capacitor when they are rectified they become in two 180° unphased signals, so when one is at maximum the other is at minimum

I was refering to the teachings described in the 1908 patent which I attach here (never it is late, even after 600 posts, that someone post the patent here)

 

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alohalaoha posted this 14 December 2018

Marathonman what kind of load Figuera device prefer pure resistive or mixed with capacitive and inductive component.

Would be very hard to tune output to pure resitive load Z= R +/- jx0 withouth network analyser. Figuera device is a partnered bucked system, so it is directly winding lenght dependent. As you already know partnered coils we can visualise like a short-circuited transmission line.

That's all. I didn't came here to bother you and make empty talks, only to hear from the first hand what do you think ?

Thanks for your detailed explanations and replies to my posts.

I wish you success, and good luck.

Reg.

Aloha

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Marathonman posted this 14 December 2018

No problem alohalaoha  any questions are not a bother and one must ask questions to learn.

Figuera  ran a 20 Hp motor and his street lights so i will leave you with your capacitive, inductive and purely resistive load question with an answer of all of them. 

my personal tests did not get that far but they will in the future.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Peter posted this 21 December 2018

Wishing all you builders  happy holidays( if you got one) and the best new year (with loads of excess energy).

Finished annealing my cores, got my copper wire. Christmas time is coil winding time   HOHOHO...

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Marathonman posted this 21 December 2018

Thank you Peter, and happy Holidays to you also.

it is good you have progress and i to am getting the bench back together.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE !

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 21 December 2018

Have great time off everyone, glad to see you back at it Peter and MM.

 I too will have a bit of play time shortly.

 

 Best regards  Cornboy.   smile

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Marathonman posted this 04 January 2019

Some might say that the Inverse Square Law doesn't apply to magnetism and that other Laws apply. i say BS. if it deals with the Electric fields, Radiation and such you can darn well bet it applies to the magnetic field also.

do the tests at your shop or home and verify what i have stated. my own tests proved the magnetic field conforms  to the Inverse Square Law to the Tee.  if you have a 3 inch primary your field emanating from that 3 inch core will only be 3 inches because it is reducing in intensity by the square of the distance.

so if you have a 3 inch primary and a 3 inch secondary the field at the end of the secondary emanating from the primary will will be BARELY detectable and in no way can you maintain the required pressure between your primaries. all you people thinking a 3 inch primary will project out 6 inches needs to rethink your approach as this will never happen in my life time, your life time or on Mars.

from now on make your primaries no less than double the length of your secondaries and your oyster will open.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2019

Members, builders and readers please do tests on your magnets and electromagnets to verify what i have been trying to convey to you that a magnetic field will only project out the actual lengrh of the core from whence it was born. Once you do this you will see why i said 2 to 1 ratio.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alset posted this 15 January 2019

Aetherholic,

Could you give us some tips based on your experience about how we should build this generator? Some ideas about things to do or to avoid?

Grateful for all info. Thanks in advance.

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Cornboy posted this 16 January 2019

alset

There is no blueprint for this device yet so my advice is do what I did first and spend time reading each and every post on this and other forums to see where successes and failures have been, work out why and then use this in your design. My tips at this particular moment in time would be dont use tesla winding as its not necessary, make sure you calculate the force on the brush due to rotation so it wont stick in the holder, use a c type core for part G, do hundreds of experiments to understand how the device is operating,

These tips are not gospel and may change so until we are at the stage where an idiots guide to building a working system is available everything is subject to change. I am trying to limit my posts to things which i know for certain are correct.

 

 Aetherholic, your tips obviously come from practical experimenting, Thanks.

 

 As i will soon have a go at winding 5 sets of primaries, what would you suggest as the best winding method, and how much DC resistance is acceptable for a primary coil.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Aetherholic posted this 17 January 2019

Cornboy

There are different ideas for the functioning of this device which will result in different needs for coil sizes. I cant give you a definitive answer yet but obviously what you must make sure of is that the output is able to generate enough amps and volts to power the field. Too high resistance or too low resistance will result in not being able to self excite. The other problem is that one set, two sets or a full number of sets will give you different results due to field interactions between the sets, some of benefit, some not, so the whole array arrangement is important.

I had hoped to have moved faster with the build but I have had a months delay so hopefully I will have more information soon. Dont rely on anything 100%, please do experiments to verify what you are building.

What i can say is that the final system is so close I can taste the OU, I have it in the system and with a non figuerra configuration so its all a question of balance. You will see it in various parts of your system as you progress.

I have absolutely no doubt that there will be success.

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Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

That will definitely be something that has to be tested. Per turn contact as with the brush gives a very linier rise and fall of current.

I personally will be sticking to mechanical device but will be giving others additional options.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alset posted this 24 January 2019

Sorry, but I do not understand your point. If you connect the positive and negative of the battery to the part G then you will be shortcircuiting the electromagnets. Maybe I interpreted it wrong. In the patent just the positive is connected the the rotating switch.

 

Could you provide an schematic of all the connections of part G and the electromagnets?

 

Aetherholic, Did you use one or two brushes in your part G?

 

Thanks and sorry if I misunderstood anything.

 

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Aetherholic posted this 25 January 2019

alset

I have one brush operating at the moment but I have the second brush available to use.

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alset posted this 25 January 2019

Thanks for your answers.

The simpler the better (KISS phylosophy), and matching with the patent even better!

Thanks.

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Marathonman posted this 28 January 2019

The patent says brush or Group of brushes, imagine that.

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alset posted this 28 January 2019

The secondary output is AC. It can not used directly as feedback to the primaries unless you convert it to DC. Imagine that too.

 

If you read Buforn patents you will note that he used two secondaries: one for net output power and , another , smaller, to be converted to DC and used as feedback.

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Marathonman posted this 29 January 2019

Alset:

I am sure Glad you shared that with me as i never would of figured that out by myself.

i have been pursuing this device for 6 years and can probably quote every word in the patent and i care not mix words with you.  i am well aware of the secondary feed back that is commutated then feed into part G. yes Buforn did mention a secondary which is viable option or even a dedicated secondary but you have to remember Buforn was NOT a Physics Professor like Figuera was as he was just a financial backer. yes he did add a few more bread crumbs but them again he was just a financial backer and his subsequent patents were actually null and void as they infringed on the 1908 patent.

If you actually read this thread in it's entirety you will learn what you are mentioning was shared quite a long time ago by myself and it is not I that needs to catch up to present day mind set thank you.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 05 February 2019

And i will gladly be here Peter to aide any and all.

Thank you kindly.

getting bids on core material as we speak from Bridgeport Magnetic's and Temple Transformer.

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 10 February 2019

 Thanks MM, i think.

 I am well aware of what you have been trying to teach, after all, i have been on the Figuera device for a few years now, with UFO, and yourself.

 I am determined to go this path to prove for Myself, that i can stick to one path, and see it to completion, and not keep chopping and changing, also i have limited budget for the next couple of years, starting a new farm from scratch at 65 is not easy, and i am using what i have on hand.

 Please prove me wrong and build a working device based on your teachings, and i will drop everything, even borrow funds, and follow exactly your build.

 Regards  Cornboy  smile