Clemente Figuera

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Wistiti posted this 09 January 2018

 

 

Hi guys!

In the past I play a bit with the Figuera concept. It use the POC as we already know the potential. I think this guy, Marathonman, understand the principe behind the Figuera device...

Chris, if there already a tread about Clemente Figuera, feel free to move this at the good place!

 

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Chris posted this 16 July 2019

My Friends,

Information I have received, Marathonman is going else where.

It appears the rules here are intolerable.

I wish him Luck in his endeavors. All his followers, I also wish Luck.

I am locking this thread, for the likes of Aetherholic and others that have greater understanding and working machines, I ask please create new threads on your machines when you are ready.

   Chris

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Chris posted this 15 July 2019

Marathonman,

I edited your post, took out the abuse of another Aboveunity.com Member - Another Rule broken!

I apologise, I did not mean anything by the statements I made! I will change it now!

I don't have a problem with the views at all. I do not measure by Number, I measure by Quality and also Response.

Marathonman, you were way off topic, and had done so on many occasions, and you already broke other rules, and, like others on this form, including myself ( Ask SL ), for being OFF TOPIC, Posts have been deleted.

Thing is Marathonman, you're the first person to complain if others come to this thread and post off topic information!

Rules are Rules, if you cant stick to the Rules, then you know where the door is!

I am no Dictator, I am a Moderator! I moderate, for Momentum, The Figurea Thread was going pear shaped and I see no point on wasting others Time!

I am getting wary Marathonman, I do not have to put up with this behaviour! I have better things to do!

Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole and get on with your life long task!

   Chris

 

P.S: Two more Posts I now have to delete!

Marathonman posted this 15 July 2019

Hey Chris do you think you can demean me further in public. for one I DID NOT BEG FOR DONATIONS, i simply asked people to become active in these type of devices which has many forms. in your warped thinking you took as direct begging which you are wrong.

i personally think you have issues with this thread having 38K excuse me 39K views while yours are barely braking 5k and now you want me gone. and you wonder where all your visitors came for.

please stop acting like Aaron or Stephen it's not very becoming of you. i came here because i was under the impression we had room to express ourselves within certain limits. WELL that sure got thrown out the window didn't it. NOW there are suddenly stipulation being brought to the table that stifle ones own expression of the device for which they are working on..

it's rather disgusting knowing how may tens of thousands of hours i have put into the understanding and testing of this device to be demeaned in public just because i posted a few slightly off topic posts that actually related to the thread. hell just delete the whole thread as i am sure that would make you much more happy. never mind i will.

you make a great dictator Chris

PS. just so people know, Aetherholic is. he is tying to patent a variant of part G and even told me so in a PM. after all i have done for this thread and the Figuera device towards enlightening the world how this device operates. is that disgusting or what.

Marathonman

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Chris posted this 15 July 2019

Admin Note: 

I have deleted several posts for breaking the Forum Rules.

  • Stay on topic.
  • No asking for Donations.
  • Think of other Members.

 

I expect all Members to be respectful and considerate of other Members! Be considerate!

   Chris

alset posted this 03 July 2019

Hi all,

 

A very simple way to get some electromagnets. Please watch the video below. Electromagnets can be easily got from ballasts of fluorescent lights (reactances). In the video ballasts from junkyard (70 W and 230 volts) from street ligths are cut to get the electromagnets.

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Marathonman, two questions:

-Your part G has a fixed number of turns and thus a fixed impedance. How will you tune the impedance of the part G to get the proper ratio I_max/I_min in the electromagnets?

-Could you post a wiring diagram of your system? I can not get the idea of your power supply with resistor. I thought that the input current was simple DC which could be obtained with a variac and a bridge rectifier. Can you post a wiring diagram of your whole proposal?

 

Thanks in advance

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Vasile posted this 01 July 2019

I can relate to what you are saying, sure there are a lot twisted things in this world as you have enumerated some of them. I too have tryed to change things around me, mainly people. But it didn't went that well and the reason I haven't succeded is because of me. I didn't do it right. That I can tell you with 100% certainty.

You see, aside the bad things in life there are also the good ones, like the laws that govern nature in general. Think about the beauty of a plant, the consistency of the suns movement or simply the fact of being alive, being conscious. So if things are the way they are, is most probably due to a main cause. Most of the people in this world are like ships without guidence and they go where the general stream of water takes them. If you don't like where the general stream of water goes, then do something about it. If you look back in history, it was always the power of small groups of people and there ideas that produced the most radical changes in the world.

All the best,

Vasile

 

Cornboy posted this 28 June 2019

 Hi All, some shots of my mini coil setup.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 27 June 2019

 Thanks for doing that Aetherholic, much appreciated.

 Thanks for the explanation MM, and nice job on coils.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

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Dadrev posted this 27 June 2019

@ Aetherholic

A nice job!!

Seven groups of inductor-induced in honeycomb. A super professional job!

Dadrev

Saludos...

Aetherholic posted this 27 June 2019

Cornboy

Part G wire 93 turns 2mm x 1mm rectangular enameled copper 2.5mm spacing.

Build sequence:

1. Support the core on 2 empty wire spools

2. Epoxy 2 3D printed wire guides one each side and wait 24 hours for cure.

3. Start to wind the core.

4 Finish the wind.

5. Coat the windings liberally with epoxy. use 2 1mm PTFE sheets and two aluminium plates and clamp as hard as possible.

Leave 2 days to cure.

6. Remove the clamps etc. and clean up.

7. CNC the surface 0.05mm at a time until all wires exposed.

8. Mount on the frame.

9.  Mount the Part G head and finish up the wiring.

 

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 27 June 2019

 Looks great MM, very neat.

 Any chance of a diagram of your power supply?.

 Regards and thanks,  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 27 June 2019

 Bloody hard stuff to work with MM, clamping it together and holding it flat while you epoxy it will be a challenge, maybe Aetherholic could shed some light, after doing his.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile 

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Cornboy posted this 24 June 2019

 Nice work Peter, great to see you at it again.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile 

Cornboy posted this 23 June 2019

 Neat Job MM, i hate winding coils!.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile  

Chris posted this 16 June 2019

@OurBobby - I have PM'd you my reply so as to not clog up the thread.

   Chris

Ourbobby posted this 16 June 2019

Hello Chris,

                   Thank you for your concern. I seem to have my own peculiar way of doing things. Well so my father used to tell me!

I pretty much understand what is going on with the build, and i think i understand the concept behind the elevated voltage with the primaries. i think this might be a method of producing reactive power.  At first i was convinced that the Figuera device had to have some sort of radiant output, i am not so sure now. however, Tesla's remarks have a habit of lingering within ones memory. i will keep building and pop in to see how marathonman's progress is going in case i have detoured too much, if at all. unfortunately i am not able to build as quickly as others. my other present commitments are profound.

Thank you for your comments

 

ourbobby

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Cornboy posted this 16 June 2019

 Hi All, primaries are cut and machined all the same length, ( within about 5 thou ).

 Secondaries bobbins i bought online from China, closest i could find, then cut them down and made correct spacers for desired length.

 So on to winding the secondaries, and making their cores.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

 

 

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Cornboy posted this 15 June 2019

 MM.

 The coils are 40mm long, the cores are 75mm long, and are laminated.

 Wire is 18g , 7mh inductance, 0.6ohm  dcr.

 Still a bit of work to do on these, like machining one end of the core flat and trimming the cores to the right length and all equal length, but still very economical.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 15 June 2019

 Hey All, this almost feels like cheating, compared to you MM, it is a very easy and cheap option for anyone for testing on a lot of projects.

 Off the shelf audio inductors, for around $12.00 AU each, including cores.

 When i asked my au supplier can you move the coil along the core he tried and said definitely not, so i ordered one and found a way without any damage, then ordered 12.

 I am saving the left over cores after cutting them, to place in the centers of the secondaries, which are a loose fit, and then filling them with a mixture of iron dust and epoxy, to make filled cores.

 All the Best  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 14 June 2019

 Hi All, a small success with my new Commutator, still loosing contact, will run it for a few hours to seat the brushes and then see.

 

 

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Chris posted this 11 June 2019

Hi Ourbobby,

I hear you and sympathize with your position.

For the sake of progress, for the sake of time to catch up, allowing others to carry on, I feel, because all this will be for the future, and can be read at anytime, until you're able to catch up, then a new Thread is the best option.

I do not think you're a Troll, although I thought initially you had come to cause trouble. I see now I was wrong.

I am happy to help you create your own thread. MM might be happy to help you separately on your own thread?

Lets allow others carry on with little distraction for the mean time?

   Chris

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Ourbobby posted this 11 June 2019

I did not know that this thread was for exclusive intellects use only. just because someone struggles at times with concentration and new concepts does not make them a troll. This is not an easy thread to follow for every one. some of the concepts require a special understanding to master completely. Some of us have trouble going from topic to topic. I do what i can, i have copied the thread completely and constantly search it for help. it is when i cannot find what i am looking for that questions arise. i am inclined to say F... You, but i would like to see if this device works. 

Just tell me and i won't bother any of you again. snide comments are never helpful and show a complete disregard and lack of empathy with others. i am always polite and chose never to criticise others attempts.

ourbobby

 

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JohnStone posted this 11 June 2019

Want to share some knowledge regarding chokes.

Normally the core at chokes has a tiny air gap in order to get a linear behaviour. This is essential for audio circuits. On other hand for power supplies a linear behaviour is not important. So we can use an old trick.

Grab a transormer and short circuit the high voltage winding. Use the low voltage winding as choke. You will be amazed how sturdy this pet can be. Most sturdy will be a MOT. Amazingly this short circuit does not behave like so. It just allows the magnetic flux to continue as long it feels to be necessary.

In old times when they still had that POTS (plain old telephone) system they had special relays with considerable delayed reaction. The only trick used was to cover the winding with a sleeve of copper. 

Please study the notions of Chris regarding short circuited windings in his setups. Look up Utkin's paper for same reason.

In part G we might have similar ingredients. The contact - make before brake - enables constantly one shorted winding traveling round the core. One effect is that the current will never be interupted totally and the flux can make use of one shorted winding in order to continue - hence less overvoltage at the contacts.
I am not sure if this ingredient has further effects but it might have. Food for thoughts for all of us.

Ourbobby posted this 11 June 2019

 

good news, i have tracked down some eco-fi, so my specs will be follows marathonman. will order it online. likely a week before it arrives. i am wondering if the dielectric constant of this material with the epoxy coating is going to affect the coils outputs, as it is likely it could react with the voltage and current changes. also, i was thinking of using either copper or aluminium sheet as the support for the bobbin, and then wind the eco-fi onto this substrate and then the epoxy.

 

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Cornboy posted this 11 June 2019

 No Stopping you now MM, could you please supply specs or part numbers of the components you are using for power supply.

 

 Thanks  Cornboy.  smile

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Chris posted this 10 June 2019

Hi Ourbobby,

From today forward, can you please post to your own thread. If you need help creating a new thread for yourself, I can help you. PM Me please for assistance.

I don't want to ban you, as I am not sure you're here causing trouble, I want to give you a chance.

If you're on your own Thread, then MM wont see your effort as a distraction, you can post your progress individually.

   Chris

Ourbobby posted this 09 June 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            my schedule at the moment is littered with objects that i have to remember. i am reminded of a russian biography of the mnemonic man, "The Mind of a Mnemonist" , who for example, would set up  say a shopping street he knew well and walk along the street placing objects into the shops. to recall the objects he would walk back up the street. too easy for some. a bit like rote learning times tables. not done these days.  for myself at the moment time sharing is a good description. once i get figueras generator going, then thedesire for detailed knowledge will kick in.

here is a photo of the first casting of my laminations. i will cut the cores to size from the cured block. one more block to epoxy. actually there is a slight variation with the laminations finished height is about 32.5mm. my wife is complaining about the smell!

ourbobby

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Chris posted this 09 June 2019

I agree whole heartedly MM!

Time is critical for so many these days, but if people want it, then Time is necessary to learn and absorb critical information!

Work is required by those that wish to learn, there are no shortcuts! Shortcuts results in failure and there is no excuse for failure with so much information available today!

   Chris

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Ourbobby posted this 08 June 2019

Hi marathonman,

                           thanks for the explanation. it is possible to read/consume a total thread and be non the wiser. unless one was a demon with a photographic memory with instant recall. not me unfortunately. i return to areas i think are relevant on the thread. such is the lot of a student. 

this weekend i am epoxying the laminations. i have only 164 laminations  (33x0.33 x 520) that i was able to rescue from the wreckers. this will just enable 16 x 52mm long cores and 8 x 26m cores with a 27mm thickness. so if i need to extend the primaries i will have to use a different core material. this should be enough for the pilot project.

regards

ourbobby

 

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Dadrev posted this 08 June 2019

@MM

Gracias por este post tan explicativo y conciso. Creo que todos agradecemos su esfuerzo. 

Dadrev

Saludos...

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Ourbobby posted this 06 June 2019

This is what i was thinking with the two stepping procedures. if 1 is first primary and 16 is last primary then there are two sequences to my mind.

1)   1 - 9, 2 -10 , 3 - 11, .......8 - 16

2)   1 - 16, 2 - 15, 3 - 14,.... 8 - 9.

To my mind there might be a difference in the output as the "resistance" is shared differently between the two stepping procedures. ididn't express myself very well before.

 

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Ourbobby posted this 06 June 2019

so the aztecy drawing at the top left is a simulation of what should be occuring?

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Ourbobby posted this 05 June 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            thanks for the reply. i am uploading a image from patent. as you will see there are couple of drawings of connection. one aztecy looking drawing that indicates looping for each n or s row of coils. with the numbering its all about setting up the buffers for direction of switching. for example, i think it is possible to run this in a parallel fashion with the two north faces from adjacent coils stepping through. but as i am following your argument, it is important to get the correlation of coils in the correct sequence, eg 1 and 16. so is it the counting as shown on the connection of this image i have uploaded. that is position of first and last primary coil=1 and 16?

on the laminations, the welder has been sitting at the wreckers for some time and there is lots of fine rust formed between laminations. so i must clean this off and then repaint. issue is best good thin paint type that will also hold lams together while i play with the cores.

thank you

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Ourbobby posted this 05 June 2019

Hello,

         I wonder if I might ask two questions. first from which end of the parallel primaries do we count 1 to16. is is sequential like a dil ic? Or is it start again at the top on the other side? the other relates to the laminations. i am recovering some from an old welder. they are 38mm wide by 0.33mm thick. i don't think they are grain oriented, though they are not SS. i have decided to rewind all my bobbins to reduce the volume of questions i might ask using solid cores if my results are poor. generally paint seems to be used as the separating medium when compressing laminations into the forme. would this be all that is needed?

I have my digital driver set up and working courtesy creasysee, working on the power supply. i should have my ready by summer which is a long time away for me!

thank you

ourbobby

 

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Cornboy posted this 05 June 2019

 Smooth as silk MM, good job.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Cornboy posted this 04 June 2019

Very nice build skills Cornboy looks very good.

i am curious as to no windings on part G so are you connecting it to a wired core for a two piece part G?

good idea about the modified inductors, will be easier if all the wiring is at the non secondary end and i see you implemented 2 to 1 ratio, very good.

i also realize you have some really nice tools to work with, must be nice.

keep up the great work.

Regards,

 

Marathonman

 

 

 Hi MM, yes 2 part G + R, hopefully i will be able to try several different open and closed core magnetic resistances, to feed the primaries, including a split toroid  and c core.

 Keeping everything small to start with to keep cost down.

 Thanks  Cornboy,  smile

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Cornboy posted this 04 June 2019

 Hello All, finally got some time to play with my commutator, it is set up with Positive and negative feed back comm switch, and the feedback timing will be adjustable a full 180 degrees, just need to fit housing into a stand of some sort.

 Will be building 6 x coil triplets from modified audio crossover inductors with laminated cores for the inducers, and modified, shortened bobbins with as many offcuts from lams from the crossovers, that can fit, and then filling the air pockets with iron dust and epoxy.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

 

 

 

Vidura posted this 02 June 2019

Great , and very skilled building MM. I'm eager to see the first tests of this beauty all assembled!

Regards Vidura

Ourbobby posted this 02 June 2019

Actually, 8 or 16 Ir2101 will work. the issue i see is the driver going through high-low and returning low-high with 8 drivers or with 18 going through high-low and returning high-low from the offset on the parallel series of magnets. i might think that the 16 would give a more pronounced ac wave as opposed to a shorter ac wave from 8 drivers. a suck it and see scenario methinks.

 

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Ourbobby posted this 01 June 2019

Hello,

          my build is further delayed. i only order 10 Ir2101 drivers when reviewing driver circuit i will need 16 drivers. 2 drivers for each set of primary magnets. have ordered extra so i can build extra magnets into the build later on.

will report when build complete.

regards

ourbobby. 

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JohnStone posted this 23 May 2019

Hi Cornboy :-) Thank you for your warm welcome. Great you are active here! Looking forward for collective success.

Cornboy posted this 23 May 2019

 Welcome John Stone, great to have you here old friend, your electronics experience will be very handy for a digital version of the device, i am sure you will be able to help.

 Please read right through the thread, as there is invaluable info here.

 

 Welcome aboard John. 

 

 Warmest Regards  Cornboy.  smile

JohnStone posted this 23 May 2019

Hi all,

Finally I arrived here where Figuera cause is still alive :-) Some of you contributors might know me from other threads. I was silent now for several years but now - after my retirement - I search for new shores and want to deal with Figuera implementation.

I am a trained electronics engineer. But I know very well, that my training coverd a small part of the reality only. So please understand that I will be mostly silent for now while reading the wealth of contributions and learning basics of figuera configuration in my lab.

Thank you all for your contributions that gave me a steep learning curve up to now. 

Rgds

John

Ourbobby posted this 22 May 2019

Thank you for your positive comments. it seems that you are a very capable person. it is a pity that you offer abuse to many people on different forums. earlier in the thread you quote a generous and caring approach. so why now the mr bad guy? on another forum you actually threatened to shoot someone. i know that this is not the real you. the real you is a thoughtful caring person. i must wonder if there is a deeper reason for your outbursts. Anyway, i shall keep my secrets to myself. i personally do not have your intellect and scientific knowledge. you must wonder why people leave threads when offered an opportunity not to be missed?

 

ourbobby

Dadrev posted this 22 May 2019

@ourbody En el hilo se mencionan varias configuraciones de las conexiones eléctricas con la parte G. En la patente de Figuera, a la parte G sólo llega la fase a través de la escobilla, la cual, mediante el giro sobre los hilos, reparte mayor o menor corriente hacia los electroimanes N y S. Sin embargo, en la última cofiguración de este hilo, se mencionan DOS escobillas: una fase y un neutro. No entiendo por qué lo hacen, y me abstengo de preguntar para no escuchar improperios estúpidos que no ayudan nada. Saludos...

Saludos...

Ourbobby posted this 22 May 2019

I was going to ask you about the configuration of the bs2101f-e2-driver, posted earlier. we all require patience when learning. your constant outbursts are not helpful. there is a lot going on in the Figueras device, you understand it, many of us do not. if information becomes blurred, this is as much your fault as ours. I have invested time and energy, as perhaps others have, although not as much as you have. i respect that commitment. if you contribution is to end. so be it. i shall go back to something else and cut my losses. adios!

my question to you initially was regarding the Vs connection to the IgBT and the Part G. I do not quite understand this connection in relation to the input and output voltage connections. it seems that the part G is connected to common ground. i have read design sheet DT97-3 in an attempt to clarify the role of Vs in this instance, to of no avail.

thankyou

ourbobby 

 

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Ourbobby posted this 22 May 2019

Well i have read the part G all wrong. my understanding was that the magnetic flux created from the input  created a choke effect whereby the field acted as a resistance. next i read on another forum that a closed field, such as a toroid cannot produce a magnetic field because the poles need to exhibit there polarity. they cannot in a closed field. i also seem to remember seeing a core from UFO that appeared to have a 35 degree notch taken out to accommodate the magnetising field. it would appear i now have to look for another  peice of hollow iron rod! just when looking through the posts i see that here is mentioned by Peter (25 may 2018) of his core at 45x60x185 when calculated out comes pretty close to my final calculation. Frustrating!

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alset posted this 21 May 2019

Quoting your post:

"i do not care who on this planet states that according to their equation it is supposed to be that way. there is no 3 inch core or magnet on this planet that can project a 6 inch field, not you or anyone else for that mater."

Amen brother.

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Ourbobby posted this 21 May 2019

Hi,

       have wound 14 coils for the first attempt for the primaries. i have changed the wire to 1.06mm, each coil has 330 turns and each weight pretty close to 320grams.  i have been looking at my G configuration and conclude that the hollow bar may be overkill for this first build. also, it is going to be a problem getting it machined down  to a smaller size. does the part G have to be solid iron or can i use a laminated core?

regards

ourbobby

alset posted this 20 May 2019

Very easy. Just double the current on the electromagnet and applying the equation I posted then its field will keep the same with twice the length. Equation for force in electromagnets are well known equations, and they take into account the decrease with the distance squared.

When I wrote Length-air I meant not the air gap between the primary and secondary, but the distance that magnetic lines travel along the air (low reluctance) to close its path going from one pole to the other. This is the meaning of that term into the equation. For this reason the longer the air path between its poles the weaker the electromagnet, being the rest of parameters equal.

Regards

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alset posted this 19 May 2019

Hi,

The electromagnet force is proportional to (N•I/Lengthair)^2 being Lengthair the air gap between its poles.

IMO it is not mandatory to fix a ratio of primary and secondary lengths. The longer the air gap is the weaker the electromagnet is. While it could be helpful to use a shorter secondary it is not the only configuration available. You can always modulate both fields with the ratio of maximun and minimun current in each electromagnet to sweep the whole secondary.

I think it is easier to modulate both fields strength with the current ratio Imax/Imin than using a fixed length ratio. Both are possible ways, but one seem simpler that the other in my view.

Adjusting Imax is simple: more or less voltage; but it is important to have the means to adjust also Imin. For this reason I think that it is important to have the possibility to adjust the impedance of the regulator (part G).

Regards

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Ourbobby posted this 16 May 2019

Marathonman,

                       i had read the pages you refer to. they did not connect with me from the comments you made. as i have stated before, sometimes it is necessary to actually make something to understand what is being stated or taught. being able to recognise an event comes with experience. i am going to give figueras away for a while until some parts i have ordered arrive. then i'll connect it up and see if i have learned anything!

thanks for your assistance

edit: also, i am working on the solid state driver circuit and not the commutator model. two different emphases

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 15 May 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            did you mean to include any images with your description of brushes and winding?

edit: i can get 0.05mm foil too thin?. would make wind look very neat and no bobbins!

 

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 15 May 2019

I meant secondaries! I was tired when i wrote that. i do have copper foil 50mm wide. with the single layers i was referring to a photo that gave me the impression that multiple single layers were being wound with larger gauge wire to reduce resistance. i can see now why i get confused. too many changes while confirming correct build. i am off to bed, its been a tiring day.

 

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Ourbobby posted this 14 May 2019

Hi marathonman,

                           thanks for the advice. i have cut the primary cores in half again to 1.5 inches in length. so i shall be using multiple primarys glued together. what i do not get at the moment is the magnetic strength recommended using large gauge coil winding and single layer. and especially as the input voltage is controlled. i also seem to remember you mentioning using foil as the winding. i have thought the magnetic strength was related to turns ratio, and that for example many turns of smaller gauge wire can give good magnetic strength. i get the resistance of small wire and many turns acting as an impedance to power gain. to manifest greater magnetic flux from large gauge coils would require greater increase in power input. the concept i do not get yet is how a larger magnetic flux field is created when the primarys are wound to minimise flux development. the only explanation i can think of is that the dc component required to maintain the energy level within the generator comes from the accumulation of energy from the overlapping pulses which is then able to be stored in the spare space of the primary coils field, which have not been wound to optimise there flux density. thus avoiding saturation. if so, very clever!

 

regards

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 14 May 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            thanks for the advice.i have not wound the coils for the secondary yet. i have located an old welder that has lots of thin laminations. i'm gonna cut some of these down for the secondary cores. i used .0.8mm wire because this is what i had available.. i don't mind if it is a bit small for the moment. also, reading the advice at the beginning of the thread, the suggestion was to break the coil winding into multiple parallel winds. this is what i have done. these are small coils and the power going into them might not be as large as the big generator you are looking to build. i do understand your advice about the different sizes for the cores. there was one thing i have been thinking about. the secondary core, can this be one long core? or do they have to be individual? even could it be a toroid? if the primarys are place in a circular formation .

 

i suppose if we are using single winds on the cores, and havinga controls current and voltage input, then we are not going to cause any unnecessary inrush of current to the coil. the only issue i see is that the current being fixed around 1 amp the voltage will have to be variable to find out if the primarys are giving enough mgnetic flux.

 

regards

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 12 May 2019

Hi guys,

             12  coils wound 16 to go. have run out of wire will have to wait until next week until i wind the remainder. using 0.8mm wire. as per recommendation in multiple winds per spool. have ordered some ir1201S gate drivers.

 

regards

 

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 11 May 2019

Hi guys,

            I found this article in my search for hysteresis and calculating the saturation of the cores. very neat and i am going to build one to see if it helps me. 

https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/probing_cores

 

regards

 

ourbobby

Wistiti posted this 10 May 2019

Hey MM! If you wish to add a "support button " to this tread to have some financial help, just let me know and pm me your PayPal information. I will add it for you.

Keep up the good work!

Ourbobby posted this 08 May 2019

Hi guys,

             have got anther code by creasysee Jan version. working well. I have a photo here. very slow time base on the scope 2 secs. I think the Rigol doesn't like it to slow. anyway. the mistake i thiught last post with photo was double pulses. the double pulses are actually the return pulses from the left to right then right to left. the slow time base allows us to clearly see this. one thought only one pulse showing for 0 and 7, should there be two pulses? good work to creasysee for his coding.

One small glitch you might notice i the small pulse at change over in the middle of the photo. it seems to go through the total set of

outputs

        

now for the hard work.

regards

ourbobby

 

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Aetherholic posted this 08 May 2019

Marathonman

Yes, absolutely correct. The electronic switching needs to mimic exactly the sinusoidal movement, brush contact area dimensions and the contact with the windings so the number of devices that are 'on' will also vary during one cycle due to brush and winding geometry to create the same contact area as the mechanical version. In my case, at mid point there are more windings in contact with the brush than at the end points which changes the separation window between the inductances during the cycle.

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Ourbobby posted this 08 May 2019

Hi Vidura, 

               Thanks for the reply. Yes, I was curious about the extra pulses coming through and i expected an overlap, all beit very small. the code is s provided by creaseysee i believe,  on another site. the problem might be the code is treating the delay as a pulse. will have a go at repairing this.

 

code here, (edit) actually the code there now is an earlier version I haven't tried that one yet. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Qw7lNVZ-Yfgnw79gH9t_yHQc_0RwuPSn

 

regards

 

ourbobby

Vidura posted this 08 May 2019

hey Ourbobby,

the pulses are not correct, they are double in traces 2,3,4 should be simple(edit: depending on the part g shape, for the E ir C shaped cores it could be correct, a foreward and back movement,but not for the toroidal part g)also the overlapping is missing(?), seems to be a code issue. 

vidura

Ourbobby posted this 07 May 2019

Hello,

           I have the arduino program running at last. all the issues can be traced back to dodgy components, most notably the 74f299. I have tried altering the istep and ishift to slow the sequence down so i can visually see the changeovers during the shift. i think this is going to introduce different coding as just changing the values for these two variable does not seem to work. anyway here is a photo of the first four in the steping sequence. 

 

Does anyone think that the sequence is not correct? I am not sure but should i be getting dual pulses on steps 2,3 and 4?

 

regards

 

ourbobby

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Chris posted this 06 May 2019

Tenga la seguridad de que está seguro aquí con nosotros Dadrev. Podríamos pedir mucho pero somos un buen grupo!

   Chris

Dadrev posted this 06 May 2019

@marathonman Ud. Sin duda se refiere a Buforn. Blasberg fue su electricista ayudante, alemán, y que colaboró en el desarrollo del dispositivo. Blasberg conocía bien los efectos del electromagetismo. Saludos...

Saludos...

Dadrev posted this 06 May 2019

A pesar de lo que pueda parecer, me siento cómodo en vuestro foro, y entiendo que, a veces, se pueda pensar que la gente llega y quiere todo hecho en bandeja. No es mi caso. Llevo una semana con vosotros y me congratulo de poder dedicar todo el tiempo posible a la lectura de todos los hilos. Mi ánimo, al preguntar, no era más que por compartir de alguna manera con el foro, lo que quiero hacer. Nada más.

De hecho, el dispositivo Figuera Blasberg, no es prioritario para mí ahora, lo que no quiere decir que no sea de mi interés investigador. Saludos...

Nota: escribo en español porque quiero que se me entienda bien, y mi inglés es deficiente. Espero que no os importe.

Saludos...

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Chris posted this 06 May 2019

I also agree with Aetherholic!

This forum contains so much information! Its laid out in a fashion that is easy to follow.

This forum also has perhaps the best support personal ever situated in one place!

All ready, some not yet open to the public, Successes have already been reported. So some here are very knowledgeable, very qualified to help others!

   Chris

Aetherholic posted this 06 May 2019

Also everyone should read the results of the experiments that have already been done and published on this thread. All the answers are there to be interpreted and used in further development, both success and failure. I have so far built 2 different working part G's and built a full array of coils and published some results. When Marathonman finishes his part G there will be 3 different versions of Part G working. Build upon what has already been done.

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Chris posted this 06 May 2019

@All Readers, I agree with Marathonman!

Well summed up and nicely put Marathonman!

Much information is shared here and resources on my website. hyiq.org.

   Chris

Ourbobby posted this 05 May 2019

Hi creasysee.

occurs to me it might be a compiler issue. what program did you use to compile this code Feb11a?

 

regards

ourbobby

Dadrev posted this 05 May 2019

@ Marathonman

Uppss!

Thank you for your kind invitation to read the thread again. I'll do that.

Regards ...

Saludos...

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Ourbobby posted this 05 May 2019

Hi creasysee,

                        yup, blink program works. where i thought i had clock pulse   this was in fact a faulty register chip intermitrntly shorting to earth. blink test works, o in theory board works. there is no clock output from pin 35 on either Jan or feb sketches.

 

regards

ourbobby

@ marathonman.

all the reading in the world will not teach as much as the combination of theory and practice. this is why i muck around to see what is happening. next time i read the subject will make more sense. thanks for your assistance

 

ourbobby

 

 

Dadrev posted this 04 May 2019

@Marathonman

Cheer up...

What happens in the Figuera device I think is something more than a current pumping in the armature, caused by the back and forth movement of the magnetic field lines of the armature that is confined between the two Bloch walls, but I do not know why. it may be due Added feedback, maybe?

I have thought to make my cores with sweet iron rods (electrodes without coverage) of a size of two inches in diameter, and a length of four inches. The enameled copper wire of 1 mm will be fine for the inductors?

The armature will do it with a core equal to that of the electromagnets and an inch and a half long, with 0.3mm enameled copper wire.

A set of 6 pick-up coils with 12 electromagnets, shaped like honeycomb, configured for 1000 w each coil, could be suitable.

For the G part I think that a C core or a flat disk could be adequate. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

Ah! One question: Could two threads be used in parallel for part G, instead of one? I don't know. It's a mistake?

Regards...

(Editado)

Saludos...

Dadrev posted this 02 May 2019

Greatings for all. Sorry my English. Soy español 😉 Thanks for your messages, especially to marathonman and yours post. I''m starting with my Figuera device.

Saludos...

creasysee posted this 02 May 2019

.the creaseysee progrm loads but will not run.

Hi @Ourbobby, describe more details in PM, please, I'll assist you and we will resolve the issue.

Regards, creasysee

Vidura posted this 02 May 2019

Hi Ourbobby, I would suggest to try with a basic program like blinking led to test the board. Vidura.

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Ourbobby posted this 02 May 2019

Hi,

      I have the new arduino board. i have made several unsuccessful attempts to test my driver board. the program sketch compiles and appears to uplod. i only get a clock pulse. nothing else. the wiring appears correct. the creaseysee progrm loads but will not run. reviewing this across the arduino community it wold appear that the mega2560 board can arrive with bugs. i do not think that i have time to develop an interest in solving bugs. i shall look elsewhere to see if i can resolve the figueras generator.

thank you for you assistance

 

ourbobby

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Chris posted this 29 April 2019

My Friends,

I am here if you need me, PM me...

Understanding comes from guidance, it is To Nurture:

 

Marathonman, I would like to ask you to please treat others with respect, please be more careful with statements, and nurture others understanding. People come to learn, no one I know responds well to statements that belittle or degrade their work or understandings.

All that come are here to learn, we have to be respectful when we share our knowledge, guide, be the leader you are with Philotimo.

I have a responsibility for ALL Members, I care and do not wish any tension at all, for those working hard to advance, achieve and move ahead.

I ask, please don't put me in a difficult position where I have to make hard choices. Lets all get on, and be best friends!

   Chris

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Ourbobby posted this 28 April 2019

Hi marathonman,

                             ok, while waiting for parts, all i have been doing is to look at the interaction of the coils for myself. something you would most likely do. all these pictures tell me is that the responses i get are dependent upon method of placement and polarity. is not this what you have been saying? it is when i actually get a complete generator system in place that the fun begins. i shall have to learn how to manage the power in, learn how to calculate the coil  inductance for optimum effect, try and calculate a linear approach to extrapolation of generator size for power output. many processes likely to take a lot of time. so why you disrespect my mucking about?

 

ourbobby

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Ourbobby posted this 28 April 2019

hi,

just getting the feel of the coils. this time I have used the small coil to simulate the power offset when the part g is running. so i have big coil small coil as primaries. big coil as secondary. interesting results, slightly different outputs. different to last tests. photo 1 is big coil small coil in series with secondary in between N-N polarity. photo 2 is N-S polarity. Photo 3 is quick set up for test.

1)

 

2)

 

3)

 

No conclusions, just interesting to see effects.

@ vidura. Hi, I'll cut a short piece of core tomorrow and rewind it. just mucking around to see what i get before i try serious winding!

regards

 

ourbobby

Vidura posted this 28 April 2019

Hi Ourbobby, In order to make the configuration with like poles working,the secondary has to bee much shorter, and completely covered by the winding , otherwise the tests will bring not conclusive results, as flux will leak before reaching the coil. Regards Vidura.

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Ourbobby posted this 28 April 2019

Just been experimenting with some coils, while waiting for my replacement 2560 board. Not saying anything! Primary Coils have 300 turns of .8mm wire. Secondary just some 1.2mm wire I had lying around. The photos

are 1) Test coils, 300 turns 0.8mm, 12v 2.5 amp. 2) N-S coil polarity. 3) N-N polarity.

1)

2)

3)

 

Regards

Ourbobby

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Aetherholic posted this 24 April 2019

The one thing that is 100% certain is that part g built correctly using a brush, works perfectly and runs cold. The last experiment I did when trying to find the part g limits had 30A average current at 60VDC to the brush for 20 minutes. The measured power loss was 6W and the core and wire were cold. Of course the current and voltage coming out of part G was much higher as you would expect from a magnetic amplifier...........

 

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Ourbobby posted this 24 April 2019

Hello,

         update. bit of a disaster yesterday. was setting my arduino board for the run test when all hell broke loose. my leds became so bright then went out. I looked at the power supply and it was showing 27volts. how can this be. it had been set at 2amp 5 volts. it is a yihau 3010d. this tells me it all. i repaired it some time ago when one of the lm2904 blew up. now i have no current. also no circuit to be found. 

 

have ordered new 2560 board. frustrating. do i spend more time trying to fix this ps without cicuit or toss it. decisions, decisions. 

 

will be another 10 days or so until the new board arrives. luckily i ordered extra shift registers the ones on the test board will be toast.

 

ourbobby

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Vasile posted this 18 April 2019

Actually they are not 90 degrees out, they are 180  degrees out. when one is rising the other is falling.

see graph below, one rising, one falling, never below half way and never to zero or induction will fail.

Regards,

Marathonman

Hello again,

I get it now. The reason I thought that the primary waveforms where 90 degrees out of phase was because I was judging them as being AC, when in reality they are DC because they remain on one side of the zero plane and never pass it. So you are right in saying they are 180 degrees out of phase. From my calculations, in the secondary, you will have two waveforms that overlap one another and are in phase with each other. Now... the interesting part is that the primary currents do not affect each other, (because as one increases the other one decreases, maintaing the Max and Min limits) but in the secondary, the two induced waveforms combine. This is in my opinion the most important thing, this is why the ''amplification'' happens. It is like having 2 men working to lift the same weight, each of them can lift only 1 pound, but combined instead of lifting 2 pounds they lift 4 pounds. Something like that. At least this is how I see it.

All the best,

Vasile

 

Ourbobby posted this 18 April 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            i am using anealed steel. that is decarbonised at the first phase 730 - 850ish degrees. so the iron comes out around 99.5% purity. i work on heat color as my thermocuple is broken. nice orange color. at the moment i can only get the iron bar. so this will have to do to get the generator up and runing. there is a question i wuld like to ask and it relates to the earth connection. do we need to be looking at earth currents?

heres a picture of my board build a work in progress few conections to do. just got to finish conections for drivin G. shuld be able to see it working with the leds and slower speed.

 

regards

 

ourbobby

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Marathonman posted this 17 April 2019

Vasile and others that are still confused.

Figuera used two opposing fields to compress the field lines to match that of a standard N & S generator high intensity field yet remain apart and not combine. what most people are failing to realize is that when the reducing electromagnet is reducing it is also being pushed by the increasing electromagnet. when the reducing electromagnet reduces across the secondary it creates an Electric field and at the same time the increasing electromagnet is increasing across the secondary,  it to is creating an electric field. even though the increasing electromagnet is shoving the reducing field out of the core it still created and electric field. both electric fields combine thus giving you an intensity of the square of the two fields.

is is a remnant electric field and does not disappear when it is pushed/reduced across the secondary. also when current begins to flow in the secondary and the load, a secondary field is formed according to the Lenz's Law which will oppose the change. it is this field that is pushed across the Electric field created by both electromagnets. this is how the primaries induce motion into the secondaries.

two opposing fields one increasing the other decreasing will cause their Electric fields to be in the same direction thus giving you an intensity of square of the two fields .

we are moving the massless, weightless field NOT a huge hunk of iron so the potential to move this massless, weightless field is substantially reduce from that of the massive spinning iron

Electric fields combine opposing magnetic fields do not..

Regards,

Marathonman

Vasile posted this 17 April 2019

Hello,

Thanks for the visual explanation. I honestly understand more from a image/video than from writen words. I tryed to disect the bottom part of your drawing. I made drawings myself, I tested with an ossciloscope and a magnet to see exactly what is going on. I twisted in any way I could and what I get from it, is this:

There are two 90 degrees out of phase waveforms which act upon a central coil and induce in this central coil, two waveforms that are also at 90 degrees from each other (like the inducer ones). Now... from my knowledge, two 90 degrees out of phase waveforms acting toghether have NO INFLUENCE upon each other (it is like you depicted, two magnets with like poles, say North ones, facing one another, that move one in relation to the other, at the same time, speed and direction). More visualy take two magnets, north poles facing each other, and move them toghether from left to right. They will not affect one another because they are moving at the same time, speed and direction.

In the central coil you will get the same. Two waveforms moving at the same time, speed and direction, 90 degrees out of phase and so... they will not influence one another.

Now my question is, how should the energy amplification happen if the two waveforms do not interact with each other? I do not understand the mechanism. Hope you clear this up for me and maybe for others.

All the best,

Vasile

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Marathonman posted this 16 April 2019

This graph is totally self explanatory and SPEAKS " VOLUMES ! " to the Science and Physics community.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 15 April 2019

I am using Decade counters for my electronic switching part G. would like to use up and down decade but don't have time to study the circuit needed.

an curious if that is your primary shown.? forewarned that using solid cores for the secondary induces eddy currents and Hysteresis but would be fine for the primaries. Figuera used solid cores for his build but back then pure iron was much more available then now a days and much cheaper.  my complete set of 16 primaries and 8 secondaries ran me around 750 which to me is ok since it is top notch material being grain oriented also.

I am sorry for the ruff comments. after many, many years of explaining this device it seams very few actually try to confirm what i have presented on the bench.  benching is the only way to verify which is what i have done. it only take a few small tests on a small scale to verify all information presented.

hopefully i will resolve my jig issues during the week so i can assemble my cores this weekend. i am rigging up a tension system for my part G wire and will have it wound by this weekend.

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 15 April 2019

Hello marathonman,

                                 I hope it was not my comments on inverting the coil structures that upset you. we are all guilty of looking at things which doesnt mean that they are right. progress is made by challenging set procedures. although you have probably nailed this one shut tight.

i have started my build based on creaseasy circuit. i found that the register shift have to be reordered. no big deal, i only looked when i was trying to solder to same pinout! all sorted, to easy. as i am using solid iron bar for my cores i have improvised the bobbin using bobbin from plumbers teflon tape, throw tape away, cut bobbin in half and join together with thin plastic sheet and electrical tape. my bar is 25mm dia and bobbin id 1 inch so nice and close.

 

will keep you up todate with my progress

 

ourbobby

Marathonman posted this 15 April 2019

Didn't get a lot done today. assembled table top drill press and drilled aluminum plates for mounting of part G's core and of the motor mount to plates. can't believe i found the motor screws at the hardware store. glued half round on part G's core face and sanded, cut aluminum 3/8 " threaded rod to 1 foot lengths with washers and lock nuts.

My jigs were a total flop because of the weld that worked it's way into the inside of the jig. spent all day with Dremel tool trying to rid the weld to no avail. ruined every bit trying to grind it. Dremel sucks and is putting out crap on the market. i need to figure out how to remove the weld on the inside of the jig before i can assemble the lamination's.

Picked up more ecofy cloth for the bobbins as well as a ton of tools, clamps and such. the sanding disc i purchased is 8,000 rpm rated so that is good at 3100 rpm of the drill press.

Below is an 80 dollar table top drill press that worked well beyond my expectation and then some and some build progress.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 11 April 2019

Again no one pays attention, Peter i never said i was leaving just tired of repeating myself over and over and over because of the lack of attention to presented information which seems to not be benched to verify.

below is the circuit i am working on for the high side driver.

10 Awg square wire came in so it looks like i will be winding my part G this weekend and assembling primary and secondary cores and just maybe some bobbins.

as you can see in the pic below i am not using the low side of the driver so it is taken to ground. i decided to add the timing adjustment cap on the high "in" signal to extend the on time of the circuit to mimic the make before break scenario of the mechanical rotating brush. the driver is a newly added from the manufacture at only 86 cents and can handle up to 600 volts which to me is one of the best offered today.

Edit; Table top drill press and vise came in today which is good as i will be able to precision grind/buff part G's winding's to total flatness. 3100 rpm will be good as the brush is at 3600 so that is as close as i can get for the money

Regards,

Marathonman

Peter posted this 10 April 2019

Hi Marathonman, 

Although i do understand your frustration with some comments, i really hope you stick around.

There are a lot of people with their hearts on the right spot here. Never mind the trolls..

My build is coming along rather slowly.. and i will try to post some more pictures later.

Like said, hope you're still here when i am testing this baby, after all YOU'RE THE MAN    

 

Kind regards, 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Marathonman posted this 10 April 2019

My conviction stands.

the next video is after my old camera died will be my part G in action with lights..

next is two triplets in action.

third is all triplets in action.

part G 10 aug square wire is here Friday will build Saturday night as i do work 6 days a week. video will be 100 volt 1 amp lights in action being swept 180 out.

Regards

Marathonman

alohalaoha posted this 09 April 2019

I will no longer post trying to convince or instruct people on the Figuera device. there is to many people that seam to be convinced their way is the highway even after my bench proven facts that are provable and replicatable. i will only post my build status and nothing more. ask a certain question in a pm and i will answer otherwise i will not respond to a question in the forum. i am through with uneducated or rather non thread readers that think the Figuera device is what ever their mind wishes to be at that moment in time.

good luck is all i may render, you will need it and then some.

Regards,

Marathonman,

 

Common Marathonman, take it easy man. You have our support and attention. Don't drop now till the finish line. Many people wait further instructions from you. Don't give up. This is my personal message to you. But do as you will. This is a MATRIX world and everything is possible, because it's virtual. Virtual like XP or WIN7 on your computer.

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To all

This is very helpfull tool for Figuera buiders and many other researchers - Tiny Magnetic Poles indicator. Very usefull when expeimenting with coils.

From here:

https://acdc.foxylab.com/node/14

Hall sensor is from cheap computer cooler fan FS276 or VHE101B.

Pinout FS276 is same like VHE101B.

Pin1 = Vcc.

Pin2 = Collector of North Pole transistor - on sch. blue led.

Pin3 = Collector of South Pole transistor - on sch. red led.

Pin4 = Gnd.

That's all. Happy build.

Regards to all

Aloha

creasysee posted this 09 April 2019

Hi all!

Sorry, I don't have time for experiments and reports now, but I need to say a couple of things.

1) you need to know that I got a maximum of output when the keys overlap was approx 0.45. The attached image explains how it looks. When the overlap is zero, the output less in few times. When overlap is 0.5 or more the output decreases.

overlap

2) I tried to use a sine wave and you need to know that edge keys will be open longer than in the center, so they will get very hot and you need to use heat-sinks for them. I have broken keys already and you need to remember this.

Good luck and good figuering!

Regards, creasysee smile

Chris posted this 09 April 2019

MM,

There is a right and a wrong way to treat people. The post you deleted, was abusive. Guidance does not need to be abusive.

If you want to help others, then great, but I don't want to see abuse of Members here on my forum.

Its entirely up to you if you want to continue to guide others that wish for your guidance.

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 09 April 2019

I will no longer post trying to convince or instruct people on the Figuera device. there is to many people that seam to be convinced their way is the highway even after my bench proven facts that are provable and replicatable. i will only post my build status and nothing more. ask a certain question in a pm and i will answer otherwise i will not respond to a question in the forum. i am through with uneducated or rather non thread readers that think the Figuera device is what ever their mind wishes to be at that moment in time.

good luck is all i may render, you will need it and then some.

Regards,

Marathonman

Wistiti posted this 06 April 2019

Great reply my freind!!

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Chris posted this 05 April 2019

Hey MM,

I think we could be a little less of a critique on others efforts?

A clear explanation with diagram's may help others end up at the same Goal? I believe all visiting this thread have the same common goal.

As a leader on this thread, it is your responsibility to be a leader, treat others with respect and guide them to the best of your ability.

Your last post really is not what I want to see on my forum, we have responsibility, we must lead the best we can, not abuse and criticise others.

Please re-visit your post and tone down the directed critique.

   Chris

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Ourbobby posted this 05 April 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            thats 90 igbts. I ordered the STGPL6NC60D as used in the digital circuit using the arduino. my 74ALS1032 arrived from germany today. the order was short so they are sending more. should be able to start next week bit by bit.

i have an idea based on the thought that figuera patent is red herring. it should be possible to invert the primary coils and part g. so part g would be a simple pulse drive. the primary coils are wound with the variable impedance similar to the part g that has toroid with pin connections for each coil input. the difference is pulse stepping is graduated across the now linearly increased windings wound coils. I might give this a go later.

ourbobby

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Marathonman posted this 04 April 2019

Many, Many thanks !. i am so tired i can't think straight. finally received my IGBT's..... ALL of them. at $1.95 average price for 405 WATT monsters i couldn't go wrong. my electronic test board will be in next week and also my reorder of epoxy came in safe and sound this time. pic bellow of the beasties !

will start assembling cores this week end and bobbins if i can hold my eyes open long enough.

Regards,

Marathonman

alohalaoha posted this 03 April 2019

Hey Marathonman !

Good to hear you are OK !!

Yes, already presented diagram is a simplified electronic variant of Figuera BTG. It is 95% same as Floyd Sweet VTA device. Same principles rule here. And not only in Floyd device but in almost all working coil shortings configurations including old Tesla patent. I have no mechanical workshop to try build full mechanical variant of Figuera device like you and many good builders here had. So i am concentrating on electronic version. I am looking to find a way for G-part shorting/unshorting but not using ordinary bipolar, mosfets and igbt transistors.

Why?

1st i need as many transistors as have original Figuera G-part number of windings, 2nd, need very high power transistors which are not cheap, especialy SiC fets, and 3rd need very high speed switching off because output power of Figuera device is directgly related to switching (shorting/unshorting) speed, initial magnetic field in G-part core, wire lenght of shorting coil, magnetic field strenght of two primaries and cycling shorting frequency. Real source of power in Figuera device is not a device ownself but powerfull Aetheric wave due to compression and decompression cycle of two magnetic fields primaries. G-part act like compressed/decompressed Aetheric spring which directly excite Ateric realms and as result of such act we get directly injected Aetheric respoonse in a form of powerfull Aetheric wawe, which is pure energetic in essence, whatever we would call him: motional electric field, scalar field, torsion field, cohherent quantum field, longitudinal magnetic field or whatever else. That pure energy wave come form higher Aetheric dimmesnions, and it's direction is always perpendicular to it's exciters components like electric and magnetic field.

I have not anything to add, what was needed was already said in your topic and in the Chris forum.

As in Russia said: All "new" is long time forgotten "old". So generaly speaking we have not discovered a "bicycle". Many smart heads before us were had done this long time ago.

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ps:I never make a jokes with a people having full working hands at job, whatever it is, especialy to those who has mount own heart, blood and tears in his creation, so i was not being sarcatist at all.

Best regards

Aloha

Marathonman posted this 02 April 2019

?????

For your information YES ! i am contrary to your belief.

If you don't have it by now you will never have it. 

plain and simple just like i told Hanon and many others. so much information has been presented you have to be broke upstairs not to get it by now.

Assuming your drawing represents electronics then yes if it represents the mechanical then no but then you knew this before you posted.

"All ready for big Figuera finish ? "

Slightly sarcastically said. i work 6 days a week and have little time to finish. a little mongrell stole my epoxy off my front porch so his parents know and will get refunded but until then i reordered thus sent to my job instead. also my jigs were badly constructed from work thus need fixing.

anything else you would like to know. ? what i would like to know are you building the Figuera device and have ANYTHING to add that has NOT already been posted.?

If you weren't being sarcastic then i apologize, i am bernt  out need break. 

Marathonman

alohalaoha posted this 01 April 2019

Hey Marathonman

How do you do these days ? All ready for big Figuera finish ?

Tell me honestly does this diagram correct or not ? What do you think ?

 

Best wishes

Aloha

 

Ourbobby posted this 31 March 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            thanks for being patient with me. creaseeasy links to the ferranti alternator which links to the ironless coils which links to figuera using ironless coils in everunity thread. oh wot a web of tangled weaving. ferranti is not figuera. there is a link but i dont see it yet. i dont see the zigzag coils without the required soft iron. unless the primary coil if only soft iron and output is the zigzag coil. this would put figuera strate in the middle of faradays homopolar machine. to much? yet i think there is something simple about this whole generater that is staring us in the eye and we are blinking to much. russel was clear, large disc on optic generater, periferal coils, modulater magnet drive. upside down similar to figuera

hopefully i might get some more delivery this week so i can start a build.

regards

Ourbobby

 

Marathonman posted this 31 March 2019

The ideas or recommendation you should be sticking to is the one that were brought up many, many times and not the ones either not prove or just an idea one came up with.

fore instance when i mentioned the inverse square law referring to the primaries being 2 to 1 to the secondaries this is can be replicated and proven by you and everyone else on the bench. when i mention the primaries should be the lowest ohms possible for the least amount of losses in this device is fact because part G controls the current flow NOT the primaries so why add more heat loss to the system when it is not needed.

another fact is part G has to be closed core to preserve the magnetic field raising it's efficiencies in the very high 90's is fact. in order to have  the same flux in an open core it would have to be quite large piece of iron to match that of a C or a Toroid and this to is fact.

the reason i went with the C core is the original replicator using a rotating brush had balancing issued from paralleled inductance on the non active side of part G so i and Eatherholic did some bench work and simulations and found out the C core has no paralleled inductance so i decided to go with the C style core. that and the fact that it is way easier to wind.

but with an open winding on the toroid like creasyseecreasysee did with electronic switching he has no paralleled inductance. one has to take into account that the brush when rotating was on the last winding over twice as long if not longer then that of the other winding's which cause an inductive roll off that gave the secondary the rounded sine wave peak to exactly mimic the sine wave of present day AC output so when using electronic for switching purposes your circuit has to account for these facts.

another fact is Figuera used multiple contacts at a time in a make before break scenario which also has to be incorporated in either electronic switching and mechanical switching.  the reason for this is for non sparking and a wider path for the secondary feed back to be easily injected into part G and a good separation of the north opposing fields in part G essentially making them two separate inductors on a one inductor circuit.

there are many other fact that have been stated on this thread that hopefully have not been deleted that should be accounted for in your design.

EDIT; PS. when using electronic switching with ones intention of using the AC output to a bridge rectifier for a DC output one can then use the fast type switching like creasyseecreasysee did which will give a saw tooth AC output to the bridge rectifier since it doesn't matter because you are transforming to DC anyways.

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 31 March 2019

I aim to please! that is mi miself and i

i admit i have been confused a few times with the changes and upgrades to the figuera device. just when i and may be others start to assemble the projetct along comes a new version. so the problem becomes sticking with the old or scrapping that and going for new. wot say you? all will likeli work one better than the other.

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Marathonman posted this 30 March 2019

Really ! you should be listening to Figuera since Buforn was only a financial backer NOT a Professor of Physics.

i love your way of thinking...... rather comical actually.

I think the spot is called the newest button. Shazam  !

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 30 March 2019

Hi marathonman,

                            Thanks. I have reread 1908 and I think I get the comments by Buforn. will know betta when i get my test modle working.

@ chris.

Hi and thanks for the website. every time i log in and refresh my page i get taken back to the beginin. is there some way that we can stay at the spot

thanks 

 

Ourbobby

Marathonman posted this 30 March 2019

A grain oriented core is just rolled to achieve most if not all the grain in the same direction which means it takes less potential to achieve the same magnetic results. so that means no there is no special winding needed,

why everyone has mistified part G is beyond me. sure part G has a multitude of actions happening at the same time but in the end it is just an Inductor with an active rotating brush.

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 30 March 2019

Hi marathonman.

                            I am gonna look for some silicon steel. I read your M4 grin oriented. is there a specil way this has to be when winding. I think grain orient is exactly that and has to be used like that to get the best result with special winding of coil.

Thanks

Ourbobby

Marathonman posted this 30 March 2019

Well i had a really shitty few days. where i live the scumbags stole my BBQ pit and chair from my front porch . now i come home and my epoxy double order was stolen off my porch. called manager and said stick it i am moving. 

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

on a good note i was able to salvage my jigs after 15 minutes of beating with a hammer. i think i can use then if i can remove the inside weld and splatter. slide plates not shown will attach to the bottom and slide in grove with only up and back movement.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 29 March 2019

 "as this would slow down the switching"

Really, we are only switching at 60 Hz so why in the world would we need fast sharp switching..... we don't in a make before break scenario.   the 100 nf cap would only delay the switch off by microseconds and that is all that is needed. i have a test board coming and i will test this out as i still think i am right. another thing is we are not sucking mega amps, we are only using maybe 1 or 2 amps at best.

we will see.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Vidura posted this 29 March 2019

Hey MM The driver has a good price. And the floating hiside channel is a good choice for the positive switching as well. Only it would not be advisable to connect a capacitor to the gate, as this would slow down the switching, which should be as sharp and fast as possible, more if a huge current is expected, to avoid excessive heating and losses. The make before break should be achieved at the signal stage, it could be by software, or another simple trick is to connect each signal source with small diodes to two or three contiguous driver inputs(these will turn on simultaneously) .The only expense is a good deal of additional small signal diodes and maybe a pull down resistor at each driver input. If the description is difficult to understand I can post a schematic if someone is interested. Regards Vidura.

Marathonman posted this 29 March 2019

Here is a very simple driver circuit i am working on. the driver is BS2101F-E2 at .86 cents each and only requires two small caps and a resistor. very simple but effective. the driver actually has a high and low side driver but the low is not used and tied to ground as per spec sheet. a simple cap can be put on the gate to ground to delay the transistor cutting of for a make before break scenario to mimic the brush two to three wire contact per Figuera part G..

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 29 March 2019

Wow i can't believe the company i work for screwed up my jigs some thing so simple. the slide plates are completely warped and both jigs are not at 90 degrees. plus the idiots has weld on the inside of the jig that stops the lamination from being flat against the plate wall after i stated many times to just tack it on the outside not full weld. not to mention weld splatter every where so i basically threw them in the trash.

so now i must pay for some jigs and definitely not from my company i work for.

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 28 March 2019

only tests will tell, with it not being silicon steel you will have to have more winding's then say my core so it just might work out just keep all informed of your progress and any questions arise we will all be here to aide.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Ourbobby posted this 28 March 2019

Ourbobby;

You would be correct in your original assumption of your core being to big. also you must be aware of the type of steel you are using it will have remnant magnetization which might be detrimental to the function of part G. just post findings along the way.

ps. welcome.

 

Just noticed this. comment! have to get my eyes tested. this is all i have to use. all i can hope for is that i can see it working. the steel is low carbon but with small amount of manganese. i think it was left over from a special job repairing a fishing boat drive shaft support. been in a shed for years. i should get some response so will keep at it.only when i know what i m doing will it work for me to get special core made like you have done. if is is tomuch then i can have it bored out and then rewind it

Thanks

Ourbobby

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Marathonman posted this 28 March 2019

I really hate to do this but my IGBT's just came in at 1.98 each, i think it took a whole 4 or 5 days to the house. powerhouses at 400 watts, absolutely could not pass it up and i have another 60 Coming from Arrow at 1.91.

as for the C core it is laminated M-4 grain oriented Silicon Steel from BridgePort Magnetic's custom made to my order.

being in America does have some minute advantages but the moment you get here you are a slave to the system.

below is my IGBT's

PS. my jig's are still not done. man getting some things free is just not worth it.

PSPS. i lived on Guam for 3 years, i love small islands.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Ourbobby posted this 27 March 2019

Hello marathonman,

                                 where I live, it is not easy to get some items. I am always in awe of the ease that you can get many items so easily. just to get some ic's i have to wait weeks. to get a C section like you say I have not seen. also is it iron, ferrit or lamination? if i am to make a zillion of these things i must know. cos the energy company will want to buy them to stop them reaching the market. forget the muddering, they will be to busy chasing the delivery trucks and worried about the consta t bad pub licity. i live on a small island and any comings and goins are seen by everyone no secrets here

 

regards

Ourbobby

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Marathonman posted this 27 March 2019

Reason # 2 of why i chose a C core for part G, it's way easier to wind.

Regards,

Marathonman

Ourbobby posted this 27 March 2019

Hello,

          just a quicky to show you my winding. not that brilliant, it was very hard to wind. #15 wire is getting a bit stiff and winding it around a 8kg core takes some patience.

Regards

Ourbobby

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Marathonman posted this 27 March 2019

creasyseecreasysee;    

That is the problem , it it NOT to zero at any time it is only to reduce to clear the secondary then back to full potential.

alfizik ;    

That style of winding has already shown to cause trouble. good luck though.

Regards,  

Marathonman 

alfizik posted this 26 March 2019

Greetings to all researchers!
Long or short, but finally wound up two coils for solenoids.
Wound the method of Tesla bifilar. The second coil was wound by two wires at once, and this turned out to be much more convenient and faster.
I will put two photos here.

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creasysee posted this 26 March 2019

@Marathonman

Sure, it's from the power supply.

The oscillogram without primaries and secondary, it's from lamps (active load) connected instead primaries. I wanted to show that a toroid's coil can produce full variation of voltage from zero to voltage of the power source, although the toroid has inductance 3H.

I'll provide an oscillogram for different frequency, for example 400 Hz, and we'll see it more clear. Now the frequency is 50 Hz.

Regards, creasysee.  smile

Marathonman posted this 26 March 2019

creasysee;

  Is that wave form actually from your power supply or from your secondary output.?

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 25 March 2019

When the secondary loop back is in place the voltage throughout the system will increase well beyond 100 volts and here is why.

you have the the reducing primaries potential added to the reducing side of part G then at that moment the secondary feed back adds to those two potentials causing an substantial increase in voltage that forward biases the rising primaries. higher voltage will cause higher amperage to flow giving the rising primaries an added kick at the peak to replace the field line pressure of the reducing primaries. it adds the reducing primaries reduced pressure to the rising side allowing it to maintain the required output you so desired.

everyone will experience this rise in voltage so don't freak out when you test as this is a norm for this device.

Regards,

Marathonman

creasysee posted this 25 March 2019

Hi alset!

You don't need to calculate, sorry. You need to measure.

Experiment #1: Measured U and I: Z = 50V / 0.28A = 178 Ohm.

Experiment #2: Measured U and I: Z = 50V / 0.39A = 128 Ohm.

Experiment #2 (lamps): Measured U and I: Z = 12V / 1.75A = 6.8 Ohm.

Experiment #3 (not published yet): Measured U and I: Z = 50V / 0.72A = 69.4 Ohm.

 

It looks like you have wrong calculations (Or I have wrong measurements, you can describe where I was wrong, don't hesitate, all people can make mistakes).

 

Regards, creasysee.  smile

 

FYI: The current in primaries has DC part and doesn't cross the zero line. In the same time, the voltage on primaries exceeds source voltage in a few times (I have approx 200-400 volts, I will report later how much Measured: 670 volts) and crosses the zero line.

Voltage on primaries

FYI2: Sorry I don't know another formula for calculation impedance of inductance. Found it. Thanks. I'll fix it.

FYI3: Sorry, the voltage on the connected lamps instead of primaries is varying from 0 to 12V at 0.5Hz and at 50Hz (power source is 12V). Please note that the waveform has a defect on the upper side, this is due to pulsations from power DC source. I'm sorry, I have maintenance/enhancements of my device now.

Volage on lamps instead primaries

I understand you and I know what is T=L/R. But I'm so sorry, you need to build this and measure. Btw, the variac worked on the 50Hz grid fine (sure, I remember).

Creasysee, I have seen your site with your tests. Congratulations for your great work. Man, if you do not reduce that high impedance, 935 ohm, you are not going to get anything. You need more that 1000 volts to get a current of 1 Ampere. Also note that the coils are a low pass filter with time constant tau = L/R, that in your case is about 3/3 = 1sec. . You will need about five times that time , that is= 5 sec. , to see an increase in input signal to reach its max.output value. If your frequency is high then it has no time to reach it max. output before the input have been reduced again. Therefore your output magnetic field see little variation, and that is not good... Do you have an scope picture of your output voltage after the electromagnets? Check it. Also note that the impedance Z is not calculated as you wrote as R + XL, but it must be calculated as: Z = SQRT( R^2 + XL^2 ) Hope to help!

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Marathonman posted this 25 March 2019

Ourbobby;

  With a load connected to the secondary and after the primaries polarize the secondaries and current begins to flow an opposing field on the rising primary side of the secondary will form. this opposing field is what is swept from side to side. each rising primary will push this opposing field across the electric field formed by the primaries increase and decrease. with the sweeping action it induces motion into the secondary giving the illusion of motion to the electric field. this is flux cutting all day long.

so what that means is the primaries create the electric field then by the increase and decrease of the primaries it pushes the opposing field in the secondary across the electric field sweeping from side to side.

i hope you can understand what was just said.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Ourbobby posted this 25 March 2019

Hello again,

                   I am reading through the early posts, and would have made a comment or two. Anyway, I still have a mental block with demonstrating how Figueras has demonstrated flux cutting. I get flux linking in an armature rotating through a magnetic field. But, for the life of me, I cannot visualise the difference here between cutting = Figueras and linking = today's technology. I am stuck with the concept of flux cutting being a physical movement - radial - through a magnetic field. NN or SS is suggested as flux cutting, but then we maintain a high flux density field without going completely through the field. The "y" field is static.

edit: With flux cutting, the rotational speed through the magnetic fields,when increased will give the massive outputs that the energy companies are afraid of!

Regards

Ourbobby

 

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Ourbobby posted this 25 March 2019

Hello,

Things are on the move. I have worked my toroid a bit to round the edges and wound tape around it . Ran out of blue so used my black tape to finished off, and mark out the start and end for the winding. Also, my arduino 2560 board arrived today.  i have some #15 wire, maybe just enough to do a complete wind with one join.

Am ploughing through this thread again! Cannot remember everything so am taking notes on what looks important!

 

Regards

Ourbobby

 

 

alset posted this 23 March 2019

Creasysee,

I have seen your site with your tests. Congratulations for your great work. Man, if you do not reduce that high impedance, 935 ohm, you are not going to get anything. You need more that 1000 volts to get a current of 1 Ampere. Also note that the coils are a low pass filter with time constant tau = L/R, that in your case is about 3/3 = 1sec. . You will need about five times that time , that is= 5 sec. , to see an increase in input signal to reach its max.output value. If your frequency is high then it has no time to reach it max. output before the input have been reduced again. Therefore your output magnetic field see little variation, and that is not good... Do you have an scope picture of your output voltage after the electromagnets? Check it.

Also note that the impedance Z is not calculated as you wrote as R + XL, but it must be calculated as:

Z = SQRT( R^2 + XL^2 )

Hope to help!

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Marathonman posted this 23 March 2019

Picked up some really awesome IGBT's for an amazing price. these NGTB40N65IHTG's from Mouser are 400 watt beasts at a measly 1.96 each plus i found a high side driver for .86 cents each also at Mouser. i am just getting ready for when i do walk on the electronic side i will be ready. also designing a demo timing board with DipTrace to work out any bugs that may arise.

in the mean time my jigs for my cores are almost done at work so i will be assembling them soon using the jig and a C clamp to compress the lamination's along with my order for epoxy at 3300 psi with 3 hour work window and cure in 24.  i will be getting the bobbin material to construct them this week end.

here is a shot of my cores before epoxy. i just realized i had to pay for extra lamination because they only did in lots of a certain amount so i ended up with 16 Primaries and 8 secondaries.

Regards.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 22 March 2019

That is correct, each primary electromagnet needs to be exact copies of each other avoiding inconsistencies in magnetic field intensities. when making bobbins they should all be exact copies of each other also and by using bobbins it leave room for adjustments that are a vital part in tuning this device.

not sure what you mean by that last question. Ben Franklin thought current flowed from positive to negative and had a 50/50 chance of being right. unfortunately he got it wrong. current flows from negative to positive but the present system remains in place. negative is charging into counter space South pole and positive is discharging into space North pole. north is positive pressure and south is negative pressure. sounds a bit confusing at times..

when winding part G it needs to be wound as negative to the primaries and the brush positive causing two north opposing fields at the brush that keeps the two halves essentially separate. if i remember rightly it was counter clockwise from Set S to Set N.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

 

alfizik posted this 22 March 2019

Thank you, Vidura! I'll start making the second solenoid right now. It is now noon.
There is another question: is the polarity of the power source of an electromechanical (classical) device variant important? Maybe someone from those who assembled the classic version, tried to change the power polarity of the entire system?
Everyone - thank you for being there!

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Vidura posted this 22 March 2019

Hi alfizik, The most important thing is that the facing magnetic poles are equal polarity. In order to avoid inaccuracies of balancing it might be better to make all the coils equal in the same winding directions. Regards Vidura

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alfizik posted this 22 March 2019

Hello marathonman
Need urgent advice. And also all who read my post, write the answer. Does the direction of the winding of the solenoids relative to each other matter? That is, I have two solenoids, right and left. One wound, before winding the second asked this question. Which way to wind, clockwise or counterclockwise. 

Thank you! All the best!

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Marathonman posted this 22 March 2019

Quote; " Until I got acquainted with this forum, I did not know that part of G is not a chain of resistors at all. And last year I spent several months on these resistor circuits in several versions."

This my new friend is not good. most people had their own opinions and were miss lead by the patent when in fact it stated for understanding ONLY for the comprehension  of the device operation and "R" drawn in it's elementary manor to facilitate the comprehension of the device.  i for one am glad you listened to the wisdom of this thread and my open sharing of what i have learned.

My humble apologies for taking so long to get where i am at. i feel like i let everyone down, to much evil in this world.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alfizik posted this 21 March 2019

Marathonman !

Yes, I have been working only on the electronic version from the very beginning, because it is too difficult to work with mechanics in my conditions and in an era when it is easier to buy a whole processor than to machine a small little wheel on a machine.
In general terms, I imagine how the Figuera device should work. And I understand that the energy of the magnetic field is pumped back and forth with each flowing over it in a system of two solenoids, filling in the increasing winding section of part G, following the receding brush, and vice versa, returning to the solenoid when the brush runs to the end of winding. I translated all the posts of this thread and read. (True, the translation is not very good, the machine translator does not know slang and sometimes funny words are obtained, sometimes just incomprehensible phrases.) But complete understanding will come gradually as the device becomes practically implemented, in steps, in steps. And then a great hope for you and Aetherholic.
Until I got acquainted with this forum, I did not know that part of G is not a chain of resistors at all. And last year I spent several months on these resistor circuits in several versions.
I fully share your views on this world. We need to rid it of oil and gas stink and other dirt.

Successes to all of us!

P.S. on photo one new solenoid in work. 

Marathonman posted this 21 March 2019

alfizik;

Yes, i understood you, i just didn't know if you were going electronic or not. please remember that the secondary feed back is sent into part G also so how are you going to account for that after testing.?

it is great having so many builders around the world contributing to such a great cause. we are the future.

Regards,

Marathonman

alfizik posted this 21 March 2019

Hi, Marathonman!
Perhaps you misunderstand me. I'm not going to use the rotation of the virtual brush, but walking it clockwise and counterclockwise.  (exactly as creazysee)  All the best to you and write how are you doing.

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Cornboy posted this 21 March 2019

 OK MM, got it, thanks.

 Cornboy. 

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Aetherholic posted this 21 March 2019

Marathonman

I am still here although I got side tracked with other issues which has taken up more time than intended. I don't have any further progress to report yet other than I will be concentrating on the coil triplets and the magnetic and electrical field interactions as I am happy with the part G performance. As soon as I have some more data or progress I will post it.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 21 March 2019

Cornboy;

   I am referring to the continuous wind of the original replicator . each half essentially separate but together which caused a balancing issue. when you are on EF you were advised on this issue and for sure on this site. when a continuous  wind is used it causes paralelled inductance which causes balancing issues.

when a C core or others are used they are not prone to balancing issues.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 20 March 2019

 Hi MM and all, MM when you say parallel inductance is a problem with a toroid, is it because of the close proximity of the winding's on the inner part of the core?  Or is something else the cause?.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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alfizik posted this 20 March 2019

Hi, Marathonman!
The wire that I wrapped the toroid has a diameter of 0.71 mm. Inductance coil 0,265 Henry. There is another core in stock, measuring 126x71x64 mm. And also there is a wire with a diameter of 1.63 mm. Due to lack of funds on the wire and other parts, while using it. Besides, manual winding of a toroid is a considerable time-consuming work, but I still get to wind the second toroid for the sake of experiment and experience. I do not need more power from this device, it is more important to achieve its efficiency with a self-locking device and at least 10 watts of free power. And then it will be clear where to go, and it will be much easier in the sense of availability of funds.

In the photo, the core, which I keep in stock for now. Its overall power is 400 watts.
I hope you understand my text, as I write through a translator. And I also read through the machine translator Google, understanding the meaning of complex technical texts is not very good. Road going by walking!)

Regards!

alfizik posted this 20 March 2019

It was a toroidal core from some domestic autotransformer, dimensions 95x55x30 mm. I forgot to make a photo. Bends for soldering will be soldered from the sides. The electronic part is ready for me. Management board and 16 keys on mosfet IRFP260. Write through a translator from Google. If something is not clear, ask. Maybe you have any tips, they will be interesting to me. Successes to all!

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Marathonman posted this 20 March 2019

Ourbobby;

You would be correct in your original assumption of your core being to big. also you must be aware of the type of steel you are using it will have remnant magnetization which might be detrimental to the function of part G. just post findings along the way.

ps. welcome.

alfizik;

Welcome and thank you very much for the kind words. your part G looks good but i am wondering why such small wire keeping in mind that part G becomes the power supply when the starting power is removed. the more resistance you have in this system the more losses occurred. remember part G controls the current NOT the primaries ohmage.

also it looks like you are going electronic switching correct me if i am wrong. if you are not then with a rotating part G,  that style of winding will not work. good choice on a core but as i have stated in the past from my findings and that of Aetherholic that part G has parallel inductance on the non active side causing balancing issues of the primaries with a torroid type core.

all; heed the words well as the primaries have to be bigger then the secondaries or the magnetic fields will be to week to maintain the proper field pressure.

again welcome the both of you to the best troll-less forum on the web.

PS. anyone heard from Aetherholic lately.?

Regards,

Marathonman

 

alfizik posted this 20 March 2019

Hi guys!
I read this forum with great interest! Many thanks to Chris for ordering this resource!
I am very interested in the prospect of recreating the Figuero device.
Thank you Marathonman for the leading role and a lot of useful information and tips!
I will try to post a photo of what I have worked out lately.

Cornboy posted this 20 March 2019

 Welcome, Ourbobby, have seen you asking on other forums.

 My advice is to read right through this thread, it may seem repetitious, with a lot of stuff you have already read elsewere, but you will pick up lots of hints and advice along the way that may help.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile 

Ourbobby posted this 20 March 2019

Hello, 

 This is my first post here. I have been following Figueras around the forums for a couple of years. Follow the information! I am collecting components for a digital build. I have just  collected a toroid - or a piece of steel bar with a hole in it! The dimensions are diameter 180mm, inner diameter 88mm, height 58mm. Next move on this is to decarbonise it in my small kiln. Then wind a Part G+R. I am a little worried that I might have too much iron here. Well I'll suck it and see.

Regards

Ourbobby

Marathonman posted this 19 March 2019

Yes they are,  Silicon Iron grain oriented 29 gauge M6. 14 primaries 6" long and 7 secondaries 3" long both 2.25 wide.

part G core is grain oriented silicon iron 6" x 6" 1/2" thick.

Regards,

Marathonman

Vasile posted this 19 March 2019

Nice core. Is it Silicon steel? Hope it works good for you.

All the best!

 

P.S.: Nice table also.

 

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Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Weird, i just took the battery out and let set for a while then took another pic and it worked but i still lost over 30 minutes of video in the process.

Below is brush holder on top of my new C core.

wire is coming which is square for less precision grinding.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Cable new Camera very old, tried that does same thing but managed to squeeze one more out before another nose dive. time for another pawn run. Ha, Ha, Ha !

Regards,

Marathonman

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Chris posted this 18 March 2019

MM,

Try all the different USB Ports on your PC/Laptop and a new cable.

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Well i took some pictures of my C core part G and the new primary and secondary lamination but in the middle of of the upload to my computer my camera took a nose dive and is not recognized by my computer. so that means i lost all my video i recorded last week. i will go to the pawn shop and buy another one then post a pic of my new C core controller part G.

Edit; Managed to get one more pic out of it before another nose dive. my new controller core.

How sweet it is to be loved by Tempel and Bridgeport. they did an outstanding job of the cores and very fast delivery after we got past the Bs sales guy.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 March 2019

Welcome mabberflouth;

Yes there is a ton of information on this site and thread. i have pored my heart out on this device in hope to change this screwed up world we live in. please read the whole thread and realize the amazing possibilities of this device and if you have any questions please feel free to ask away.

my core of my part G is being delivered today along with my 7 triplets. wire should be here any day now so can commence my build.

Regards,

Marathonman

mabberflouth posted this 17 March 2019

Hi,

    i have bean lookin at this figuera generater for a while and this is the best place i have seen talking serius about it. im gonna build one of these and i hope i can help on the way.

i am new here and want to say hi to everyone on this generater. i hope i can get grate results.

ave a good day

 

mabberflouth

   

Marathonman posted this 15 March 2019

Please remember folks, the primaries are ONLY reduced to clear the secondary then back to full potential as the other primary is reduced. at NO time is the primaries reduced past 50% or to zero. if you do this induction will fail as the compression of field lines is or was not maintained thus induction will fail and the output will plummet to almost nothing.

we are using duel mono poles to compress the field lines to that of a standard generator then reducing one and increasing the other to induce motion into the secondary at the same time forming an intense electric field around the secondary. when current begins to flow a second Lenz Law field will form and this field is what is pushed across the electric field formed by the reducing and increasing primaries in coherency..

the field lines must be compressed and maintained at all times or YOUR OUTPUT WILL FAIL. if you are reducing down to far then you need to have less windings on the end of your part G.

Regards.

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 12 March 2019

Finally some good news Bridgeport is shipping today and Temple is shipping tomorrow. finally i get some satisfaction.

you people have no idea how much i have suffered  from the fatal blow. i lost 5,000 worth of very valuable test equipment and cores that were to F-in expensive to realize . trust me when i say it is nice to live alone.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 10 March 2019

While i have some free time i am working on the cheapest timing and switching that can switch the Figuera part G in a make before break scenario with the ends switched on twice as long. i will order from Mouser and test the circuit before i post it on line.

I found some IGBT's  that are being discontinued so the price is really fantastic and a driver for .86 cents. i will either use an up/down decade counter or just a regular decade counter. the up/down will require and Arduino or something similar but the regular decade counter just  a signal generation of some type.

there can also be other ways to switch as with a PNP with the use of a 300 volt opto-isolator to isolate the two sections of high and low signal.

i will also be investigating the infusion of the secondary feed back with electronics also that can be switched from the same signal of the positive brush electronics but will start at the opposite side of part G's positive side and end on the opposite side.

IE... positive electronic switching starts from left to right and the secondary feed back from right to left to mimic the brush rotation.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 09 March 2019

OMG! dealing with Temple is like discussing Physics with 5 year olds. very unprofessional with total lack of fore knowledge . after two weeks of miserable correspondence i finally got a due date of the 20th. my part G C Core will be in next week.

if you have any other moronic supplier of lamination material please do it other than Temple.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 03 March 2019

Cornboy:

  As you already know i dabbled at the thought as did UFOP but was committed to the straight core design so i went no further.

my only concern was the collision points no being equal as the inner part of the toroid has a much shorter magnetic path then does the outer therefore colliding much sooner.  the other concern is does the South field compress the field lines like that of the radiating north field. i never got to that fork in my research so i left it a lone  my immediate gut felling is no but then again the Figuera device is like no other.

edit; the magnetic field will have to travel farther on the outside thus be weaker on the outside vs the inside which has a shorter path thus more intense. ?

PS. those who are following the electronic switching of part G needs to realize the end contacts where the peak of the primaries are at their highest and lowest needs to be on two to three times as long to get the inductive roll off to exactly mimic the AC sine wave of present household utility delivery. not if you are to rectify then use it as a DC supply.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 03 March 2019

 Hey MM, i do have a toroid already wound, but i will still be testing my inductive resister pieces.

 My main concern at the moment is the electro magnets, copper coated welding rods are not viable for me, so looking into other ways.

 Have been thinking lot's about slitting small laminated toroids to use all fields produced by inducers, what do you guys think??.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Marathonman posted this 03 March 2019

It turned our really nice Cornboy so now comes the core issue. what is your plan of attack on that.?

Great work.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 02 March 2019

 Hi All, finished machining Comm 3, now on to brush holder and end caps.

 

 

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

Marathonman posted this 02 March 2019

Cornboy;

  I plan on using a jig with a hole in the bottom so i can fit a C clamp through it. i will them put a metal plate in the jig then 161 laminations then another metal plate then clamp.

The golf club epoxy is 24 hour epoxy and should be fine. with the hole in the bottom of the jig i can punch it out if i have to. i think it will work.

 

All;

I plan on removing or adding windings to tune use the gap as a last resort. plus i can adjust my brushes for a wider current window if needed.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

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alset posted this 02 March 2019

Hi Aetherholic,

Thanks for the info. Very interesting to see your part G inductance to be about 500 mH with 93 turns. Which is the inductance of one of your sets of electromagnets? Just to see the ratio of impedances in electromagnets and regulator.

The variable core gap in part G to regulate its inductance is genius!!. I was just thinking of changing the number of turns to tune this device.

Best wishes!

Thanks

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Aetherholic posted this 02 March 2019

Cornboy

Because my core is in this format [ | ]  I can completely remove one side and still have a closed path so the gap size can vary between none and infinite. 

Marathonman should also be able to gap adjust his [ ] format core if needed.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Cornboy posted this 02 March 2019

 Aetherholic, that's really interesting, what size gap do you use to do that?.

 regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Aetherholic posted this 02 March 2019

Cornboy

I posted some waveforms earlier in the thread. I can tune the AC to DC ratio by gapping the core which changes the ratio of part G inductance to the inductance of the primaries. This was my solution to the tuning problem and allows me to experiment with different primary configurations. 93 turns gives me a total ac inductance of about 500mH when measured across the two outputs.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

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Cornboy posted this 01 March 2019

 Hey MM, you will need a slow setting epoxy to do that, and the best would be to clamp the lamination's between unbendable steel plates.

 The epoxy will dribble out everywhere, so have a good think about what you don't want to glue together, and how to get it apart the next day.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Marathonman posted this 01 March 2019

Cornboy;

   I planed on putting a super thin layer of epoxy between the layers @ 161  the putting a block of metal over that then compressing it as far as i can, let dry for 24 hrs. then build my bobbins to mach which the core will be slid in. i would think 3,300 psi epoxy would keep it from breaking apart.  i do not have access to any type of welding machine unless i buy one at Lowes or Home Depot and that will by in the 300 range of added expense.

seems i might need to think on this more.

Edit; I am having core jigs made at work with 1/32 clearance so i can compress my cores without slippage.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 01 March 2019

 @ Aetherholic, is it possible to post a scope shot of the wave form coming from your part G, that drives the inducers?

 Thanks in advance,  Cornboy.  smile

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Cornboy posted this 01 March 2019

 Hey MM, one good method is to compress the strips hard and evenly, and then stitch weld with mig or tig, then epoxy them.

 I wouldn't trust just epoxy on compressed cores like that.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Marathonman posted this 01 March 2019

Ah, now i get it. to many work hours as i am beginning to understand blond woman now. ha, ha, ha. i will be at 60 plus this week at 14 straight days. no rest for the determined.

Quote and shipping quote is back from Temple and tomorrow is is a green light on 7 -2.25" triplets that will be delivered to my job in two weeks plus Bridgeport will deliver at the same time frame as will S&W wire.

the sad part is i have to assemble my own core at 161 layers of .014  29 gauge so that means i will have to build two jigs, one for the primaries and one for the secondaries. i might use that golf club epoxy i had a while back then compress in a press of some sort.

any short cuts on the matter will be welcomed.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 28 February 2019

Hi MM, i poured the bottom first, waited for it to harden, then poured from the top, to fill the whole body.

 The flat wire is 7mm x 3mm. now i will machine the middle out leaving a small amount of epoxy, and only machine a path in the copper wide enough for the brushes. The positive feed is a 7 x 3mm ring connected to the brass bolt.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Marathonman posted this 28 February 2019

Interesting Approach to a commutator. was the pour you are referring to just at the top or the whole inner area.

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 28 February 2019

 HI all, some pics of Commutator Mach  3, and hopefully the last, on this line of experimenting.

 

First 2 getting ready to pour, last pic after pour and initial clean up in the lathe, now to finish machining the comm bars, etc.

 Best regards  Cornboy.  smile

Marathonman posted this 27 February 2019

The original replicator did mention that each half was to be calculated separately so your hypothesis has substantial merit.  when i build my next triplet i will investigate this.

Temple Transformer will not assemble my cores so i will have the arduous duty of assembling them myself which i have never done. well i will jump in with both feet because that is what we do.

I will have my cores in about two weeks primaries, secondaries and my C core part G.

Regards,

Marathonman

Vidura posted this 26 February 2019

When making measurements of the inductance on this devices you have to take in account the reduced impedance effect of the opposing magnetic fields, where the reluctance component becomes very small. Also the windings which are shorted by the brush on part G make a similar effect of reduced reactance. Although in the latter are many different types of interactions present so only experience will bring practical results on how to calculate impedance matching on this device. Regards Vidura.

Marathonman posted this 26 February 2019

I understand what you are saying and yes it does make sense but implimenting that may be a problem as part G is a single layer 50 to 100 turn inductor and the primaries are 600 to 800 turn coil which will not be easy to attain matching impedance . maybe the way i am winding will be easier to match which is up and back,  4 in parallel with a total of 8 layers.

Cornboy;

Peter's vacuume cleaner approach seems  to fit your bill with a much sturdier housing.

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 26 February 2019

I found this in another forum (EF , posted in february 2017). You should balance the impedance of your electromagnets and regulator in order to get a proper ratio of maximum and minimun current.

 

Ohms Law:

Voltage = Z_electromagnets · I_max

Voltage = (Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets)· I_min

 

If Z_regulator =     Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 2

If Z_regulator = 2· Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 3

If Z_regulator = 4· Z_electromagnets then I_max/I_min = 5

 

In some equations for inductance of a toroid, the inductance is proportional to the number of active turns squared , N^2   ( L_toroid ~ N^2 )

 

Hope to help! Electronics is the way to go!!

Marathonman posted this 26 February 2019

If you were to tap the last mosfet to the left and the end that will give you the peak of set N  then disconnect the end leaving the tap at the last mosfet then connect to set S end and that will give you your lows. or you can tap just one loop and calculate from that your desired output.

940 is awfully high indeed, i am looking for 100 to 150 XL in my system ruffly. remember one needs not to go past the 50 % reduction mark or induction will be lost and the output will suffer drastically from the lack of magnetic field line compression. remember we are using two mono poles to compress the field lines to match that of a standard generator N and S high intensity field.

6.28 X 50 X .3 = 94.2 ohms  300 v divided by 94.2 = 3.185 amps peak primary.

Regards,

Marathonman

creasysee posted this 25 February 2019

Hi all!

940 ohms is huge!! I think you can tune your toroid by reducing the number of turns. A quick test is just to tap your L meter into the last contacts of your last mosfets instead than in the last turns of the toroid. If you are so kind please do it and tell us. Thanks.

 Thanks, @alset!  I'll try when will start testing my triplets. I'm building it yet.

For all, review this again: the Ferranti-Thomson alternator. I plan to make the distance between primaries adjustable.

UPDATED: The inductance between the last contacts of my last IGBT is 0.3H. In the same time, full inductance has the same old value is 3H. It's strange, I tried to measure a few times (a load was disconnected). Maybe my L-meter is wrong.

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alset posted this 25 February 2019

Thanks, Marathonman, but it's very expansive for me $5 vs $0.5. 

I have 600V 6A IGBT and 1kW variac as part G, so I don't see any reason to enter the power of more than 1 kW. First tests will use 48 IGBTs, each IGBT has 56W power dissipation and processing 1/48 part of the energy, so it will dissipate 1kW/48 = 21W even if each transistor will dissipate all power. So, I think it will work safely because transistors work in key mode (not active mode) and have fast drivers.

Really my part G has inductance 3H and XL = 2*Pi*f*L = 2*3.28*50*3 = 942Ohm, thus I can enter I = U/R = 300V/942 Ohm = 0.32A. (I cannot enter 600V, because it's inductance load, need a voltage margin). I chose the wrong variac...

Most likely, I will work at frequencies below 50 Hz, 16 Hz for example. We do not know at what frequency Figuera worked.

Good figuering!

Regards, creasysee smile

 

 

Hi Creasysee,

940 ohms is huge!! I think you can tune your toroid by reducing the number of turns. A quick test is just to tap your L meter into the last contacts of your last mosfets instead than in the last turns of the toroid. If you are so kind please do it and tell us. Thanks.

 

If I remember fine Aetherholic did his part G with around 90 turns. Maybe he can confirme that value and maybe add his values of inductance and XL

 

As Marathonman said Figuera was trying to pour his production into the main network so probably he used 50 or 60 Hz.

 

Best wishes!!

Marathonman posted this 23 February 2019

Vidura,

 

 That would be grain oriented M6 with the grain length wise and yes it is laminated. it is to expensive for solid pure iron cores for the primaries and also something that can be done by all replicators.

that is also correct on the brush coil shorting. by having the brush make contact on two or three winding's at a time it will eliminate spikes or current interuptions that are detrimental to this device. it is also a wider path to inject the secondary feed back into part G and a wider separation of the opposing magnetic fields of the inductor part G.

the whole reason i chose to do mechanical was not only can mechanical sustain a higher amperage but to gather all available information i can getting a complete understanding of the device parameters before moving forward with the electronic version. which i might add i have a very good understanding of this device already so the electronic version will be no problem.

there must be two to three channels on at a time to mimic the brush and for the end channels to remain on for twice as long as the ones in the middle to get the proper inductive roll off to exactly mimic the AC wave form.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

 

Vidura posted this 23 February 2019

MM, I'm happy that you can resume your building.May I ask you if the cores are laminated silicon steel, if yes is it non orienteted or oriented grain cuality? @ creasysee I guess MM is correct in pointing to the current capabilities of the switches, as it is a magnetic device.Be aware that aetherholic burnt a 100A bridge rectifier with his partG. Another thing that should be considered is that the mechanical brush perform a coilshortening while moving over the part G, which we know having a great effect on inductance. To mimic this behaviour a bidirectional conducting switch (MOSFET)would be needed. A comparison between IGBT and MOSFET would be valuable for development of the solid state version of the device. Regards Vidura.

Chris posted this 23 February 2019

Yep, Trolls are Not Very Smart:

 

Almost 13 weeks and nearly 20,000 views, the globe is pretty red now! The Trolls still visit us, they just know they have Zero chance of staying alive here! It appears the entire Internet has waited for a safe secure place to plan their work flow!

The other forums are dead, all chatter is the same chatter they were messing around with 10 years ago! Old news for all here!

Go MM, keep up the good momentum! Many visit to see your progress! All others here also!

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 23 February 2019

I was just quoted price on some cores from Temple Transformer i just can't refuse..... omg i will be the proud owner of 14   2.25 " x 2.25" x 6 "  and 7  2.25" X 2.25' x 3 " in less than two weeks.

you guys can not believe how awesome i feel right now as i almost pissed on myself getting this news. sorry Chris i am just elated at this prospect  of getting back in the saddle again.

I was expecting  a royal rear end but lord knows it was a very sane proposition that i can jump on.

finally we shale prevail over the low down  trolls that oppose us and thank you to those who listen to reason not fantasy.

Hyiq will change the world as we know it.

Thank you Wistiti for recommending  a site i could share my knowledge freely.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 20 February 2019

I was going by the wattage not the 600 volts that after the derating it would be just fine at 100 to 150 volts and that was @ 3.72 each for a power house of an IGBT.

Barcelona was at 50 hz at the turn of the early century and forewarned, it is really not good for it to run at low speeds. it wears the brushes and the winding's out faster but of course your electronic so no brush wear.

Marathonman

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creasysee posted this 20 February 2019

Thanks, Marathonman, but it's very expansive for me $5 vs $0.5. 

I have 600V 6A IGBT and 1kW variac as part G, so I don't see any reason to enter the power of more than 1 kW. First tests will use 48 IGBTs, each IGBT has 56W power dissipation and processing 1/48 part of the energy, so it will dissipate 1kW/48 = 21W even if each transistor will dissipate all power. So, I think it will work safely because transistors work in key mode (not active mode) and have fast drivers.

Really my part G has inductance 3H and XL = 2*Pi*f*L = 2*3.28*50*3 = 942Ohm, thus I can enter I = U/R = 300V/942 Ohm = 0.32A. (I cannot enter 600V, because it's inductance load, need a voltage margin). I chose the wrong variac...

Most likely, I will work at frequencies below 50 Hz, 16 Hz for example. We do not know at what frequency Figuera worked.

Good figuering!

Regards, creasysee smile

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Marathonman posted this 20 February 2019

I somehow fail to see the connection to the Figuera device on this one. granted i do know about the phase shift which is at the limit of the magnetic field from the coil irregardless  of whether it has a core or not. if you notice the sensor is the exact thickness of the coil away from it which is the inverse square law at work. meaning the magnetic field will only project out the length of the coil it self thus any farther away it will be non detectable by the sensor.

when the field lines are compressed  between the opposing electromagnets there will be no phase shift of the magnetic fields but there is in the storing and releasing of potential into the magnetic field of the primaries and part G.

creasysee, i found a good hard rocker of a IGBT  https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ON-Semiconductor-Fairchild/FGH60N60SMD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv4z0HnGdrLjvJKrjQHCeGHVg2NGQEGVpI%3d

just about the biggest bang for your buck.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alohalaoha posted this 19 February 2019

Класс Creasysee ! Super !

 

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creasysee posted this 19 February 2019

Hi all!

I spent a lot of time learning a "Delayed Lenz Effect" when started learning the Figuera device. At the first time, I thought a part G isn't required and I was sure that the device uses multiplication of magnetic fields which have a phase shifting in an iron core.
This effect is described here and when a frequency is 208Hz the half period has 22mm (0.86"). I don't draw any conclusions here, we just need to take this into account, to know that such effects exist and with certain sizes of coils can have a negative (or positive) impact on the operation of the device.

My first tests (over a year ago) are used transistors in A class mode, primaries, and a very narrow secondary. I tried to find a point on the iron core where magnetic fields produce maximum EMF.

Regards, creasysee smile

Marathonman posted this 19 February 2019

100 volt  1 amp but capable of 5 amp.

the reason your Variac is heating up is because you are drawing more amperage then it is rated for.....meaning your part G is failing to control the current flow.

with out a closed core part G you will have to have a huge core to off set the flux losses associated with an open core.

My new C will be here in three weeks  as per Bridgeport Magnetic's.

Regards,

marathonman

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Chris posted this 19 February 2019

Hey MM,

A 10 amp fuse might be wise. But agree, no need to cook ones hard work, one has to be smart.

   Chris

Marathonman posted this 19 February 2019

No offence but please do NOT use a car battery set up a lone.   the amperage available will totally fry any and everything in it's path if you make a mistake. always use a high power ceramic resistor in it's path to limit it's amperage to a relative safe level of operation.  this precaution will not only save your devices but possibly your back side.

at 33 ohm 300 watt ceramic resistor with fan cooling will supply 3 amps  at 100 volts  or 24 volts at 8 ohms  which will not only supply your needs but save your supply from freaking out and shutting down or worse scorching everything you worked so hard for.

set your variac at 1.4 below your desired voltage desired plus caps after the bridge rectifier. ie  for 24 volts from variac set at 17 or 18 volts AC then rectify for 24 volts. peak is 1.4 the means square value then add caps for smoothing.

set veriac at 72 volts for rectified AC of 100 volts plus caps of course adjusted per your bridge rectifiers.

Think of safety first my Garlic down under friend.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 19 February 2019

 Thanks Chris, the 24v is for testing the wave form coming from the commutator, through two opposite 24v bulbs.

 When i get that right, i will need at least 150 volts at small amps, to feed the primary inducers, to kickstart the device.

 A power supply that is adjustable would be ideal, but i think my Variac is either damaged or just too small.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Chris posted this 19 February 2019

Hey Cornboy,

Maybe a Truck Battery? 24V at 600+ Amps for an hour+ may be enough?

   Chris

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Cornboy posted this 19 February 2019

 Hi All,   MM what are you using to supply your build, for the start up?.

 Aetherholic, same question if you dont mind?. 

 The Variac i am using is getting way hot after just a few minutes running 24v dc.

 

 Warm Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Marathonman posted this 18 February 2019

Just remember when building using electronics on top of part G that the peak of each primaries has to be on for twice as long as the one's in the middle to mimic the brush rotation exactly.  what this does is cause an inductive roll off that mimics the AC sine wave exactly like it should thus the secondary outputs AC  sine wave that can run anything you have.

so if using electronics either code that channel to be on for twice as long or wire it to be switched by two channels back to back that way you get the inductive roll off.  also remember you can add a cap to extend the on time slightly longer.

my Aluminum plates and brushes came in as well as ordering the cores from Temple Transformer as i will be talking to him tomorrow. Grainger has 3/8 inch aluminum threaded rod i will be purchasing for the plates to support my part G structure.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 18 February 2019

 "MM, back in those days, what would Ziess use for a G core cylinder?."

It wasn't a cylinder it just rotated in a cylidrical fashion as the brush rotated and that is how he described it.

the original replicator used a toroid core and it worked but it was plagued by parallel inductance. Figuera was more than likely using an E I core with a fat center being close core with a roller brush as that is shown in the patent drawing. the roller brush was used rarely in those days only for specific things.

any type of closed core will do as you can see from Ceasee's video. as long as it is a closed core to preserve the magnetic field and the feed back from the secondary you will be all right. obviously a toroid is the most efficient with the least amount of flux loss then comes C core, then an E i core.

Open cores should be avoided at all cost as the flux losses are way to high and the core needs to be huge to compensate for the loss.

But by all means a cylinder could be used if you had the right core material. commutator bars are not needed because they were actually the windings making contact with the brush. in this case a roller brush would be excellent. but forewarned, you will experience parallel inductance wound like the original replicators repurposed Alternator core and fan assembly.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 17 February 2019

 Thanks Vidura and MM, yeh definatly loosing contact, will see if i can fix it, but a new design will be best.

 

 MM, back in those days, what would Ziess use for a G core cylinder?.

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Marathonman posted this 17 February 2019

" if he used a cylinder Gr it would most likely have been soft iron sewer pipe or similar."

 NOT a chance, do you really think a professor of Physics would use sewer pipe that was special made in Germany......not hardly. more than likely it was made by Zeiss or rather Abby the one that first developed the controller for Zeiss's microscope. the time frame is just to close to be a coincident  and in Germany.  please remember it is drawn in it's completely basic form just for comprehension.

Vidura;

I agree, you can see the spikes and dips as it rotates. most certainly losing contact.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

 

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Vidura posted this 17 February 2019

Hi Cornboy I was reviewing and found that in the newest scope shot there is an oscillation, it seems to be caused by interruption of the current flow, which shouldn't happen. In your commutator the brush should connect to two segments at least every moment to have a continuous current flow. maybe you should make the segments narrower and more quantity. Regards Vidura.

Cornboy posted this 17 February 2019

 OK MM, have done some reading and it looks like i need about 400v 200uf cap across bridge output.

 Also i happen to have a 3kva 1 to 1 isolation tranny on hand. The caps i will have to look through all my unpacked old Don Smith stuff, sure to have what i need there.

 The commutator is another story, the outside housing, being a pvc plumbing fitting, is too flexible, and prone to distortion

 Will make new smaller one with thick aluminum housing and comm bars embedded in resin, then machine the brush surface.

 I have some Garlic payments coming in shortly and am considering having parallel builds going, what i have now and a C core build. 

 Also on doing some research, i have found a company that makes toroidal shape Amorphous cores that can be custom built, even  into a thin walled tube, which i am thinking, back in Clemente's day, if he used a cylinder Gr it would most likely have been soft iron sewer pipe or similar.

 Thanks again for the help,  Cornboy.  smile 

Marathonman posted this 17 February 2019

Yes your set up will be just fine you just need smoothing caps. just for safe measures you might want to mount the bridge rectifier on a heat sink with a fan for good measures. using a variac will give you the advantage of any voltage you need and if it is connected to an isolation 1 to 1 transformer it will have added protection.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 17 February 2019

 Thanks MM appreciate it.

 So can this type of power supply be used in this device?, if not what is the best way to supply 100 to 200 v pure DC ?.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

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Marathonman posted this 17 February 2019

Cornboy;

  No the signal coming from your Bridge rectifier will not be flat line and you need smoothing caps to fill the dip when the AC goes to zero crossing over to the negative side. i would suggest to study up on this subject a little and maybe find a good online tutorial about how much capacitance you need per your current draw. i found one last year and i will see if i bookmarked it, if i did i will get the link to you.

Regards,

Marathonman

 

Marathonman posted this 15 February 2019

ALWAYS !  humanity comes first in my book. that is why i open source everything i know.

Thank you,

now lets build this sucker together and change humanity as we know it !   i will supply the coffee and donuts imported from Barcelona Spain of course....Figuera style.

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 14 February 2019

 Thanks for the advice MM and Vidura, i found what was creating the signals in unison, when i decided to stop the commutator with the power still going to the bulbs, and found i still had half wave signals in unison Huh?.

 I used 24v battery instead and have opposite signals.

 The power source i have been using is 240v mains through a new 1600v 150a bridge rectifier,shouldn't the DC signal coming out of this unit be a flat line?. I have limited electronic knowledge { as you probably have noticed }.

 Going by the signal now, i  have a commutator problem and will be working on that before going forward.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 PS. MM no offense taken, all good, i know your heart is in the right place.

Marathonman posted this 14 February 2019

creasysee;

  When you finish your prototype you know you have to use a more robust IGBT then the one you are using now for the final build like in the 300 plus watt range.  the one you have now is only 56 watt which is of course good for a prototype.

again congrat's !

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 14 February 2019

Congratulations Creasysee!!

Much easier and robust than a rotating brush at 3600 rpm. Much easier to use it in other systems with more or less turns. Definitely much easier to tune.

My guess is that using half of the mosfets will also work.

Congratulations!!

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creasysee posted this 14 February 2019

Hi guys!

I do have to ask are you using PNP's or NPN's with drivers.?   my electronic design was with small NPN's switching big PNP's that can be driven by all sorts of things. but we all know i am with mechanical at this time.

I'm using IGBT transistors STGPL6NC60D and TC4420 drivers.

Regards, creasysee.  smile

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Vidura posted this 14 February 2019

Cornboy, You could try to make a closed path with your g coils using magnetic shunts, joining the end of each coil with the beginning of the next. For testing purposes common soft iron blocks should be ok . If you position the coils vertically in circle you can form a completely closed magnetic path that way. Better would be to use an laminated core from a big transformer or Variac, but as you have this coils you could make a try. Regards Vidura.

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Marathonman posted this 14 February 2019

Cornboy;

  As i have said Figuera used a closed core part G. what this did was preserve the inductance and the feed back from the secondaries without depleting the magnetic field. 

your rods do not have enough self induction or rather inductive reactance to change the current flow other than warp the signal slightly. this is what i was referring to when i said what i said about your rod set up. please do not get upset just please take a good word of advice, the open core of each rod is depleting the very thing Figuera preserved.

Solution to the problem,  attach a second core to each one and join them together at the ends therefore circulating the flux in the core not losing it to free air.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 14 February 2019

creasysee:

  How dare you even doubt me. ha, ha, ha, ha !

Congrats on the electronic part G and a wonderful build and attention to detail. you are most welcome my friend,  so many people doubted me for so long because they were totally stuck on stupid but along comes someone like your self that is open to new horizons just split the Figuera log in two thus making all the crap i took for sooooo long totally all worth it.

I do have to ask are you using PNP's or NPN's with drivers.?   my electronic design was with small NPN's switching big PNP's that can be driven by all sorts of things. but we all know i am with mechanical at this time.

isn't it amazing that inductance can control current flow. just switching the winding count within the time constant of the circuit causing a current reduction. this is the very reason i share with people, to share what i have learned in hope we can change this F up cesspoll we call living being constantly controlled by some greedy ass wipe. 

just a word to the wise, the end channels on both ends must be on longer than the one's in between them to get the inductive decay roll off to mimic the AC wave exactly.

PS. "R" does not exist, it is part G's magnetic resistance (Inductance) drawn in it's elementary form to facilitate the comprehension of the device. R is part G and part G is R,  they are one and the same, Inductance.

CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE IN LEARNING AND BUILDING.!

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Wow Creasysee, that's great work. will look forward to seeing how it drives the inducers.

 Warm Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Thanks MM, i was sure that was the case, so i will troubleshoot what i have done, probably something really dumb and basic.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

creasysee posted this 13 February 2019

Hi Marathonman and all!

I'm presenting a solid state version of part G (SSPG)! This is amazing! It works!!!

How it was made:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mw8DsWQT7kF1UKxP9

Special thanks to Marathonman.

Regards, creasysee. улыбка

Marathonman posted this 13 February 2019

The two wave forms should be opposite of one another Corrnboy. when one is falling the other is rising being 180 from each other.

one at peak the other low.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 13 February 2019

 Hi MM and all, it was so stinking hot here today, i stayed indoors and got to work on my device.

 Is this the wave form we are looking for to drive the inducers? or have i wired it up wrong?

 I must admit i am a scope dummy.

 I have opted for a variac inverted to dc, to start the device, as adjustability will be great.

 This is just testing with 2x24v 70w light bulbs to view the waveform of my new part G.

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 

 

 

Marathonman posted this 13 February 2019

This graph is food for thought thus what is taking place in the Figuera device.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 13 February 2019

Base plates are ordered for my part G from on line metals dot com,  top, middle and lower plate that i will attach most everything to. ordered two different brushes as i noticed the tabs are in the wrong spot and have some threaded rod coming also.  person that worked on the brush holder bent the upper shaft but it is not a problem as i can straighten it out.

2.25 inch square cores 6 inch and 3 inch will be on order in the next few days as will the C core that got trashed by ex so called friends. the cores are coming from Temple Transformer and the C is coming from Bridgeport Magnetics that made my last flawless C core.

below is a representation of what i am trying to accomplish in this controller build part G.

Man it sure is nice making good money again.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 11 February 2019

I am not asking to drop everything, i am just trying to get you to understand the flux losses in an open core part G. i ment no disrespect what so ever and actually gave you multiple compliments on your build skills.. 

have you tested your rods self inductance.?

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 10 February 2019

 Thanks MM, i think.

 I am well aware of what you have been trying to teach, after all, i have been on the Figuera device for a few years now, with UFO, and yourself.

 I am determined to go this path to prove for Myself, that i can stick to one path, and see it to completion, and not keep chopping and changing, also i have limited budget for the next couple of years, starting a new farm from scratch at 65 is not easy, and i am using what i have on hand.

 Please prove me wrong and build a working device based on your teachings, and i will drop everything, even borrow funds, and follow exactly your build.

 Regards  Cornboy  smile

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Marathonman posted this 10 February 2019

"understanding it is only literally a thumb nail dipped in Tar, sketch."

exactly so why try to replicate something that literally does NOT exist ?   Figuera was describing his part G in half quadrants  ie. the first semi circle and the second semi circle which is literally the travel of the brush in a circle on his closed core part G. the commutator bars he was describing were actually the winding's on his closed core part G so therefore it would be an active inductor with a moving positive brush that changes the magnetic flux to current ratio on a steady basis.

but since you used your god given brain, you have inductive rods NOT resistance so your device just might work and i commend you on your build skills. each rod will induce a certain amount or self inductance as per the brush rotation.....very ingenious . just make sure you have the correct inductance as per your current needed and remember he was using a closed core preserving the flux in the core but in your case you have an open core so the cores will have to be much larger to account for the massive flux loss.

Figuera is literally taking DC and giving it Frequency by changing the magnetic flux to current ratio as the brush rotates causing the current flow to increase and decrease which gives it Frequency which will then be INDUCTIVE REACTANCE having AC like qualities but with none of the AC limitations.  with AC we will have to flip the domains in the core which can not be done fast enough in this device so he used DC and just increased and decreased the current flow which gave it AC like qualities...ie inductive reactance

since inductance and current Change go hand in hand each can be the initiator in inductive reactance.  a current change (cause) can cause a change in inductance (effect) as well as a change in inductance (cause) can cause a current change (effect) it is still inductive reactance just initiated by inductance.

inductive reactance, or X L, is the product of 2 times p (pi), or 6.28, the frequency of the ac current, in hertz, and the inductance of the coil, in henries.. X L =2 p x f x L so use this to calculate your current window and you will be just fine remembering to account for your flux losses in your cores and 50 hertz of your country.

excellent build skills Cornboy, i see you accounted for the rotational mass and balanced it...... very nice indeed.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Cornboy posted this 10 February 2019

 

 

 Hi MM, and all, my part G, is simply a rotary switch, my cores are part R they consist of 54x 1.6mm copper coated welding rods, with a 1.2mm copper single winding 240mm long.

 The combined core mass of the 13 inductive resistor bars is 2.6 kg.

 I am trying to replicate the 1908 patent Sketch, as i see it, understanding it is only literally a thumb nail dipped in Tar, sketch.

 

 Warm Regards  Cornboy.  smile

 

 

Marathonman posted this 09 February 2019

Good to see someone has the time to build. yes that was good advice and remember the 2 to 1 ratio on those cores. what are the parameters of your part G.

Finally after all these months in purgatory i was able to pay for the brush holder. here it is not put together just yet with the motor sitting on top. the brushes that rotate on part G will be mounted in the slots that can be adjusted to get my desired current window of high and low. the hole in the side is for the wire from the slip ring and the commutator  through the shaft as it to is drilled out. the wires to the brush has a hole drilled out in the slots to the center shaft hole to connect to each other.

Simply lovely if i say so myself.

 

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 09 February 2019

Thanks Vidura, good advice, will do.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Vidura posted this 09 February 2019

Hey Cornboy, Nice built your commutator, if I may suggest build first one set of triplets and do some testing, good luck!

Cornboy posted this 09 February 2019

 Hi All, finally had some time to work on my new rotary internal commutator, next onto building 5x sets of triplets.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

Marathonman posted this 05 February 2019

And i will gladly be here Peter to aide any and all.

Thank you kindly.

getting bids on core material as we speak from Bridgeport Magnetic's and Temple Transformer.

Marathonman

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Peter posted this 04 February 2019

Hey Marathonman,

 

Very good to hear you're back up and running....

I think more people will call upon your unique understanding of the figuera device, once more of us get close to finishing it.

So nice to know you're connected again.

Happy building.

Kind regards,

 

Peter

 

 

Marathonman posted this 03 February 2019

romanta,

   I personally think one should try to build the original (1908 Patent) which is what this thread is following and get it working before one decides to start making changes to the original design. by building the original design one will there four understand all that is happening in the device, acquire a deep understanding of each piece and the field interactions. once this understanding of the device is achieved one can then make changes to the device to suit ones needs.

good luck just the same.

on a good note this is my first post from my own apartment. i just fired up my computer for the first time in five months and man it sure is nice using a good fast computer for a change.  library computers or cell phone suck big time compared to a 3960E processor, 16 Gig of memory and a Kingston Hyper X SSD all planted on a Gigabyte mother board. BOO YA !

Marathonman

romanta posted this 03 February 2019

I propose a method of winding and manufacturing of primary and secondary coils. As shown by practical application, with this type of wire winding, the inductance of the solenoid is very close to zero. When the inductance is very small, then the level of the back EMF is very small, and the strength of the two solenoids is added.

With respect, Romanta

Marathonman posted this 29 January 2019

Alset:

I am sure Glad you shared that with me as i never would of figured that out by myself.

i have been pursuing this device for 6 years and can probably quote every word in the patent and i care not mix words with you.  i am well aware of the secondary feed back that is commutated then feed into part G. yes Buforn did mention a secondary which is viable option or even a dedicated secondary but you have to remember Buforn was NOT a Physics Professor like Figuera was as he was just a financial backer. yes he did add a few more bread crumbs but them again he was just a financial backer and his subsequent patents were actually null and void as they infringed on the 1908 patent.

If you actually read this thread in it's entirety you will learn what you are mentioning was shared quite a long time ago by myself and it is not I that needs to catch up to present day mind set thank you.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alset posted this 28 January 2019

The secondary output is AC. It can not used directly as feedback to the primaries unless you convert it to DC. Imagine that too.

 

If you read Buforn patents you will note that he used two secondaries: one for net output power and , another , smaller, to be converted to DC and used as feedback.

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Marathonman posted this 28 January 2019

The patent says brush or Group of brushes, imagine that.

Marathonman

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alset posted this 25 January 2019

Thanks for your answers.

The simpler the better (KISS phylosophy), and matching with the patent even better!

Thanks.

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Aetherholic posted this 25 January 2019

alset

I have one brush operating at the moment but I have the second brush available to use.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

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Marathonman posted this 24 January 2019

NO, it is adding to the magnetic field of part G and becomes a separate energy quanta from the current that created it, it then will circulate throughout the system.  as i said the patent even states a brush or group of brushes and confirms there is a switch which is a commutator in reality changing AC from the secondary to DC through the commutator.

my computer is not on line yet as i still need a monitor. i will post a schematic when i can.

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 24 January 2019

Sorry, but I do not understand your point. If you connect the positive and negative of the battery to the part G then you will be shortcircuiting the electromagnets. Maybe I interpreted it wrong. In the patent just the positive is connected the the rotating switch.

 

Could you provide an schematic of all the connections of part G and the electromagnets?

 

Aetherholic, Did you use one or two brushes in your part G?

 

Thanks and sorry if I misunderstood anything.

 

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Marathonman posted this 23 January 2019

Alset;

 

  The secondary loop back is and was the last piece of the puzzle to be solved. in the patent Figuera states a brush or group of brushes and sense part G becomes the power supply when the starting is removed then the secondary must be injected into part G.

with a second brush the secondary feed back can be ran through a commutator thus the positive side can be connected to the positive brush and the negative side can be attached to the second brush adding additional flux to the reducing primaries and the reducing side of part G thus giving the rising primaries an added boost at it's peak to replace the 30 % reducing primaries to get the sweeping action across the secondary.

the reducing side of the device will release it's reduced magnetic field into the system to off set the potential drop of the rising side of the system and the secondary is there to replace looses occurred and to give rise to amplification to the rising primaries.

if you are in the replication process please build your primaries no less then a 2 to 1 ratio at minimum that was the magnetic fields of the primaries can hit the needed pressure for the output.

The electronic switching i came up with will in fact mimic both brushes switching in opposite direction from the same signal generator on top of the inductor. the Figuera device CAN NOT OPERATE without the inductor so without it no self operation will exist.

Thank you very much. i have taken one hell of a beating in the last year but Marathonman is one hell of a trouper and will bounce back stronger then EVER !

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 23 January 2019

Congratulations!!

One question about the part G design: How many brushes are required? I suppose that just one brush is required, to mimick the patent design contacting with the resistance. But in one of the last post I understood that more than one brush is required...

I am fan of electronic switch and the number of contact points must mimick the movement of the brush. Thus why I want to clarify this point.

Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

Good news everyone I just got hired and start Friday, give me a few weeks and let the building begin.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

That will definitely be something that has to be tested. Per turn contact as with the brush gives a very linier rise and fall of current.

I personally will be sticking to mechanical device but will be giving others additional options.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alset posted this 22 January 2019


Hi again, A contact every 5 turns will give a little sharper signal but the function is the same as a contact per turn.

I could say that a contact per turn is still to sharp to run and that you should touch a wire going along all its perimeter in each turn to get a really smooth signal. But this has no sense.

If a contact per turn works I hope that a contact per 5-6 turns should work either.

Thanks!

Marathonman posted this 22 January 2019

On a very good note i have figured out how to switch part G with electronics exactly mimicking the brush rotation to a T but the amazing part is that will include the negative brush from the secondary feed back. Each start of the sigal run will be at opposite ends of the inductor but will be switched by the same signal generator at 60 or 50 cycles a second.

I will be discussing this with other members first before i present this proposal. This will make the Figuera device totally non moving but with the added expenses of electronics.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 18 January 2019

If you can control the current of two different outputs 180 out from one another you will be in the ball park. But one has to remember electronics can not add back into the system like a reducing inductor feeding the increasing side. When the reducing side is reducing it releases the reduction in the form of potential off setting the voltage drop of the rising side. Part G has to be in the system with electronics switxhing the contacts.

On a sad note i got my bench back together but sadly mt ex room mate threw 850 bucjs worth of cores in the trash just to spite me so i literally have nothing to work with at this moment.

Good luck.

Regards,

Marathonman

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romanta posted this 18 January 2019

I apologize for not understanding each other.
Since you looked at the picture, and probably did not perceive the written words through a translator.
With the help of STM32 programming, any current control signal can be achieved. even this one.

 

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Marathonman posted this 18 January 2019

Exactly Zanzal,, the primaries are only reduced to get the seeping action across the entire secondary then back to full potential. This creates two electric fields superimposed over the top of each other along with the other reasons i had mentioned for the reduction of the primaries. If the primaries are taken down to far induction will fail as the coherency between the primaries is lost.

Regards,

Marathonman

Zanzal posted this 17 January 2019

I deviate a little from the original design, and try to clarify the situation with the power supply of the primary coils for the test, without using the "G" reactor.

If you want to do something like this you may find it simpler to use a two channel arbitrary waveform generator. Using one of these you can custom wave form that has the voltage curve you are after and run both channels at the same frequency 180 degrees out of phase. This has the benefit of allowing you to customize the output and try different wave forms. If I understand the principles behind Figuera you should not allow the voltage on either side to ever drop to zero so there should be a DC offset, but you can try it and see how it works.

romanta posted this 17 January 2019

I deviate a little from the original design, and try to clarify the situation with the power supply of the primary coils for the test, without using the "G" reactor.
Based on what I saw and read within this branch, I realized that to power the primary cores, it is necessary to use the pulsating DC component of the current, the only electrical part that can replace the core "G" to some extent with the test time, this is PWM current adjustment . If anyone can write a program for such regulation, I will be very grateful

. 

The graph in the picture does not accurately display the necessary parameters, but I think the point is clear. Thus, we will not lose the extra current for heating the resistors.

 

Regards Romanta

Aetherholic posted this 17 January 2019

Cornboy

There are different ideas for the functioning of this device which will result in different needs for coil sizes. I cant give you a definitive answer yet but obviously what you must make sure of is that the output is able to generate enough amps and volts to power the field. Too high resistance or too low resistance will result in not being able to self excite. The other problem is that one set, two sets or a full number of sets will give you different results due to field interactions between the sets, some of benefit, some not, so the whole array arrangement is important.

I had hoped to have moved faster with the build but I have had a months delay so hopefully I will have more information soon. Dont rely on anything 100%, please do experiments to verify what you are building.

What i can say is that the final system is so close I can taste the OU, I have it in the system and with a non figuerra configuration so its all a question of balance. You will see it in various parts of your system as you progress.

I have absolutely no doubt that there will be success.

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Cornboy posted this 16 January 2019

alset

There is no blueprint for this device yet so my advice is do what I did first and spend time reading each and every post on this and other forums to see where successes and failures have been, work out why and then use this in your design. My tips at this particular moment in time would be dont use tesla winding as its not necessary, make sure you calculate the force on the brush due to rotation so it wont stick in the holder, use a c type core for part G, do hundreds of experiments to understand how the device is operating,

These tips are not gospel and may change so until we are at the stage where an idiots guide to building a working system is available everything is subject to change. I am trying to limit my posts to things which i know for certain are correct.

 

 Aetherholic, your tips obviously come from practical experimenting, Thanks.

 

 As i will soon have a go at winding 5 sets of primaries, what would you suggest as the best winding method, and how much DC resistance is acceptable for a primary coil.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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Cornboy posted this 16 January 2019

Great job Romanta, thanks for sharing.

 Best Regards,  Cornboy.   smile

Vasile posted this 16 January 2019

I like your build so far. Hope to see it complete soon.

All the best!

romanta posted this 16 January 2019

I greet you on this thread of the forum.
I made 6 primary coils and 2 of which I connected a push pool to the generator.
"important note" !!!! never use a switch on transistors to power such coils on a full iron core, this will lead you to the likelihood of fire due to overheating of the core !!!
The winding of the primary coils was 4 layers of 37 turns of wire of 1 mm diameter.
The magnetic field created by this coil with a core, in my opinion, is not strong enough for good operation of the device. I will add 2 more layers of winding. The current supply device of one triad 14 volts and 3 amps. I proceed to the manufacture of secondary coils and reactor G.

 

Aetherholic posted this 15 January 2019

alset,

There has been some discussion before about a solid state solution and i have yet to see a design that can perform the same as a brush version, you would need a mosfet for every turn that the brush would normally be in contact with  to do it correctly. My part G has 93 turns.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

alset posted this 15 January 2019

Aetherholic,

Thank you for your kind answer. Just one last question: What is your opinion about firing the part G with MOSFETs instead of doing it with a rotating brush , which is really very difficult to build properly? Maybe 20 MOSFETs to emulate the whole circle of the brush, so a connection every few turns. I mean leaving direct connection between each set of electromagnets using the part G winding and just injecting the fresh current with electronics. How many turns did you used in your part G?

Thanks and good luck!

Aetherholic posted this 15 January 2019

alset

There is no blueprint for this device yet so my advice is do what I did first and spend time reading each and every post on this and other forums to see where successes and failures have been, work out why and then use this in your design. My tips at this particular moment in time would be dont use tesla winding as its not necessary, make sure you calculate the force on the brush due to rotation so it wont stick in the holder, use a c type core for part G, do hundreds of experiments to understand how the device is operating,

These tips are not gospel and may change so until we are at the stage where an idiots guide to building a working system is available everything is subject to change. I am trying to limit my posts to things which i know for certain are correct.

Aetherholic - One truth, One field

Marathonman posted this 15 January 2019

Sorry for all the mistakes in my postings. using a cell phone to post is a royal pain. all posting over the last few days were corrected and are much more understandable and in better format thanks to the use of a computer.

 

Newton's law of universal gravitation follows an inverse-square law, as do the effects of electric, magnetic, light, sound, and radiation phenomena.

It is also a fading of the distance and mathematical to the source.

The inverse-square law generally applies when some force, energy, or other conserved quantity is evenly radiated outward from a point source in three-dimensional space. Since the surface area of a sphere (which is 4πr2&nbsp is proportional to the square of the radius, as the emitted radiation gets farther from the source, it is spread out over an area that is increasing in proportion to the square of the distance from the source. Hence, the intensity of radiation passing through any unit area (directly facing the point source) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the point source. Gauss's law is similarly applicable, and can be used with any physical quantity that acts in accordance with the inverse-square relationship.

The Iron core creates an easier path for flux to travel but it does NOT stop the Square of the distance.

I rest my case pertaining to the magnetic fields,  Figuera's electromagnets and the Inverse Square Law.

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 15 January 2019

Aetherholic,

Could you give us some tips based on your experience about how we should build this generator? Some ideas about things to do or to avoid?

Grateful for all info. Thanks in advance.

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Marathonman posted this 14 January 2019

NEW INFORMATION.

   In the standard model of inductive reactance you have the (cause) a current change and an ( effect) an inductance change that is taught around the world in every college. since i have basically proven that inductance can control current flow as well as current flow controlling inductance. In the Figuera device we have just that inductance controlling current flow but with an added twist on the old model. I have come to realize that in part G we have not only inductance but inductive reactance except in this case inductance is the (cause) and current flow change is the (effect).  since they are interchangeable Inductive reactance in the Figuera device is  Caused by inductance and the current change is the effects of it's change. It is still inductive reactance while using DC, rotating a brush to give it frequency.

XL= 2P X F X L

XL= inductive reactance measured in ohms.

2 = a constant 2 X P, (3.1416) = 6.28

F = the AC frequency of the supply but in this case of DC it is the brush speed which gives the frequency at 60 hertz 3600 rpm 50 hertz 3000 rpm all others.

L = the inductance of the coil on part G's core.

Example;

Part G positive brush at set N side measured at set S 0.2 henries inductance.

6.28 X 60 Hertz X .0.2 heneries is 75.36 ohms.

120 volts excitation / 75.36 = 1.59 amps of current flow on the low side of set N.

Set N measured at it's highest potential gives 0.15 henries inductance.

6.28 X 60 hertz X 0.15 henries = 56.52 ohms.

120 volt / 56.52 ohms = 2.12 amps of current flow when set N is high.

These calculations are will help you calculate part G's inductance and currents running through it. 120 volt is just an example as mine i will have 100 volts.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 13 January 2019

When you retract a magnetic field in the space occupied by the secondary you cause a circular electric field around the secondary at that very moment your increasing electromagnet is occupying the same space producing another electric field that is superimposed over the top of the first electric field. Since both electric fields are positive, additive and in the same direction you get an increase in output that matches that of a standard generators high intensity field that utilizes both poles. Figuera device is a Duel Mono-Pole Excitation System that compresses the field lines to match that of a standard generator.

It's that simple.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 12 January 2019

Members, builders and readers please do tests on your magnets and electromagnets to verify what i have been trying to convey to you that a magnetic field will only project out the actual lengrh of the core from whence it was born. Once you do this you will see why i said 2 to 1 ratio.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 12 January 2019

Yes great work and those bobbins look home made..... Brovo! Just remember to make your primaries twice as large as your secondaries and your oyster will open freely.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 12 January 2019

 Great Work Romanta.

 Regards  Cornboy.   smile

romanta posted this 11 January 2019

in my free time I am engaged in preparing for the manufacture of a small device.

Marathonman posted this 07 January 2019

Alset;

  The force of 1000 turns will be much higher then that of 100 turns but it still reduces by the square of the distance. a three inch core with 1000 winds will project at most when saturated to 3.2 to 3.3 inches which is still not enough pressure at 3 inches to amount to squat output. Now increase the core length to 6 inches and watch the output go through the roof, thus your oyster will open.

Regards,

Marathonman

alset posted this 05 January 2019

Then a 3-inch long primary has the same magnetic force no matter if it has 100 turns or 1000 turns.

I never thought that length was more important than N•I^2

Keep on the good work!

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Marathonman posted this 04 January 2019

Some might say that the Inverse Square Law doesn't apply to magnetism and that other Laws apply. i say BS. if it deals with the Electric fields, Radiation and such you can darn well bet it applies to the magnetic field also.

do the tests at your shop or home and verify what i have stated. my own tests proved the magnetic field conforms  to the Inverse Square Law to the Tee.  if you have a 3 inch primary your field emanating from that 3 inch core will only be 3 inches because it is reducing in intensity by the square of the distance.

so if you have a 3 inch primary and a 3 inch secondary the field at the end of the secondary emanating from the primary will will be BARELY detectable and in no way can you maintain the required pressure between your primaries. all you people thinking a 3 inch primary will project out 6 inches needs to rethink your approach as this will never happen in my life time, your life time or on Mars.

from now on make your primaries no less than double the length of your secondaries and your oyster will open.

Regards,

Marathonman

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Marathonman posted this 31 December 2018

YES ! you heard me right, the Figuera device is a DUEL MONO POLE EXCITATION SYSTEM that does not utilize both poles as does a standard generator to attain the high intensity field. it uses two mono poles to compress the field lines to that of a standard generator then increases one and reduces the other to create not only the Electric fields in the same direction but to also induce motion into the secondary.

I am purchasing the chart boards tomorrow for the video i am in the midst of making explaining the Inverse Square Law in full and why it is directly applicable to the Figuera device.

Use the 2 to 1 ratio and watch the oyster open up.

Happy new year.

Regards,

Marathonman

Marathonman posted this 29 December 2018

romanta;

  Thank you for confirming my results.

although i am skeptical of your signal approach i applaud you for your innovation. in your circuit.  how do you plan on recycling the power in the inducer side of the system remembering both inducer and induced are two separate  systems.

The inverse square law is directly applicable to the mono poles of the Figuera device and i am very glad you realized this at an early stage in your build. the magnetic field must be able to project passed the secondary if one is to maintain the pressure when reduced.

CONGRATS ! you are one of the very few that listened to sound advice.

PS. Welcome aboard.

Regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 29 December 2018

 OK Thanks Romanta, understand.

 

 Regards  Cornboy.  smile

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romanta posted this 29 December 2018

I also want to conduct an experiment using a copper washer at the end of the solenoid. As is known from old sources, a short-circuited turn of the wire at the end of the solenoid does not allow the magnetic field of the FAST core to leave the core. What will come of this, I will know only after the experiments in the new year of January 9th. because my lab will be unavailable.

Do not understand this as a deviation from the original Figuera device, I just want to make the device more economical in its work.

romanta posted this 29 December 2018

 Hi Romanta, thanks for posting your results here and Welcome.

 If you don't mind me asking how do you switch your drive coils, and what do you use for resistance in your circuit?.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.   smile

And I apologize in advance for my poor English, this is not my native language.

My coil power circuit is standard for powering the push pool. This circuit is not intended to work with the Figuera device. Power to the entire device is not more than 18 volts. Current 5A. I just check how the coils work with different directions of the magnetic field and with different secondary coils.SHEM

Cornboy posted this 28 December 2018

 Hi Romanta, thanks for posting your results here and Welcome.

 If you don't mind me asking how do you switch your drive coils, and what do you use for resistance in your circuit?.

 Best Regards  Cornboy.   smile

romanta posted this 28 December 2018

Good day to all. In the old year I began a series of experiments on the topic of Figuera, at the moment what MM says is true. after I made the secondary coil half shorter, I got a much larger power output. I plan to cut the coil still, and see what happens, with the same input parameters of the primary coils.This is up to change.This is after the change.

Marathonman posted this 27 December 2018

People please listen to these words i say now, " Inverse square law and the square of the distance."

in a transformer and a standard generator you have poles that are high pressure and a pole that is low pressure that causes the high intensity fields. in the Figuera device we have a duel mono pole excitation system that conforms to the inverse square law.

in my own test i confermed this to be true, the magnetic fields will only project out as long as the core it is coming from whether it be magnet or electromagnet.

a 3 inch core will only project out 3 inches thus if you have a 3 inch primary and a 3 inch secondary your field will be so week by the time it gets out three inches it will be Zero pressure. it can not  project out pass the secondary core even without the other primary in place.

in the 1908 patent it shows the core twice that of the secondary which has very substantial merit according to the inverse square law and in research it shows that any builder of the Figuera device that has the cores the same size will Never get an output  worth squat.

I am working on a you tube video at this moment that explains this in very much detail as to why it is so and why no one is getting anything out of their build.

start building your primaries twice the size as your secondaries.......2 to 1 ratio and you will be rewarded.

regards,

Marathonman

Cornboy posted this 21 December 2018

Have great time off everyone, glad to see you back at it Peter and MM.

 I too will have a bit of play time shortly.

 

 Best regards  Cornboy.   smile

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Marathonman posted this 21 December 2018

Thank you Peter, and happy Holidays to you also.

it is good you have progress and i to am getting the bench back together.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE !

Regards,

Marathonman

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Peter posted this 21 December 2018

Wishing all you builders  happy holidays( if you got one) and the best new year (with loads of excess energy).

Finished annealing my cores, got my copper wire. Christmas time is coil winding time   HOHOHO...

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Marathonman posted this 14 December 2018

No problem alohalaoha  any questions are not a bother and one must ask questions to learn.

Figuera  ran a 20 Hp motor and his street lights so i will leave you with your capacitive, inductive and purely resistive load question with an answer of all of them. 

my personal tests did not get that far but they will in the future.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alohalaoha posted this 14 December 2018

Marathonman what kind of load Figuera device prefer pure resistive or mixed with capacitive and inductive component.

Would be very hard to tune output to pure resitive load Z= R +/- jx0 withouth network analyser. Figuera device is a partnered bucked system, so it is directly winding lenght dependent. As you already know partnered coils we can visualise like a short-circuited transmission line.

That's all. I didn't came here to bother you and make empty talks, only to hear from the first hand what do you think ?

Thanks for your detailed explanations and replies to my posts.

I wish you success, and good luck.

Reg.

Aloha

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Marathonman posted this 13 December 2018

The magnetic fields of the secondaries are loosely coupled at best as it is the Lenz field that is swept from side to side across the secondary. all fields are opposing except for the original current flowing in the secondary.

it is quite hard for people to grasp the idea of the lenz created field in the secondary that is what is swept from side to side. on that note a load has to be attached to the secondaries in order for the device to operate properly because if the load is not present the current will not flow and the Lenz field will not form. if the field is not present the primaries can not induce motion into the secondaries giving the illusion of motion to the Electric field formed by the primaries in their increase and decrease of their magnetic fields.

I see you have a fairly good grasp on what is taking place in the Cores of the Figuera device.

Regards,

Marathonman

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alohalaoha posted this 10 December 2018

Hey Marathoman,

Thank you for detailed explanations.

It is a truth that "All new is old time forgotten old" like in Russia said. Figuera is one of first who had discovered anomaly effect of bucking coils.

What i could comprehend about Figuera till now without deep study in details, that his system is acting like balancing on the edge.

Two currents start flowing into two opposite sides of each primary. These curents induce two seconary's magnetic fields opposite to each other and again opposite to the primary magneic fields. These two opposite fields are additionaly compressed by two primary fileds. As the result, load coil which is magneticaly coupled to the both, sees these compressions like two sinchronised motional electric fields, which create additive electro motive force across the load.

Good luck

Aloha