Hi guys!
In the past I play a bit with the Figuera concept. It use the POC as we already know the potential. I think this guy, Marathonman, understand the principe behind the Figuera device...
Chris, if there already a tread about Clemente Figuera, feel free to move this at the good place!
Vince;
I don't have time to discuss as i am late for work. will elaborate tonight.
Aetherholic;
Your coil/core looks outstanding but which is it a primary or a secondary. ??
Marathonman
Vince;
I will ask you again if you have read all the posts from me describing the sequences.
Yes the secondary will in fact have a north and a south pole but i just drew the graph for simplicity sake as the pole will flip as it is swept from side to side. yes, the graph is at the central point where both electromagnets are equal which will be at zero crossing AC in the secondary. it is the reverse field (Lenz Law) that is pushed from side to side that gives the illusion of motion to the electric field just like a standard generator.
NO, the fields (Electromagnets) are not taken high then low simultaneously each one is opposite from the other. while one is reducing the other is rising. what this does is reverse the Electric field of the reducing electromagnet to match that of the rising electromagnets electric field. this causes them both to be positive and additive all while the magnetic field pressure remains opposing.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Marathonman
Marathonman
It is an exciter coil.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
In that case you are correct as i would throw out the software because something doesn't add up.
i think you might agree with me at this point to why i chose to stay away from electronics and definitely simulation.
Marahoman
Thank you MM. I have been a little confused trying to follow this thread. However I think that the problem is one of language rather than concept.
In the initial post here on this thread by Wistiti the magnets in the opening image of the video show's two magnets with the facing poles marked N on the left and S on the right. That is a little confusing. In fact I see now that we are on the same page regarding the orientation of the fields and their relationship to each other and have been from the very beginning it seems.
I haven't read everything written on this site yet, however you have to consider the fact that there are a large number of posts on this site and I have only been on here for a few weeks. Figuera is not my only area of interest in electromagnetics.
I too have been investigating Figuera's device for a considerable time now. Initially I believed he was using resistance in part G, as do most who have read his patents I think. That is why I said his supply would have been "lossy" in my initial post. The transformer Fig1 in my first post Are these coils opposing? was a means of supplying the required currents to test Figuera's primaries and secondary arrangement. It was the simplest method I could devise of supplying the two required AC currents at 180° phase differential. You can see the wave forms in the scope shot below Fig1 in cd_spharps post in that thread (where he kindly helped me) .
My approach seems to be a little different to most apparently. I am no genius and with that in mind I try to reduce everything into bite sized chunks when investigating anything. So I decided a while back to concentrate on the (I call that part a transformer) coil/core arrangement first.
Thank you very much MM for the clarification. Very much appreciated.
Vince;
I am not asking you to read everything on this site, what i am asking you to do is read everything on this THREAD. you or anyone else for that matter blindly posting is disruping the flow of this thread. if you do not understand well please take the time to read the posts and catch up to US not to you.
we are all way ahead of you so please stop and take the time to catch up.
when you are done and still have questions please feel free to ask any question you want.
PS. the video you are referring to was mine...... the person you are speaking to so if you have any questions please feel free to ask.
regards,
Marathonamn
Actually, I believe I have read everything on this thread MM. However, as I have CFS, I don't always remember everything I read.
read the posts and catch up to US not to you
I'm sorry, but I don't see that I have ever said anything whatsoever that suggested I thought I was ahead of anyone here MM.
we are all way ahead of you so please stop and take the time to catch up
With all due respect, you really have no idea what I have been doing, or what I know about Figuera that I have not revealed here MM. I find this remark to be quite ungracious of you.
"ungracious of you"
you have got to be kidding, i have bent over backwards for people so can you please just read my post again or how ever many times it takes to get the workings of this device down. if i have to explain it 10 times to you maybe this device may not be your cup of tea.
Marathonman
Thank you MM for your offer of help. I do understand the relationship between the primaries etc and have done for quite some time. That is not what I needed your help with.
I simply wasn't sure what you were trying to say. I don't necessarily entirely agree with the conventional view of all things in electromagnetics or science in general but I do find that convention is still quite useful when trying to convey information or an idea. Your ways of explaining things involve language and concepts that are quite foreign to convention MM. When you write "relative motion of the primaries being raised and lowered inducing motion into the secondary" in reference to completely stationary objects it is quite confusing. I am not obliged to learn your special use of language.
With all due respect, I am not trying to actually replicate Figuera's generator. Perhaps I should have stated that previously. The underlying principals that Figuera developed re the relationship between his primaries and secondary will never change. However that was over 112 years ago and we have methods available today that were not available at that time.
Personally I am trying to use what I can of each to achieve the same overall result. Perhaps that is not what you yourself or some others are doing and I respect that entirely. However, that it is what I am doing, and I ask that you respect that too.
Vince;
You barged in in the middle of a build disrupting this thread asking questions that have already been addressed many, many times and you ask me to respect what you are doing. yah get real dude.
if you are building something other that the original Figuera build then i personally don't want to hear it . i expect respect from you towards this thread which personally i have not seen none what so ever. if you feel you need to start another thread with what ever is up your sleeve than by all means knock your self out and i wish you luck as you will need it..
This thread is dedicated to the original Figuera device and i can really care less what other ideas other people have at this time as i am right and have been right all along over the six years of my life i devoted exclusively to the one device.
I am not trying to make anyone mad by no means but all i see is distractions. if you want to know how the device works by all means read the thread if you don't then don't disrupt the flow as i have had to much of that on other forums to last a life time.
Regards,
Marathonman
The secondary will in fact be polarized with one end being north and the other being south. it is the north opposing field from the Lenz effect that produces an opposing field in the secondary and it is this field that is pushed from side to side by the primaries. as i see it the south field is attracted to the two north face primaries but as current starts to flow the north opposing field is created (Lenz Law) that opposes the change and it is this field that is sandwiched between the primary opposing north fields. as i said the primaries produce the electric field just like a standard generator and the secondary has to have motion through this field in order for current to flow so the sweeping action of the primaries from side to side is the relative motion of the secondary to the electric field just like a standard generator.
there has to be some kind of motion through the electric field as the field is stationary as it is in a standard generator so the secondary's motion through the electric field causes current to flow. in the Figuera device it is more like virtual motion yet still motion to the electric field.
I hope this can be understood by everyone as i am surely NOT using any type of special foreign naming scheme.
Regards,
Marathonman
Validation of Figuera Triplet coils and Marathonman's theoretical explanation using FEMM 4.2
To check my coil setup I decided to simulate the magnetic field of the coil triplet using FEMM. The setup is top and bottom opposing field (N-N) and a central output coil. Dimensions including air gap were exported from CAD into FEMM. Coils were simulated using correct wire gauge and number of turns. Cores were simulated using pure Iron. DC conditions were used at the 3 extremes of exciter currents. Output coil currents were set to be opposing the movement direction of the field (as per Marathonman's explanations).
Condition 1 - Top coil 10A Bottom coil 5A Output coil drawing -10A
Condition 2 - Top coil 7.5A Bottom Coil 7.5A Output coil drawing 0A
Condition 3 - Top coil 5A Bottom coil 10A Output coil drawing 10A
Finally a simulation with no load was done - - Top coil 10A Bottom coil 5A Output coil drawing 0A
Results
As can be seen, with a load on the output coil the field outside the cores is swept backwards and forwards over the output coil and surprisingly the field within the core is pushed into the core of the less energized exciter. The fourth plot shows clearly that if there is no load, the field on the output coil remains static.
A further plot was done where the current was set to produce an opposing field at the more energized exciter:
This produced less gauss on the output coil but the change in gauss, induction, may actually be more.
Conclusions
From the simulation the output coil must have a load for the system to work and two field movements are involved, one outside the cores and one within.
Figuera Device - the ultimate magnetic feed forward machine.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
Aetherholc;
It seams your simulation is not so stagnant after all as it is quite correct, there has to be a load on the output in order for the device to work and even be tested otherwise there will by zero on the test bench. this was brought up when i was on another Forum but apparently i failed to bring it up here which i am much sorry for my mistake or forgetfulness. or my otherwise lack of full disclosure and for that i am truly sorry.
One thing i will bring up is the evidence that Figuera might have use 1 amp with the spilling of Buforn's guts as he did indeed run his mouth in his prior nullified patents. i would just use this as a guide line to work with though which is what i am doing.
PS. your simulation still does not look right as it shows the wrong field projections but i guess that is just me.
Regards,
Marathonman
Marathonman
I completely agree, a simulation is only as good as the simulator which in this case assumes the imaginary field lines can flow from pole to pole which is clearly incorrect but until we have a correct simulator its the only thing we have to work with that might save some time when designing the coils as long as we recognize its severe limitations. The good thing is that it managed to simulate the need for a load and so all testing should as you said be done with a load in place and i would think preferably the load which the coils are designed to drive because only then will the required exciter current for that particular coil arrangement be apparent.
As you have proved before there is no substitute for bench work.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
Based in the simulations I just wound my second exciter coil. Next few hours I hopefully will have an output coil finished so I can get back to the fun bit, the bench work.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
The simulation of the field lines going from field to field in an electromagnet is quite possibly correct (kind of). as we all know a magnet has both fields intersecting at the bloch wall but an electromagnet will not let that happen because of the windings blocking it from happening. i think that is one of the reason why an electromagnet is much stronger as all field lines are streaming from pole to pole but in a magnet they are not. of course there are millions of domains involved also but you know what i mean.
"As you have proved before there is no substitute for bench work"
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Regards,
Marathonman
It would of been nice to see a sim of part G but the dynamics involved are so complex it would take a while for the coding of the program. even though Part G is an Inductor the functions increases dramatically taking it from a static device to an active position it the circuit. it splits the feed in two, raises and lowers the current on both sides of the brush, forward bias like a mag amp, stores and releases potentials at the exact moment needed and becomes the power supply when the starting is removed.
many, many dynamics involved.
Regards,
Marathonman
This graph depicts the the exact thing that is happening in the Figuera part G device.
as the brush is rotating the winding count changes per that side of the brush separated by two north opposing fields. as the magnetic field to current ratio is either increased or decreased per side it changes the opposition to current flow. the more the magnetic field linking loops the less current flow, the less magnetic field linking loops the more current will flow.
each loop added to that side of the brush will add to the magnetic field to current ratio so according to Faraday's Laws any change in magnetic field induces EMF which according to Faraday's Laws of induction to occur a magnetic field change has to take place in which it just did. according to the Lenz Law it will be opposite to the original current flow which will reduce the original current flow as more loops are added and increase the current flow the more loops are subtracted.
each time the side that adds magnetic linking loops and current is reduced, it will release the reduced current potential from the magnetic field into the system combined with the reducing primary's reduced potential will off set the rising side potential drop.
each time the side that subtracts magnetic linking loops and current is increased, it will store into the magnetic field for the next half cycle of reduction causing a voltage drop on that half of the system.
each side of the system will off set each other so the added secondary loop back will cause the losses to be replaced and amplification within part G to the rising side of the system.
Regards,
Marathonman
I find it hilarious people hop from thread to thread never mastering any one device. i personally think the key to me understanding this device so fully is one, the original replicator but in reality i devoted my every last minute over the last 6 years to the understanding of this device. this would not of happened and i would not be here sharing with everyone if i had not done this from the start. i think it is imperative for a person to know everything about something they are pursuing not blindly jumping all around spouting false or incorrect information. (Blind conclusions)
It does make me laugh and i find it most comical watching this happen so to me it is like watching someone having a seizure and knowing nothing about it.
if a person truly wanted a device to be known to the world then they would devote their life to such a device and this is exactly what i have done. i give no one BS and can care less what others do with the info presented but the select few that actually do care are already on this thread and i for one salute you for taking the first and the second step on the road to independence.
The Figuera device will always be my one and only true love as she is one fine piece of machinery.
Regards,
Marathonman
Faraday's law is a single equation describing two different phenomena: the motional EMF generated by a magnetic force on a moving wire (see Lorentz force), and the transformer EMF generated by an electric force due to a changing magnetic field (due to the Maxwell–Faraday equation).
James Clerk Maxwell drew attention to this fact in his 1861 paper On Physical Lines of Force. In the latter half of Part II of that paper, Maxwell gives a separate physical explanation for each of the two phenomena.
A reference to these two aspects of electromagnetic induction is made in some modern textbooks. As Richard Feynman states:
So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) ...
Yet in our explanation of the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases – v × B for "circuit moves" and ∇ × E = −∂tB for "field changes".
We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.
— Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
This applies to the standard off the shelf transformer ONLY as there are steps to side step this fact and the 1932 Coutier device does just that as does a few others..
Again i can not emphasize the importance of the Inverse Square Law. when you are dealing with magnetic fields the projected magnetic field is in proportion to the length of the core it's self. what this means is the magnetic field will project out only the actual length of the core so if you have a three inch core the magnetic field diminishes rapidly to zero per the length of the core it's self.
so what i am trying to say is when building your primaries always make the cores and coil at least 1/3 longer than the secondaries so when your primaries are reduced it will still be able to maintain the pressure between them. if the secondary core is the same length the reduction of current will be to great to get the sweeping action across the secondaries and induction will fall to that of the rising primaries alone. always wind the coil almost the entire length of the core.
Marathonman
Finally some good news on my part, i have 10 lbs of 14 awg wire coming. now if i can just Get the lousy CNC guys to actually do my brush holder i will be fine. it sure was nice to finally buy supplies after a month of working a sorry low paying job but my next check is all mine and will have enough to get my build back on track.
life is ruff some times but hard work always prevails. NEVER give up no matter what.
Aetherholic;
It is quite amazing how a load on the secondary changes the whole magnetic environment of the cores. even in a standard generator there is always a phantom load on the primaries..... can you guess what it is......??? which is the AVR and the Primaries. when the whole thing is built and the secondary is connected to part G for feed back the primaries and the brush motor will be the phantom load on the static generator when no load is present. that way it will continue to produce output and not loose induction.
i am sure you understand what i just said as if i even need to ask.
regards,
Marathonman
Marathonman
So, correct me if i am wrong, my interpretation of what you said is:
We have two exciter arrays, part G, a commutator and the output coil array. In order for the correct fields to be generated there must always be a current flowing through the output coil of the correct polarity.
In the initial condition we have a DC supply connected to part G north brush and via part G to the exciters. We also have the Output coil connected to the north brush via the commutator. So in this initial condition, the external DC if connected correctly, is commutated as AC to the output coil maintaining the correct polarity minimum AC field in the output coil until the induced AC via the exciters takes over.
Now I am trying to work out the connections for the DC, the negative return from the exciters, the commutator, the south brush and the output coil.
Here is my part G and output coil without exciting the output coil with additional current.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
Aetherholic;
Correct, as there has to be a load on the output at all times. the DC is raised and lowered from part G to the primaries which causes the AC in the secondary no commutation. the commutation is from the secondary feed back commutated to DC for part G and the primaries. the only AC is in the secondary and the load.
Yes, once the polarization takes place the primaries and the secondaries part ways and it is just the sweeping motion of the primaries inducing motion into the secondaries.
your wave forms are looking better.
inducing system is DC the output is AC with feed back to part G commutated to DC just like a standard generator.
idea1man;
I went that rout once and people accused me of assorted things so NO i think i will do it on my own. besides i have saved up enough to get my brush holder CNC done.
and yes i am aware of his affliction, what does it change and i have no interest in jet engines but i am sure he does. i am here for the Figuera device not jet engines.
I have had in the past such a traumatic skull injury that it almost killed me leaving me with diminished eye site in my right eye, a fused vertebra in my lower neck and memory problems but do you see me asking for sympathy, NO, i just take actions to get around it. i definiitely don't go around broadcasting it either.
Regards,
Marathonman
It is quite amazing once you realize with the change of inductance the current flow will be reduced just how smart Figuera actually was in using an active not static inductor in his system. running current through one loop of wire over an Iron core will not change the current much at all but adding multiple loops to the core then you will have much more self inductance as the loops magnetically link to each other increasing the opposing magnetic field to current ratio. then using a closed core controller you will achieve an even higher efficiency with very little flux loss.
since the magnetic field is basically the brakes to current flow the larger the magnetic field the lower will be the current flow. as Faraday's states for any induction to take place all that is needed is for the magnetic flux to change within the circuit and never states anything about current. since we are using DC in the system the circuit has to be changing at a constant rate or self induction will cease.
so Figuera used an Inductor that has a positive moving contact that constantly changes the amount of loops that magnetically link to the circuit and in doing so constantly changes the intensity of both magnetic fields on either side of the brush that cause self induction within each independent sides of the circuit to take place. this is in exact accordance with Faraday's Laws of induction.
If you have two negative sides to an Inductor with a moving positive brush contact, you will in fact have two opposing magnetic fields at the positive contact that will keep those two sides of the circuit completely separate but in complete unison.
thus the end result that Figuera achieved was two electromagnets that increase and decrease in absolute unison which is required in order to maintain the required pressure between them and on going induction to take place. the magnetic fields will never combine yet the Electric fields are positive and additive.
then on top of all that, when one side is reduced that portion of the reduced magnetic field is released into the system combined with the reduced primary potential to off set the rising side voltage drop as any increase in magnetic field storage will cause a voltage drop in potential. he then looped back a portion of the output just like a standard generator, to replace the losses occurred and give rise to amplification to the rising primary.
Sheer Genius!
Marathonman
When the primaries polarize the secondaries it would seem that the South end of the secondaries are attracted to the north face of the opposing primaries but as current starts to flow in the secondaries and the load the Lenz Law comes into play developing a North Opposing field inside of the secondary. it is this field that is pushed from side to side across the secondary through the Electric field formed by the primaries.
the sweeping action of the primaries being raised and lowered with the North opposing field of the secondary being sandwiched in between them gives the secondary the illusion of motion to the Electric field. this is exactly like a standard generator as it to has to have motion through the Electric field in order for EMF to occur. the Electric field in a standard generator is stationary so the rotation of the rotor is used to induce EMF thus just like a standard generator the Figuera device uses the sweeping motion of the primaries with the opposing field of the secondary between them to induce EMF.
according to Faraday's Laws of induction to occur there has to be motion of either the field or the wire and that is what is taking place in a standard generator with the rotation of the rotor. in the Figuera device the sweeping action of the primaries from side to side with the opposing field of the secondary is this the very motion needed for EMF to occur. even though it is more like virtual motion it is still motion needed for EMF to take place.
thus in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction.
Regards,
Marathonman
Bad new is the CNC guys are not going to do my brush holder. the good news is i found another CNC shop 5 miles from my house and Thursday i have an appointment with them and will have my new brush holder soon there after. i am so excited i can hardly sit still as they said no problem.
next Sunday i should be able to post some pics of my progress. (FINALLY) Oh, and my 14 awg wire will be here tomorrow. YAHOO !.
Regards,
Marathonman
I owe you an apology Marathonman, and I do believe it should be stated here publicly. You clearly do know how Figuera built his generator.
I had previously believed that he used resistance in his part G due to the wording and diagrams in his patent. Not to mention the many attempts online to replicate it. However it is clear to me now that I was entirely incorrect, and you have been right all along.
I often use CAD software to visualize things I wish to build. It helps me to examine them from various angles and perspectives. If I can help you by assembling your part G in 3D and export images from that for you so that others can see more clearly what you are describing I am more than willing to do so.
I am truly very sorry for things I have written previously and hope that you will accept my genuinely heart felt apology.
Vince
Very Gracious of you and excepted.
At first i to was taken by the drawing many years ago and even made a small device with resistance wire but it got very hot in 5 minutes of usage.
upon further research i noticed the patent said, and i Quote; "R" the resistance is drawn in it's elementary manor to facilitate the Comprehension of the entire system." I then noticed the wire in the R section was wavy like wire loops with this and it being in it's elementary manor it was quite evident it was not a resistor network. given the fact of this and resistance creates a lot of heat and losses there was not doubt it was an inductor as there is no way a Physics Professor would use a heat death part in his device..
So i began researching Inductors, Self Inductance and the Lenz Law and low and behold i came across this years ago in Wikipedia, "Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current"
and
"The inductance of a coil can be increased by placing a magnetic core of ferromagnetic material in the hole in the center. The magnetic field of the coil magnetizes the material of the core, aligning its magnetic domains, and the magnetic field of the core adds to that of the coil, increasing the flux through the coil. This is called a ferromagnetic core inductor. A magnetic core can increase the inductance of a coil by thousands of times..
There are many other examples i can post but i am sure you get the drift as i am sure i already posted them.
I then began to do bench tests to verify this very Phenomenon and Bingo ! I found that a moving positive brush will in fact change the current on regular basis if and only if the brush contact stays in motion.
this is called magnetic flux linking that changes with the brush movement that add or subtracts winding's to that side of the brush. with each magnetic link it changes the intensity of the magnetic field thus in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction to occur as all it stated is a change in magnetic field.
in this case it will oppose the original current flow and amplified by the magnetic iron core. using thick wire you will achieve a very lossless near perfect Inductor that store and releases potential exactly when needed.
With AC the current change causes induction to occur with DC the change in the circuit causes the Induction to occur.
I rest my case.
as soon as my brush holder is done and built it, i will release a video that shows the world just what an active Inductor can do. with lights replacing the Primaries for a good visual representation in complete Unison.
Regards,
Marathonman
According to Faraday's Laws of induction all that is needed is for the flux to change in intensity either up or down. as long as the intensity changes you will have EMF in your system.
with AC the current up and down causes the flux change and this is the only thing that is taught in every school. what is not taught in school is if you use DC and change the circuit it self, it will cause a flux change producing EMF.
FLUX always has to change in order for EMF to occur.
if you constantly add or subtract winding's you are constantly changing the flux intensity the produces EMF that opposes the original current flow.
so in the Figuera device he used an Inductor with a moving positive brush that constantly changes the magnetic field to current ratio adding or subtracting loops to that side of the system. both halves of the system are either being raised or lowered at all times in complete unison. as it is being raised that half of the system is storing into the magnetic field for the next reduction cycle and the reducing side is releasing the stored magnetic potential into the system off setting the voltage drop of the rising side that is storing into the magnetic field.
The perfect inductor is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction that simply states there has to be a flux change in order for EMF to take place. so as the brush rotates the flux just changed and EMF is produced.
Imagine that !
Regards,
Marathonman
At the last minute i changed the brush holder design to add a bearing for support and stability. the last change will alleviate all the pressure on the motor shaft coupling thus all the pressure will be on the bearing it self. i just ordered the last parts i need and as usual Eurton Electric came to the rescue.
Marathonman
It is really simple folks.
if you have X amount of loops on an iron core the self induction will be X amount that opposes the current flow. if the contact is stationary the current flow will equalize to a steady state.
if you add winding's to the coil the self Inductance will in fact have changed as adding loops changed the magnetic flux to current ratio causing an even larger current reduction then it to will equalize to a steady state.
if you move the contact on a continuous basis adding or subtracting loops, the self Induction will in fact change on a steady basis which will be opposing to the original current flow. so in doing so an EMF is produced in the circuit that opposes the original DC current flow because the magnetic flux has changed and this change according to Faraday's Laws of Induction will cause an EMF to occur that will be opposing to the original current flow.
static self induction taken to an active self induction with the rotation of a positive brush will in fact control current flow by changing the magnetic flux to current ratio which is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction.
anyone stating otherwise is just fooling themselves and others.
Regards,
Marathonman
I have to reemphasize the importance of winding your primaries specifically as electromagnet. unlike a standard generators primaries that are wound with resistance in mind the Figuers device primaries are not according to present day teachings because they DO NOT control the current flow.
Part G controls the current flow so why add complexity when not needed. since part G controls the current flow wind your primaries with as little resistance as possible keeping in mind that all the smaller parts add up the the the ability of your power supply. since part G becomes the power supply once the starting is removed it should be wound with thick enough wire to handle the load of everything else with some head room.
wind your primaries with as little resistance as possible to attain the highest magnetic field possible with the fastest response time. the secondaries on the other hand ARE wound according to present day teachings just like the output of a standard generator.
Part G's self Inductance controls the current flow NOT the primaries so wind accordingly.
Regards,
Marathonman
Changing Inductance over time not current over time will in fact control current flow. this is the magnetic flux to current ratio and as the brush rotates so does the change in Inductance occur which is the reverse EMF to the original current flow, the magnetic linking to the circuit.
any change in the magnetic field either up or down in intensity will cause Induction to occur. Faraday's Laws of Induction at work as the brush rotates.
try to find that in your collage test book. NOT !
Regards,
Marathonman
Good news is i just received my bearing and the right size commutator from Eurton Electric. bad news is my knee blew out on me and i am grounded until the swelling goes down. sucks getting old.
Regards,
Marathonman
It seems still wrong to me as the Equation just isn't right, it seams that dL/dt would seem correct and not have I involved. this as the regular BS from Corporate taught BS is the most confusion ever.
But then again as someone suggested L and I are changing over time.
Anyway it is Inductance over time which changes current over time so i guess it is right.
Regards,
Marathonman
Just received my last parts from Eurton electric. just waiting for the new CNC guys to finish my brush holder
Regards,
Marathonman
Just received the epoxy for my part G last night. it has a 3 hour window for winding and cures in 24. with a 3,300 psi sheer strength i think it will do fine holding the wire on part G.
the epoxy is made for Golf club repair and has rave reviews at 5 stars. here is the link.
https://www.monarkgolf.com/golf-components/tools-supplies/24-hour-shafting-epoxy-total-8-oz..html
Regards,
Marathonman
A quick update.
After spending a lot of time running simulations I came to the conclusion that Marathonman's C core is the way to go because the parallel inductance on the torroid Part G causes too many tuning problems if it is a continuous wind. I am now in the middle of building Part G 3.0 and the entire system so I will post details as soon as I can.
There is one thing to re-iterate. As Marathonman said, this system is controlled by INDUCTANCE. Once you forget resistance and concentrate on inductance ratios then everything becomes clear. How many joules do you need to store to offset the system losses and what effect does field addition have not only on the exciter/output triplets but also on Part G and where does the additional energy go within the system. Tesla once said that to generate power you have to use power which is absolutely true in this system, No load and you will get nothing out.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
Very well put and nice post Aetherholic. and YES, i do agree as i have been saying for quite some time worry about the Inductance not Resistance. one must remember that the losses can and will be replaced over time thus not plowing it full of energy otherwise the system will die and have to be restarted.
And again you are totally correct to the fact that a load HAS to be present in order for the device to operate properly. the resistance of the secondaries opposing field always pressing against the primaries field is a major key in the device operation. no pressure, no load, no output period. it is even hard to take readings when no load is present so attach a load then take readings.
lets put it another way, with a load attached and current begins to flow and an opposing field to the first in the secondary is formed and it is this field that is pushed from side to side. with no load the opposing field is absent so the primaries have nothing to push prom side to side across the Electric field. therefore the virtual induced motion of the secondary from the primaries will not take place with zero output.
the system recycles the potential in the system (PART G ) but has inherent losses in the core, wire and some heat, the secondaries are there to replace them and does so over time.
Aetherholic i have to say it is an extreme pleasure having you aboard and talking to someone that is smart enough to understand the entire system. I salute you and thank you for being here. some on this site still do not grasp the notion of Inductance but hey it is what it is.
Cheers my friend.
Regards,
Marathonman
When i an referring to the secondary second field i am referring to the reactive field (The Lenz Law) that opposes the first. when the primaries polarize the secondaries and current begins to flow (With a load) the lenz law kicks in and creates an opposing field to the original polarization. it is this reactive field that is pushed from side to side in a sweeping action across the Electric fields created by the primaries. if there is no load attached to the secondary output there will be no reactive field to push from side to side thus no output will occur.
it is this very action that gives the secondaries the appearance or the illusion of motion to the electric field.
The higher the pressure between the primaries the higher the output from the secondary which is why most are failing to get an output. not enough pressure between the primaries or not switching in unison will cause the lack of output. part G as an active INDUCTOR does just that, raises and lowers the current to the primaries in complete unison.
this is why part G the INDUCTOR is so important in the system as the primaries will ALWAYS remain in complete unison as one loop is subtracted from one side it is added to the other side as the brush rotates. N><N opposing fields at the brush keep each side of the inductor completely separate but always in complete unison.
as i have proved and posted a you tube video that the primaries are in fact NN NOT NS. when using NS and switching like Figuera does with the INDUCTOR the electric field created by the primaries will be opposing thus reducing the output to a bare minimum. with the primaries in NN with one reducing and the other increasing the Electric fields created will be in the same direction thus being positive and additive.
facts are fact and backed by Physics all day long.
Regards,
Marathonman
Finally have time to work on my new part G core. the first pic is half round glued to the core to alleviate the square edges that are a complete pain to wind. the round corners help in the transition when winding. i will be using the epoxy i ordered to hold the wire to the core that i posted in a previous post.
the second pic is of the new primaries i am finally finishing up.
Regards,
Marathonman
managed to get some sanding done on the core edge and is ready to wind and the bobbins are almost ready to sand and paint.
Regards,
Marathonman
In part G we have what we call a storing energy phase and decaying energy phase that are happening at the same time. in the storing phase the winding count on the Inductor is getting smaller as the brush rotates thus the current is getting stronger. even though the area of the magnetic field is shrinking in width it is getting stronger projecting outward and storing energy in the form of a magnetic field only to be released in the decaying phase. when it is in the storing phase there will be a voltage potential drop across the inductor as it is storing into the magnetic field.
in the other half of part G we have the decaying energy phase that is increasing in Inductance with the winding count increasing thus reducing the current flow and releasing that reduced potential of stored energy from the previous stored stage into the system. when it releases this potential it will cause a potential increase in the system that is used to off set the potential drop of the storing phase side of part G. even though the current has been reduced the magnetic flux to current ratio has increased considerably causing the current to be reduced thus releasing that part of the stored potential onto the system.
at the same time part G is in either the decaying phase or the storing phase so is the primary electromagnets. when their magnetic fields are reduced they to will release that reduced potential into the system combined with part G's reduced potential to off set the storing sides potential drop.
so as the brush rotates each side of the system will alternate between a storing phase and decaying phase that causes the primary electromagnets to either increase in current or decrease in current at the same time causing the electric fields created to be in the same direction thus positive and additive.
as the brush rotates each side of the Inductor remaining completely separated by the north north magnetic fields either increasing or decreasing current to the primaries in unison will cause the opposing fields of the primaries to sweep across the secondary. after polarization from the primaries and current begins to flow a secondary field is formed in the secondaries known as the Lenz Law that opposes the original polarization. it is this reactive field that the primaries in their sweeping action pushes from side to side across the electric field formed by the primary electromagnets. in doing so this give the secondaries the appearance or the illusion of motion to the electric field thus inducing EMF.
it is just the relative motion of the primaries that induces motion into the secondaries with the reactive field in between them. if there is no reactive field there will be no movement of the secondaries thus no output will occur.
the secondary loop back is used to replace the losses occurred and to give the increasing primary electromagnet an added boost to maintain the pressure between the electromagnets when the other electromagnet is reduced to get the sweeping action across the secondary.
Figuera was a sheer genius of a man using Inductance to control current flow and building a stationary generator.
Regards,
Marathonman
I finally figured out how to precision grind or polish my part G without paying out the back side for someone to do it for me.
at Lowe's they have a 2800 rpm table top drill press and a 7 inch very thick sanding disc that i can attach to the drill press. at 2800 rpm it will be butter smooth on the surface of the wound core thus eliminating all chances of sparking from irregularities. this will give a butter smooth surface for the brushes to glide on.
Regards,
Marathonman
I would also like to add more information on that 1 kilowatt 14.8 lbs per square inch 7.4 per primary.
in order to induce movement into the secondary Figuera had to reduce one primary and raise the other to get the sweeping of the secondary across the electric field. in doing so the reducing primary is reduced hypothetically 30 percent while the other is increased to get full sweeping action of the secondary. so if you reduce one primary 30 percent that means from 7.4 lbs per square inch to 5.2 lbs per square inch while the other primary is peaked at 9.6 lbs per square inch. the rise in the primary is from the amplification factor of the two reducing potentials and the secondary feed back combined giving the needed amplification to the rising primary electromagnet. from this action both primaries will always maintain the 14.8 lbs per square inch across the entire length of the secondary needed for the 1 kilowatt secondary output. these numbers are not exact but at least you get the idea of what needs to be done in order to maintain the output and how it is done. the primaries must be built with these parameters in mind yet still avoid saturation.
both primaries at any time will add up to the total output of your secondary. one increasing in pressure the other decreasing in pressure but both pressures equal the needed output pressure at all times.
Regards,
Marathonman
We are still chugging along folks but at a snail pace unfortunately. i have not a single day off this week until Sunday so i will be finishing up my primary then and hopefully be able to post some pics of the rewound primary. all connection to the primaries will be on the outside end of the primaries.
Regards,
Marathonman
Here is the finished new bobbin. all i need now is a light sand and paint then its wind time. these babies are so strong i can not crush with my hands. so great to wind on.
total cost to build is around $1.00 to $1.50 per bobbin.
Regards,
Marathonman
Really bad day in Paradise.
bought a off brand Dremel tool to make four cuts in the end of the bobbins to begin winding and the lousy shaft of the cutting tool sheered off after three cuts flying hitting me in the stomach cutting me.
the tool below is the most lousy Corporate piece of SH#T i have ever bought. DO NOT BY THIS BRAND as you will have nothing but trouble. so now my whole day is wasted because of this BS.
Regards,
Marathonman
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