Hi guys!
In the past I play a bit with the Figuera concept. It use the POC as we already know the potential. I think this guy, Marathonman, understand the principe behind the Figuera device...
Chris, if there already a tread about Clemente Figuera, feel free to move this at the good place!
My Friends,
Information I have received, Marathonman is going else where.
It appears the rules here are intolerable.
I wish him Luck in his endeavors. All his followers, I also wish Luck.
I am locking this thread, for the likes of Aetherholic and others that have greater understanding and working machines, I ask please create new threads on your machines when you are ready.
Chris
Marathonman,
I edited your post, took out the abuse of another Aboveunity.com Member - Another Rule broken!
I apologise, I did not mean anything by the statements I made! I will change it now!
I don't have a problem with the views at all. I do not measure by Number, I measure by Quality and also Response.
Marathonman, you were way off topic, and had done so on many occasions, and you already broke other rules, and, like others on this form, including myself ( Ask SL ), for being OFF TOPIC, Posts have been deleted.
Thing is Marathonman, you're the first person to complain if others come to this thread and post off topic information!
Rules are Rules, if you cant stick to the Rules, then you know where the door is!
I am no Dictator, I am a Moderator! I moderate, for Momentum, The Figurea Thread was going pear shaped and I see no point on wasting others Time!
I am getting wary Marathonman, I do not have to put up with this behaviour! I have better things to do!
Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole and get on with your life long task!
Chris
P.S: Two more Posts I now have to delete!
Hey Chris do you think you can demean me further in public. for one I DID NOT BEG FOR DONATIONS, i simply asked people to become active in these type of devices which has many forms. in your warped thinking you took as direct begging which you are wrong.
i personally think you have issues with this thread having 38K excuse me 39K views while yours are barely braking 5k and now you want me gone. and you wonder where all your visitors came for.
please stop acting like Aaron or Stephen it's not very becoming of you. i came here because i was under the impression we had room to express ourselves within certain limits. WELL that sure got thrown out the window didn't it. NOW there are suddenly stipulation being brought to the table that stifle ones own expression of the device for which they are working on..
it's rather disgusting knowing how may tens of thousands of hours i have put into the understanding and testing of this device to be demeaned in public just because i posted a few slightly off topic posts that actually related to the thread. hell just delete the whole thread as i am sure that would make you much more happy. never mind i will.
you make a great dictator Chris
PS. just so people know, Aetherholic is. he is tying to patent a variant of part G and even told me so in a PM. after all i have done for this thread and the Figuera device towards enlightening the world how this device operates. is that disgusting or what.
Marathonman
I have deleted several posts for breaking the Forum Rules.
I expect all Members to be respectful and considerate of other Members! Be considerate!
Chris
Hi all,
A very simple way to get some electromagnets. Please watch the video below. Electromagnets can be easily got from ballasts of fluorescent lights (reactances). In the video ballasts from junkyard (70 W and 230 volts) from street ligths are cut to get the electromagnets.
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Marathonman, two questions:
-Your part G has a fixed number of turns and thus a fixed impedance. How will you tune the impedance of the part G to get the proper ratio I_max/I_min in the electromagnets?
-Could you post a wiring diagram of your system? I can not get the idea of your power supply with resistor. I thought that the input current was simple DC which could be obtained with a variac and a bridge rectifier. Can you post a wiring diagram of your whole proposal?
Thanks in advance
I can relate to what you are saying, sure there are a lot twisted things in this world as you have enumerated some of them. I too have tryed to change things around me, mainly people. But it didn't went that well and the reason I haven't succeded is because of me. I didn't do it right. That I can tell you with 100% certainty.
You see, aside the bad things in life there are also the good ones, like the laws that govern nature in general. Think about the beauty of a plant, the consistency of the suns movement or simply the fact of being alive, being conscious. So if things are the way they are, is most probably due to a main cause. Most of the people in this world are like ships without guidence and they go where the general stream of water takes them. If you don't like where the general stream of water goes, then do something about it. If you look back in history, it was always the power of small groups of people and there ideas that produced the most radical changes in the world.
All the best,
Vasile
Hi All, some shots of my mini coil setup.
Regards Cornboy. 
Thanks for doing that Aetherholic, much appreciated.
Thanks for the explanation MM, and nice job on coils.
Regards Cornboy.
@ Aetherholic
A nice job!!
Seven groups of inductor-induced in honeycomb. A super professional job!
Dadrev
Saludos...
Cornboy
Part G wire 93 turns 2mm x 1mm rectangular enameled copper 2.5mm spacing.
Build sequence:
1. Support the core on 2 empty wire spools
2. Epoxy 2 3D printed wire guides one each side and wait 24 hours for cure.
3. Start to wind the core.
4 Finish the wind.
5. Coat the windings liberally with epoxy. use 2 1mm PTFE sheets and two aluminium plates and clamp as hard as possible.
Leave 2 days to cure.
6. Remove the clamps etc. and clean up.
7. CNC the surface 0.05mm at a time until all wires exposed.
8. Mount on the frame.
9. Mount the Part G head and finish up the wiring.
Aetherholic - One truth, One field
Looks great MM, very neat.
Any chance of a diagram of your power supply?.
Regards and thanks, Cornboy.
Bloody hard stuff to work with MM, clamping it together and holding it flat while you epoxy it will be a challenge, maybe Aetherholic could shed some light, after doing his.
Regards Cornboy.
Nice work Peter, great to see you at it again.
Regards Cornboy.
@OurBobby - I have PM'd you my reply so as to not clog up the thread.
Chris
Hello Chris,
Thank you for your concern. I seem to have my own peculiar way of doing things. Well so my father used to tell me!
I pretty much understand what is going on with the build, and i think i understand the concept behind the elevated voltage with the primaries. i think this might be a method of producing reactive power. At first i was convinced that the Figuera device had to have some sort of radiant output, i am not so sure now. however, Tesla's remarks have a habit of lingering within ones memory. i will keep building and pop in to see how marathonman's progress is going in case i have detoured too much, if at all. unfortunately i am not able to build as quickly as others. my other present commitments are profound.
Thank you for your comments
ourbobby
Hi All, primaries are cut and machined all the same length, ( within about 5 thou ).
Secondaries bobbins i bought online from China, closest i could find, then cut them down and made correct spacers for desired length.
So on to winding the secondaries, and making their cores.
Regards Cornboy.
MM.
The coils are 40mm long, the cores are 75mm long, and are laminated.
Wire is 18g , 7mh inductance, 0.6ohm dcr.
Still a bit of work to do on these, like machining one end of the core flat and trimming the cores to the right length and all equal length, but still very economical.
Regards Cornboy.
Hey All, this almost feels like cheating, compared to you MM, it is a very easy and cheap option for anyone for testing on a lot of projects.
Off the shelf audio inductors, for around $12.00 AU each, including cores.
When i asked my au supplier can you move the coil along the core he tried and said definitely not, so i ordered one and found a way without any damage, then ordered 12.
I am saving the left over cores after cutting them, to place in the centers of the secondaries, which are a loose fit, and then filling them with a mixture of iron dust and epoxy, to make filled cores.
All the Best Cornboy. 
Hi All, a small success with my new Commutator, still loosing contact, will run it for a few hours to seat the brushes and then see.
Regards Cornboy.
Hi Ourbobby,
I hear you and sympathize with your position.
For the sake of progress, for the sake of time to catch up, allowing others to carry on, I feel, because all this will be for the future, and can be read at anytime, until you're able to catch up, then a new Thread is the best option.
I do not think you're a Troll, although I thought initially you had come to cause trouble. I see now I was wrong.
I am happy to help you create your own thread. MM might be happy to help you separately on your own thread?
Lets allow others carry on with little distraction for the mean time?
Chris
I did not know that this thread was for exclusive intellects use only. just because someone struggles at times with concentration and new concepts does not make them a troll. This is not an easy thread to follow for every one. some of the concepts require a special understanding to master completely. Some of us have trouble going from topic to topic. I do what i can, i have copied the thread completely and constantly search it for help. it is when i cannot find what i am looking for that questions arise. i am inclined to say F... You, but i would like to see if this device works.
Just tell me and i won't bother any of you again. snide comments are never helpful and show a complete disregard and lack of empathy with others. i am always polite and chose never to criticise others attempts.
ourbobby
Want to share some knowledge regarding chokes.
Normally the core at chokes has a tiny air gap in order to get a linear behaviour. This is essential for audio circuits. On other hand for power supplies a linear behaviour is not important. So we can use an old trick.
Grab a transormer and short circuit the high voltage winding. Use the low voltage winding as choke. You will be amazed how sturdy this pet can be. Most sturdy will be a MOT. Amazingly this short circuit does not behave like so. It just allows the magnetic flux to continue as long it feels to be necessary.
In old times when they still had that POTS (plain old telephone) system they had special relays with considerable delayed reaction. The only trick used was to cover the winding with a sleeve of copper.
Please study the notions of Chris regarding short circuited windings in his setups. Look up Utkin's paper for same reason.
In part G we might have similar ingredients. The contact - make before brake - enables constantly one shorted winding traveling round the core. One effect is that the current will never be interupted totally and the flux can make use of one shorted winding in order to continue - hence less overvoltage at the contacts.
I am not sure if this ingredient has further effects but it might have. Food for thoughts for all of us.
good news, i have tracked down some eco-fi, so my specs will be follows marathonman. will order it online. likely a week before it arrives. i am wondering if the dielectric constant of this material with the epoxy coating is going to affect the coils outputs, as it is likely it could react with the voltage and current changes. also, i was thinking of using either copper or aluminium sheet as the support for the bobbin, and then wind the eco-fi onto this substrate and then the epoxy.
ourbobby
No Stopping you now MM, could you please supply specs or part numbers of the components you are using for power supply.
Thanks Cornboy.
Hi Ourbobby,
From today forward, can you please post to your own thread. If you need help creating a new thread for yourself, I can help you. PM Me please for assistance.
I don't want to ban you, as I am not sure you're here causing trouble, I want to give you a chance.
If you're on your own Thread, then MM wont see your effort as a distraction, you can post your progress individually.
Chris
Hi marathonman,
my schedule at the moment is littered with objects that i have to remember. i am reminded of a russian biography of the mnemonic man, "The Mind of a Mnemonist" , who for example, would set up say a shopping street he knew well and walk along the street placing objects into the shops. to recall the objects he would walk back up the street. too easy for some. a bit like rote learning times tables. not done these days. for myself at the moment time sharing is a good description. once i get figueras generator going, then thedesire for detailed knowledge will kick in.
here is a photo of the first casting of my laminations. i will cut the cores to size from the cured block. one more block to epoxy. actually there is a slight variation with the laminations finished height is about 32.5mm. my wife is complaining about the smell!
ourbobby
I agree whole heartedly MM!
Time is critical for so many these days, but if people want it, then Time is necessary to learn and absorb critical information!
Work is required by those that wish to learn, there are no shortcuts! Shortcuts results in failure and there is no excuse for failure with so much information available today!
Chris
Hi marathonman,
thanks for the explanation. it is possible to read/consume a total thread and be non the wiser. unless one was a demon with a photographic memory with instant recall. not me unfortunately. i return to areas i think are relevant on the thread. such is the lot of a student.
this weekend i am epoxying the laminations. i have only 164 laminations (33x0.33 x 520) that i was able to rescue from the wreckers. this will just enable 16 x 52mm long cores and 8 x 26m cores with a 27mm thickness. so if i need to extend the primaries i will have to use a different core material. this should be enough for the pilot project.
regards
ourbobby
@MM
Gracias por este post tan explicativo y conciso. Creo que todos agradecemos su esfuerzo.
Dadrev
Saludos...
This is what i was thinking with the two stepping procedures. if 1 is first primary and 16 is last primary then there are two sequences to my mind.
1) 1 - 9, 2 -10 , 3 - 11, .......8 - 16
2) 1 - 16, 2 - 15, 3 - 14,.... 8 - 9.
To my mind there might be a difference in the output as the "resistance" is shared differently between the two stepping procedures. ididn't express myself very well before.
ourbobby
so the aztecy drawing at the top left is a simulation of what should be occuring?
Hi marathonman,
thanks for the reply. i am uploading a image from patent. as you will see there are couple of drawings of connection. one aztecy looking drawing that indicates looping for each n or s row of coils. with the numbering its all about setting up the buffers for direction of switching. for example, i think it is possible to run this in a parallel fashion with the two north faces from adjacent coils stepping through. but as i am following your argument, it is important to get the correlation of coils in the correct sequence, eg 1 and 16. so is it the counting as shown on the connection of this image i have uploaded. that is position of first and last primary coil=1 and 16?
on the laminations, the welder has been sitting at the wreckers for some time and there is lots of fine rust formed between laminations. so i must clean this off and then repaint. issue is best good thin paint type that will also hold lams together while i play with the cores.
thank you
Hello,
I wonder if I might ask two questions. first from which end of the parallel primaries do we count 1 to16. is is sequential like a dil ic? Or is it start again at the top on the other side? the other relates to the laminations. i am recovering some from an old welder. they are 38mm wide by 0.33mm thick. i don't think they are grain oriented, though they are not SS. i have decided to rewind all my bobbins to reduce the volume of questions i might ask using solid cores if my results are poor. generally paint seems to be used as the separating medium when compressing laminations into the forme. would this be all that is needed?
I have my digital driver set up and working courtesy creasysee, working on the power supply. i should have my ready by summer which is a long time away for me!
thank you
ourbobby
Very nice build skills Cornboy looks very good.
i am curious as to no windings on part G so are you connecting it to a wired core for a two piece part G?
good idea about the modified inductors, will be easier if all the wiring is at the non secondary end and i see you implemented 2 to 1 ratio, very good.
i also realize you have some really nice tools to work with, must be nice.
keep up the great work.
Regards,
Marathonman
Hi MM, yes 2 part G + R, hopefully i will be able to try several different open and closed core magnetic resistances, to feed the primaries, including a split toroid and c core.
Keeping everything small to start with to keep cost down.
Thanks Cornboy,
Hello All, finally got some time to play with my commutator, it is set up with Positive and negative feed back comm switch, and the feedback timing will be adjustable a full 180 degrees, just need to fit housing into a stand of some sort.
Will be building 6 x coil triplets from modified audio crossover inductors with laminated cores for the inducers, and modified, shortened bobbins with as many offcuts from lams from the crossovers, that can fit, and then filling the air pockets with iron dust and epoxy.
Regards Cornboy.
Great , and very skilled building MM. I'm eager to see the first tests of this beauty all assembled!
Regards Vidura
Actually, 8 or 16 Ir2101 will work. the issue i see is the driver going through high-low and returning low-high with 8 drivers or with 18 going through high-low and returning high-low from the offset on the parallel series of magnets. i might think that the 16 would give a more pronounced ac wave as opposed to a shorter ac wave from 8 drivers. a suck it and see scenario methinks.
ourbobby
Hello,
my build is further delayed. i only order 10 Ir2101 drivers when reviewing driver circuit i will need 16 drivers. 2 drivers for each set of primary magnets. have ordered extra so i can build extra magnets into the build later on.
will report when build complete.
regards
ourbobby.
Hi Cornboy :-) Thank you for your warm welcome. Great you are active here! Looking forward for collective success.
Welcome John Stone, great to have you here old friend, your electronics experience will be very handy for a digital version of the device, i am sure you will be able to help.
Please read right through the thread, as there is invaluable info here.
Welcome aboard John.
Warmest Regards Cornboy.
Hi all,
Finally I arrived here where Figuera cause is still alive :-) Some of you contributors might know me from other threads. I was silent now for several years but now - after my retirement - I search for new shores and want to deal with Figuera implementation.
I am a trained electronics engineer. But I know very well, that my training coverd a small part of the reality only. So please understand that I will be mostly silent for now while reading the wealth of contributions and learning basics of figuera configuration in my lab.
Thank you all for your contributions that gave me a steep learning curve up to now.
Rgds
John
Thank you for your positive comments. it seems that you are a very capable person. it is a pity that you offer abuse to many people on different forums. earlier in the thread you quote a generous and caring approach. so why now the mr bad guy? on another forum you actually threatened to shoot someone. i know that this is not the real you. the real you is a thoughtful caring person. i must wonder if there is a deeper reason for your outbursts. Anyway, i shall keep my secrets to myself. i personally do not have your intellect and scientific knowledge. you must wonder why people leave threads when offered an opportunity not to be missed?
ourbobby
@ourbody En el hilo se mencionan varias configuraciones de las conexiones eléctricas con la parte G. En la patente de Figuera, a la parte G sólo llega la fase a través de la escobilla, la cual, mediante el giro sobre los hilos, reparte mayor o menor corriente hacia los electroimanes N y S. Sin embargo, en la última cofiguración de este hilo, se mencionan DOS escobillas: una fase y un neutro. No entiendo por qué lo hacen, y me abstengo de preguntar para no escuchar improperios estúpidos que no ayudan nada. Saludos...
Saludos...
I was going to ask you about the configuration of the bs2101f-e2-driver, posted earlier. we all require patience when learning. your constant outbursts are not helpful. there is a lot going on in the Figueras device, you understand it, many of us do not. if information becomes blurred, this is as much your fault as ours. I have invested time and energy, as perhaps others have, although not as much as you have. i respect that commitment. if you contribution is to end. so be it. i shall go back to something else and cut my losses. adios!
my question to you initially was regarding the Vs connection to the IgBT and the Part G. I do not quite understand this connection in relation to the input and output voltage connections. it seems that the part G is connected to common ground. i have read design sheet DT97-3 in an attempt to clarify the role of Vs in this instance, to of no avail.
thankyou
ourbobby
Well i have read the part G all wrong. my understanding was that the magnetic flux created from the input created a choke effect whereby the field acted as a resistance. next i read on another forum that a closed field, such as a toroid cannot produce a magnetic field because the poles need to exhibit there polarity. they cannot in a closed field. i also seem to remember seeing a core from UFO that appeared to have a 35 degree notch taken out to accommodate the magnetising field. it would appear i now have to look for another peice of hollow iron rod! just when looking through the posts i see that here is mentioned by Peter (25 may 2018) of his core at 45x60x185 when calculated out comes pretty close to my final calculation. Frustrating!
Quoting your post:
"i do not care who on this planet states that according to their equation it is supposed to be that way. there is no 3 inch core or magnet on this planet that can project a 6 inch field, not you or anyone else for that mater."
Amen brother.
Hi,
have wound 14 coils for the first attempt for the primaries. i have changed the wire to 1.06mm, each coil has 330 turns and each weight pretty close to 320grams. i have been looking at my G configuration and conclude that the hollow bar may be overkill for this first build. also, it is going to be a problem getting it machined down to a smaller size. does the part G have to be solid iron or can i use a laminated core?
regards
ourbobby
Very easy. Just double the current on the electromagnet and applying the equation I posted then its field will keep the same with twice the length. Equation for force in electromagnets are well known equations, and they take into account the decrease with the distance squared.
When I wrote Length-air I meant not the air gap between the primary and secondary, but the distance that magnetic lines travel along the air (low reluctance) to close its path going from one pole to the other. This is the meaning of that term into the equation. For this reason the longer the air path between its poles the weaker the electromagnet, being the rest of parameters equal.
Regards
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The pressure P in the formula P = pgh, pgh is a scalar that tells you the amount of this squashing force per unit area in a fluid.
A Scalar, having both direction and magnitude, can be anything! The Magnetic Field, a Charge moving, yet some Numb Nuts think it means Magic Science!
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Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason. It has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who drives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians, and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static, our hopes are in vain; if kinetic - and this we know it is for certain - then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.
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