Antares & Markus POC Replication

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Antares posted this 26 March 2024

Hi Chris,

Thanks for allowing us to join the group by having setup mine and my colleague’s account. Normally I do not post in forums because of their very bad communication and lack of respect.

This forum is by far the most accurate and serious I’ve seen. Congratulations!!!

In this spirit we want to share our setups and findings.

A colleague of mine and I are replicating the “partnered coils experiment” described by you in different threads in this forum. Both of us are replicating it in their own lab, due to their distant location.

We focused to fulfil the following requirements:

§ For L1,  di/dt must be as high as possible. The slope of the current for a defined period, must be maximised.

§  To achieve a steep current slope, the dc-resistance of the coil must be as low as possible.

§  Therefore, the number of turns must be minimized to maximise the voltage amplification on the POCs.

§  L1 and L2 must be wound in the same direction to support each other. L3 in the opposite.

§  L1 on be wound on L2

§  L1 must be driven at resonance frequency of the POCs or a harmonic of. With the consequence that XC=XL so that only the DC-resistance of L1 is “active”.

§  The input signal (trigger) of L1 must be a dc-pulse with a very low duty cycle (≤10%), on-time.

§  The L1 pulse duration should be a quarter wavelength of the POCs resonant frequency. 

§  The POC-coils must be small in length, so to maximise the B-field.

§  The POC-coils must have as many windings as possible. This is one of the ways how to increase the voltage in the POCs.

§  Current must flow in the POCs so to manifest the effect. That means there must be an appropriate Load.

§  The current in the POCs must be able to flow very rapidly. Which at the end of the regauging-period, the POCs magnetic fields “slap” together, and produce the positive and negative overshot (immediately after the ramp-up phase). This can be done in different ways as could be seen in Don smith devices. (Varistor, TVS, Spark-gap, etc.). But for the beginning we will stick on the circuit proposed by you with the lamp, 0.1ohm resistors and diodes to get familiar with the characteristics of this effect.

There are some other points, but I will not list them for the moment, because they would overcomplicate the experiment.

Have I missed an important Requirement so far?

Regards

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Antares posted this 26 March 2024

Coil and Material used:

The following material and setup have been chosen:

Core-Material: Amorphous, Metglas Alloy

Core-Type: AMCC0500

Dimensions: 90 x 135 x 55

Manufacturer: Proterial

 

We designed and 3D-printed the different coil-holder to try different setups, see examples:

Coil-Holder combined

Coil-Holder single

We used the following wires:

L1 Wire-type: CUL 500/2,00

L 2 & L3 Wire-type: CUL 500/0,85

 

We measured these values with an LCR-meter @ 200Khz:

L2- Dimensions (with pigtails of about 15 cm):

Wire-length: 32.5m

Wire-gauge: 0.85mm

Windings: 160

 

Measured

Ls: 2.0153 mH

Q: 18.8

Rs: 141.9 Ω

D:  0.056

Rp: 45.34 k Ω

X: 2.537 kΩ

Z: 2.541 kΩ

ϴ: 86.79°

 

L3- Dimensions (with pigtails of about 15 cm):

Wire-length: 32.5m

Wire-gauge: 0.85mm

Windings: 160

 

Ls: 2.0145mH

Q: 18.8

Rs: 134.57Ω

D: 0.532

Rp: 47.7 k Ω

X: 2.531 kΩ

Z: 2.531 kΩ

ϴ: 86.96 °

 

Even if wound manually, the values of the coils are quite close to each other. In this way an equal resonant frequency can be achieved. Unfortunately, they have a rather small Q-factor due to their small CSA.

Findings:

  • The more windings the POCs have, the more crucial it is to perfectly wound them. It gets very difficult to control their capacitive and inductive (XC, XL, phase) parameters, which at resonance we want to be equal. And this is quite a problem because we have to wind them manually. So, the more windings the less chance to get an ideal coil of high quality and a distinct standing wave
  • Therefore, if we continue to wind the coils manually, we will perhaps have to step up the voltage at the primary coil, as Don Smith did, and at the POCs have a smaller number of turns. But then we will have to deal with other problems related to HV.

FringeIdeas posted this 5 weeks ago

Akoteles.

You are the one from my youtube video comments? Nice to see you getting active. Hopefully the next time Chris is on he can move this to it's own thread, I think you highjacked Antares & Markus's thread

Windings, in a perfect world would be perfectly machine wound, but not necessary I think for these experiments. All mine are hand wound and a tad bit different, including soldering on new wire half way through winding. Of course, try to get them as nice as possible, it's just good practice.

You are referring to this experiment? Chris's Electromagnetic Charge Pump Experiment

I will refrain from answering anything really technical with this one, as I have not gone through that experiment and I would just be speculating I'll jump in and comment though if there are basic things I can help with.

Marcel

FringeIdeas posted this 5 weeks ago

Antares & Markus,

Sounds like you have done your reading, the specs and findings sound good.

Can't wait to see a few pictures and/or videos!

Marcel

Chris posted this 5 weeks ago

Hey Guys,

Sorry, I have been super busy lately!

Please keep up the excellent work! Marcel has excellent experience and has many excellent experiments, so his advice is very valuable!

Its a very simple Technology, its not hard at all! Its just an understanding! Once you understand this, its super easy and super cheap! Huge progress can be made in a very short time once you have an understanding!

Faradays Law was always presented in a TOTALLY Symmetrical Standard, ignoring the Asymmetry that Nature gives us, and this is why its hard, you need to think about the Asymmetry, and incorporate the Symmetry inside!

Good work and again, I am sorry, I have been very busy lately, you may see why soon.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Antares posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi Chris, Hi Marcel,

Thanks for your replies and kind words. Yes we are very open to good advice. Still learning and hopefully never stop!

We were very busy too lately, so I will continue now to post some measurements we did.

Resonance and Standing Wave pattern

We have been able to replicate the waveforms related to the determination of the resonant frequency and standing wave (see pictures below), which have been shown and teached in the videos made by Chris.

We have analysed the different input/output configurations of L2 and L3 with simple POC-air-coils that have less windings (see D. Smith). The Idea behind was to see how the different ways to connect the coil, affects the resulting waveform.

POC Air-Coils

Theoretically there are 16 possibilities to attach the input/output, but only 4 of theme make sense to look deeper into and observe the resulting waveforms. Some have very small differences, and other bigger. Here one example:

SW Resonance

 

SW Resonance 2

Coming back now to our POC’s mentioned in our postings above: The POC on the core have different resonant frequencies then when without core. So, the procedure must be done again with the coils setup on the core. In my configuration they are at around: 17 kHz and 211 kHz (depending on where on the core they have been placed). So a signal like the following can be measured:

SW Resonance 3

Measuring the current and the voltage of a coil and sweeping through the frequencies, it is easy to see that the current does not always have a 90° phase shift. But this shift changes with the frequency changing. Further in my setup I was able to see, that when current opposes the voltage (180°, I do not have the maximum voltage-amplification. The maximum voltage-amplification only occurs at the exact resonant frequency. This behaviour matches the phase-diagram of a coil. It can be measured with a VNA (Vector Network Analyzer).

Because we had problems uploading the "Quadratron"-PCB from the forum, we must make our own PCB. The online manufacturer was throwing errors. That is consuming a lot of our time. 

Chris, Marcel and others who have achieved the goal your comments and advices are always welcome. 

Kind Regards

 

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