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Wistiti posted this 23 December 2018

Hi guys! This tread is a place to share my experience with the POC. It will be as simple as I am. So do not ask for measurement, it all about the phenoment. Hope you will appreciate and participate! 😁

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Wistiti posted this 23 December 2018

Here are one of my first experiences with the POC.

Chris posted this 23 December 2018

Hey Wistiti,

Excellent thread!

My first Experience with POC was experiments prior to Jul 18, 2011, published in this video:

 

These experiments included observing the necessity for Current Flow:

 

Floyd Sweet making the same observation:

If the voltmeter draws no current, there can be no electromagnetic force on the free electrons of the wire. Therefore, the E.M.F along the path of the metal conductors including the moving conductor is zero.

Ref: Floyd Sweet - Nothing is Something

 

Its worth noting, the Positive Energy passage talks about Clockwise and Counter Clockwise E.M.F's. Directly after this passage, Floyd Sweet talks about: INDUCED MOTIONAL FIELD - NEGATIVE ENERGY, unfortunately there is not much useful information in there.

Any and all Insulated Copper Conductors when carrying a Current have an associated Magnetic Field. Voltage can be present with NO Current! Current is a function of the Load and the Source.

   Chris

Wistiti posted this 23 December 2018

Completely agree Chris!!! And I will add when using DC for the source, the current from the output POC must be extracted to buck the primary DC source... Like I do is this video. (Sorry for my English) 😉

Chris posted this 23 December 2018

Wistiti, one of my favorite videos of yours!

I started with a few small, for most perhaps insignificant, effects. Just a few coils, having a bit of insight, looking for something. Knowing in my heart that there was something to find there. Took me some years to make real progress, much confusion and mistakes along the way.

You my friend are a natural! Also, your English is perfectly understandable!

   Chris

Jagau posted this 24 December 2018

Hi wistiti
Very interesting this video. I take note of it.
You know in this forum we learn things that move us forward. Thanks for sharing.


Jagau

Wistiti posted this 24 December 2018

Yes my freind! And this is (openly sharing) what we move us forward! Thanks to Chris to bring it back to us!!!

Now it's up to us (as a team) to improve it!

😀

Wistiti posted this 27 December 2018

Hi guys! Just let you know I have passed the last day's playing with POC.

I build a toroid transformer (really long to wind on a toroid...😒) on a plastic ring (so air core) . The effect is there but way less than when using a magnetic core. The couplings seem not optimal... I will continue my experiment with magnetic core. 😀

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Zanzal posted this 27 December 2018

That toroid looks awesome. If you have only been playing with it a day then its too soon to give up IMO, but you need a signal generator to get the most out of it. PM me if you want to sell it.

Wistiti posted this 27 December 2018

Thank you Zanzal ! I have not yet give up on it. It took me so much time to wind it I will keep it for further test. 😉 I don't have a signal generator. But agree, it might have a sweet frequency spot. Have you a good one not to expensive to suggest?

Zanzal posted this 27 December 2018

Yes, I don't blame you, it is a work of art, personally I'd mount it on my wall before I sold it had I built something so nice.

Regarding function generators your best pick for a starter is the JDS6600 15Mhz for $65. For a more complete answer I posted more options in the Function Generators thread.

Vidura posted this 28 December 2018

Nice coil Wistiti! Agreed that a function generator will be useful, resuming the latest information we have to look for magnetic resonance, and the frequency depending on the corematerial, so we can assume that for an aircore much higher frequencies will be required, like in the aircore devices from Don Smith. Also a disruptive discharge on the primary could likely set up a resonance. Wish you success , Vidura.

Wistiti posted this 28 December 2018

Thank you Vidura . Disruptive discharge is the way I explore now to improve the effect.

It seem to be a must... I'm looking for a way to do it at low voltage. I try with a reed switch at the base of a transistor and have interesting results but I'm wondering what are the other ways I can make this kind of abrupt discharge without hv and spark gap...??🤔

Any idea are welcome!

Vidura posted this 28 December 2018

As a suggestion i had good results with a mosfet and capacitor array, one device you can see in many of my vídeos, it has five mosfets in parallel and a capacitor bank on the supply rail and with very short dutycycle it give good pulses for striking the resonance. Also a SCR with a neon as trigger works very well at a little higher voltages. Sorry that I cant load up image's until fixing the internet installations, my phone dont have enough memory to do it. In a few days it should be up again ,then I can share some circuits I have used.

Zanzal posted this 29 December 2018

Any idea are welcome!

You could try using an avalanche pulse generator. Basically you need a HV source, through a resistor you charge a HV low pf capacitor, the capacitor gets discharged when it reaches the avalanche voltage of the transistor. You can adjust the frequency of the pulses by changing the resistance, but you want to keep enough resistance so that the capacitor cannot recharge too quickly after discharging.

You set the voltage by using a number of cheap transistors with a known avalanche voltage in series. So if you use an npn with an avalanche voltage of 200V and you want 600V pulses you just use 3 of them in series. Keep the capacitance low to avoid damaging them. So at 100pF it might be ok, but 600V at 100nF you might have dead transistors.. Or that's how I understand it anyway (never built one myself).

You can see an example of the most basic one like I described here: Avalanche Pulse Generator Circuit

Wistiti posted this 29 December 2018

Thank you guys for the info! Vidura I will wait to see your picture. Have a good day!

Wistiti posted this 27 July 2019

Hi freinds!

I have a spare time to experiment and i want to share my findings with you.

I have rebuild the Skywatcher bucking coil inverter and have good results.

Since now, im charging my 3rd 12v 7,2ah battery with a 5v 5.3ah usb power bank.

The usb power bank have drop of 0.03v and im toped 3 12v 7,2ah batt to 15v!!

The new thing i have done is give a space between the POC on my ferite rod. The primary is still a joule thief. The output diode have to be oriented the good way to assist the primary.

My little bit to share.

Keep on experimenting!!!!

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Wistiti posted this 27 July 2019

 

Chris posted this 27 July 2019

Hey my friend,

Very nice! Excellent work! Power coming out at both ends!

   Chris

Satmedia posted this 29 July 2019

Thank you for your report of the interessting results.

Do you have a schematic of the skywatcher poc circuit / coil windings? 

Regards Roland

Wistiti posted this 30 July 2019

Thank you for your report of the interessting results.

Do you have a schematic of the skywatcher poc circuit / coil windings? 

Regards Roland

Sure! Here it is. Make sure to have a space between the POC. Reverse the diode to have the best output snd see a reduced consumption of the primary's when the secondary is loaded.

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leonel posted this 28 January 2020

Thank you very much Wistiti for sharing such valuable information. I'm pulling it and I made the buck coil of 500 turns each, I don't know how many turns, can you help me with that please?

Wistiti posted this 28 January 2020

Thank you very much Wistiti for sharing such valuable information. I'm pulling it and I made the buck coil of 500 turns each, I don't know how many turns, can you help me with that please?

Hi Leonel. I have not try with as much as 500 turns.

Mine are something between 200 and 350 turns.

The primary use less turns 30 to 100... you have to experiment and look for the effect.

Will be nice to read your results!

leonel posted this 29 January 2020

Thank you very much Wistiti,

ok, as I told you, it was about 500 cw and ccw turns, then I put the primary with 120 turns in two-wire (60 +60). I tried several ways, with 2n3055 transistor and buck booster card; The result was inverse all the time (not good).

At the moment I measured the current in input and it was lowered with load but the voltage at the output also dropped a lot.

I don't know where I'm wrong, maybe I must buy material and do it all over again. some suggestion??

Wistiti posted this 29 January 2020

Hi Leonel. Your poc in my opinion are to far from each other... Here a picture of how i wind mine in this experiment.

 

Hope its helped!

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leonel posted this 29 January 2020

Thanks you, Yes you are right, wasn't sure how far it should go between them. Ok here we go again (never give up!)😁 I just need a little more time. Thanks

Chris posted this 29 January 2020

Hi Lionel,

Wistiti is very knowledgeable when it comes to Partnered Output Coils! CD Sharp is also another, there are others here also very skilled!

Everyone will tell you the same, its practice, doing the experiments, learning from them, learn as much as you can from each experiment!

From my work, 500 Turns is way to many.

40 to 200 turns is about the figure you want to be!

This forum and the fantastic people here have a HUGE amount of information, if you want to learn, then you in the right place! Its good to see your work and your progress! Keep up the good work!

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Best wishes

   Chris

leonel posted this 29 January 2020

Thank you Chris.

That's why I've switched from ou.com to here, because I know I'm in the right place, with right guys. Thank especially to you! laughing

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

My brother Thanks a lot, I got itlaughing I need to improve that, but so far I could charged a battery, a little slow, but it go up. 

I also charge a 15,000 uf very fast capacitor, I have video and photos but it has been a bit difficult to upload, maybe I'll put more later ... Everything with 2.5 v two batteries an it lost 0.01vlaughing

OK I think it's time to go for something bigger cool

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

https://youtu.b 

I'll switch for other account 

 

Wistiti posted this 13 February 2020

Great achievement Leonel! Im happy you see the effect. 👍

Chris posted this 13 February 2020

Yes, Excellent work Lionel!

Best wishes,

   Chris

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

Thank you very much everyone especially Chris and wistiti. cd I'll put it back but I need to make an account for those!

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

 

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

 

Vidura posted this 13 February 2020

Very good to see other replication of Wistitis experiment. Someone has noted that the magnetic fields are aligned, not opposed regarding the schematic. Interesting. Vidura.

leonel posted this 13 February 2020

Thanks Vidura, I don't understand, you mean NN in the center and SS in the corner?

 

Chris posted this 14 February 2020

Very good to see other replication of Wistitis experiment. Someone has noted that the magnetic fields are aligned, not opposed regarding the schematic. Interesting. Vidura.

 

Hey Vidura, if I may, where did you see this, the aligned Fields?

@Loinel, Vidura means North North, Opposing Magnetic Fields as compared to North South, meaning Aligning the Magnetic Fields. I did not see any mention of this, only diode directions, but Wistiti did say adjust the diodes to make this work.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Vidura posted this 14 February 2020

Hey Chris , all following.

in the sketch here you can check with the right hand grip rule that the diodes force the current to align the fields NS-NS.

also in the earlier posted schematic here as the coils are wound CW-CCW the fields align in contrast to the Don smith POC where the coils are wound in the same sense , and thus fields opposes. But this does not mean that there are no opposing fields at all, as also the input coils have to been taken in account.

Regards Vidura.

Chris posted this 14 February 2020

Hey Vidura,

Ah, yes, I thought that's where you may have come to this conclusion.

 

@Wistiti and @Lionel - Please can you show what your Circuits are, using the Diodes and the Right Hand Grip Rule to verify the Field Direction vs the Diode Polarity.

If you can measure the Current, if you have a scope, to show what the Current is doing, I would be grateful!

Remember we have had occasions where the Current flows against the Diodes so a Diode is not the best way to determine the Magnetic Field directions!

Best wishes,

   Chris

Wistiti posted this 14 February 2020

Very good to see other replication of Wistitis experiment. Someone has noted that the magnetic fields are aligned, not opposed regarding the schematic. Interesting. Vidura.

Hi Vidura. Sorry but im not agreeing with you on this... The way i see it the magnetic field is forced to buck cause of the way the diode are positioned. The current flow through the diode . 😉

Wistiti posted this 14 February 2020

Hey guy's Sorry but i can not give some scope shoot cause i have no scope....

The schematic is the same Skywatcher "original " give ghe first time with few modification. I will try to draw it tomorrow.

The way i see it the poc field opposes.

Please, remember what i have said in my first post, this tread is there to show my experiment. Not to debate on mesurement or theorise over a certain point...

Maybe it's a better idea to start a new tread to talk about this.

Thank you. 🌞

Chris posted this 14 February 2020

Thank You Wistiti!

Yes, from your video here, this is what I also saw: 

 

I agree, if we need to further investigate the Diode to Coil Polarity, I think we need to create a new thread and not take this thread off topic. To those doing the experiments, please change the Diode Polarity untill you see the above effects! Its important you get the best from your Machine, and this is what Wistiti has been showing for years now!

Thank You Wistiti! Sorry to distract you my friend I know you were busy.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Wistiti posted this 14 February 2020

No problem freinds! I will be a pleasure to give my opinion in another tread. 😉

Wistiti posted this 23 March 2020

Hi guy's! I have try many ways to drive the POC this last time. One thing i am sure is the polarity is important... Hope it help!

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stand by posted this 23 March 2020

hello Wistiti
Do you use the same strategy as in the previous videos?
  Which transistor do you use? Thanks for sharing

respectfully   cristian albax

Wistiti posted this 23 March 2020

Hi Stand by. Yes its the same strategy.

The transistor is c3552 npn.

Hope it help!

Wistiti posted this 24 December 2020

Hi Drago. I suggest to change the core for a better one... if you really have nothing to salvage from (ferrite or laminate steel) i mean real magnetic transformer, I suggest you to use air core instead of what you are currently doing...

Wistiti posted this 25 December 2020

Hi Drago. Interesting to see you use single coil with a signal generator and a scope. With all this equipment, i suggests you to build the circuit Chris have shared. It is much more like the one you have then mine and many here have experienced with it. I use a bifilar coil (as a joule thief) for my primary.

I'm happy to se you are a builder I believe it's the way to go for learning. I suggest you to start your own thread. This way everyone can evolve with their own experience.

Thanks for sharing your work.

Chris posted this 25 December 2020

Hi Drago,

Wistiti has very kindly given us a very detailed set of experiments here. With anything in life, it is important to follow as closely as possible, the guideline possible! Attention to Detail is very important! on this thread, you will find the Circuit used and also the Video shows the Coir, Coils and approximate wire size.

 

I kindly ask, please Pay Special Attention to Detail, please ensure you copy to the best of your ability, the experiment.

When one changes things, one is no longer replicating this work, they are off, working on something unrelated. Wistiti has made great advances, if you want to learn what he is trying to share, you need to follow the guidelines. 

Like Wistiti said, it is good to see experiment, but I do ask, please stay on target if you want to learn!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Wistiti posted this 27 December 2020

Currently playing around the last circuit of L0stf0x. 

Nothing special to report for now...

 

Will have some time in the holiday to experiment 🙂

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