Brian's Eternal Flashlight Replication

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Brian posted this 16 October 2021

HI Team

I arrived at this forum with the goal of learning how to make a Eternal Flashlight, but found a wealth of knowledge far beyond expectation. After much reading, watching, coils and experimenting quietly, its is now time to see if I can offer something to this effort. 

I decided to start with a "Lariman" build due to its circuit simplicity but still with the necessary components to understand the coils and what is required to tune them to the circuit. I have ordered circuit boards based on the above design and have a number of spare which I am happy to post to any one willing to commit to building and posting their progress.

Lariman Circuit Boards

So I will build one up and wind some coils and post progress soon.

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Brian posted this 11 November 2021

HI Team

Sorry for that little side diversion. On a positive note I have shown the results of the relationship of L1 / L2 with half, three quarter and full wave windings. 

So back to where I left off several days ago.

My best result was a L1 29.9mH - L2 59.4mH which via the calculator works out as 1 : 1.41, very close to what Chris calculated above.

I have adjusted now to as close as I can get to to 27/54  L1/L2 proposed values.

Below is L1 27.1mH - L2 54.2mH

It seems from these results there is better resonance when L1 is higher.

My question now is - with this circuit how do we arrive at what we should aim L1 and L2 to be? If we are relying on the copper strips to create the capacitance for the resonant LC circuit at L1, I am not sure how to measure this, as if I put my meter on it I get a negative result on the meter??? Which makes no sense to me.

Is there a solution to how to calculate the inductance of L1 for this circuit.

It seems from this if L2 is wound with 1 : 1.414 turns ratio then we are in the ball park.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

Brian posted this 25 November 2021

It is very important that the 3 coils have the same number of turns, with 100 you will have a lot of success.

Thanks Jagau - I was concerned that I may not have had enough turns.

I was not sure how to arrange the partnered coils for optimal output. I did try a diode as per below, but this killed the resonance.

I have also tried the POC coils in series and flipped, also with the load arranged as below

Seems next step is to increase turns and continue to experiment.

I do really like the circuit, it is very adaptable and efficient.

Thank you again

Kind regards

Brian

Jagau posted this 20 November 2021

Hey brian
I like the efforts you make and I will give you a very simple little circuit to achieve. As soon as you connect the battery it will oscillate on its own (selfrunner) as long as there is juice in the battery, moreover with a small modification it will automatically adjust to the resonance frequency of the coils that are connected to it, I hope you noticed the resemblance to that Akula,


I wish you good experiences
Jagau

Jagau posted this 25 November 2021

Hi Brian
With the last circuit that I proposed to you you don't have to worry about the resonance, the way I built it it adjusts itself to the resonant frequency, it is a self runner oscillator (SRO) as long as 'there is juice in the battery.
It is very important that the 3 coils have the same number of turns, with 100 you will have a lot of success.
You did not add a capacitor you know the coils are also capacitors.
Just adjust the 5k pot to get the desired output voltages, do not complicate the circuit as I designed it and have fun with it.


There are many who read the thread now, you can join us, here is a real forum for sharing and exchanging ideas.

Come share with us.

Jagau

Chris posted this 25 November 2021

Well done Brian, I see youre paying attention and learning quickly!

Keep this up and I will put you forward for The Elite Builders Club!

In this configuration, Resonance is Peak Voltage, Current and thus Magnetic Field, for a given Frequency and Duty Cycle. We have more to share on this soon!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Brian posted this 16 October 2021

Ok - so I built up the circuit based on the standard design, but took some liberty with the coil winding based on what I have come to understand. Please tell me if I am on the right track re the coil design. The circuit shows a 28 turn primary and 66 turn secondary. However it seems that there needs to be a bucking arrangement in the secondary. 

I used a C core and wound the primary with 31 turns (CW 2.1 meter / 3.67 mH). My understanding is that this should be about 1/4 the total length of the Bucking Coils (L2 and L3) which worked out to be 90 turns CW (27.2mH) and 63 turns CCW (12.94 mH)  or L3 = 0.707 x L2  as we have seen demonstrated in the Mr Preva experiment as well as other devices. 

First question is am I over complicating this coil design or am I on the right track?

If so next I need to work on resonance for the primary. But as it is I note some interesting effects.

With the coils together when I power the circuit with 9V I get very little light on the LEDs. But if I slightly separate the C Cores and reconnect the circuit springs to life and the halves of the C Cores attract each other. Current consumption is about 150mA and the IC gets hot. Playing with the separation drops the current drawn and the LED intensity. If I rotate the primary C Core so it is essentially CCW instead of CW the attraction of the cores is less, consumption drops and the LED brightness drops. There is a fair degree of instability noted also. 

It has been noted the L2 should be assisting L1(the primary) I am not sure from what I have found so far if the relationship should be L1 CW L2 CW L3 CCW or L1 CW L2 CCW L3 CW (where L3 is 0.707 x L2)

Next I will try tuning the primary to see if I can find resonance and lower the current draw.

Jagau posted this 29 October 2021

Hi Brian
Don't worry, researching isn't easy. We are all there. When you watch the inventors' videos, everything looks easy, but these inventors have found something that they will not say in all the details. It is up to us to do the rest.


What Chris teaches is a proven and working method.
The parthened output coil, P.O.C,, are part of the secret which seems to be common to several inventors.
The way in which they are used will be your little secret to discover.

Good research.

Jagau

YoElMiCrO posted this 02 November 2021

Hello everyone.

First of all apologize for not being active
for a long time, work issues because
these are difficult times.

Chris the capacitor value is wrong, it is not 510nF is 510pF
since it determines the maximum time for Ton.
Ton=(C/0.00004).
The MC34063 is a hysterical DC/DC converter,
this means that you can vary the two times Ton/Toff and by
consequently their frequency of work.
The maximum duty it is capable of generating is approximately
85%, ton duration is controlled by the control loop and current
that senses between the pins 6/7 through the series resistor.
This current is determined by the voltage drop between these terminals and
is about 0.33V.

That is why their waveforms have nothing to do with the replications made.
Brian, it is the capacitor of 100uF that when it is at its maximum negative if
it is placed in parallel to the input capacitor this recharges it.
It is more complex than what I expose here, but it is a good approximation.

Thank you.

YoElMiCrO.

Chris posted this 03 November 2021

Hello Brian,

Great Work Thank You for Sharing!

The key is: Don't give Up!

Get the right Amplitude and the right Frequency, and the Resonance Required, and the rest will fall into place! With little steps, make progress until this becomes an: Eternal Flashlight

This is, of course, part of Research. Replicating takes some work and sometimes solving possible errors made on the part of others is also required, unfortunately!

Thank You also to YoElMiCrO!

It is somewhat disappointing that it has taken nearly 2 years to pickup on this Error I made! I am sorry to everyone for this mistake!

Your Coils, try not to rewind, just add / remove turns as required. Its much easier that way! Try complete Coil swap between each Coil Terminal Blocks, and single Coil polarity changes to find the best performance. Changing values of components a little bit at a time makes for Steps in the right Direction.

Best Wishes and, after our chat, welcome back onboard!

   Chris

P.S: I believe your Inductance is currently to low, small increases in Inductance will give you better waveform, in my opinion.

 

Jagau posted this 10 November 2021

Hi Brian
For the lamp I worked a lot with a first Shark circuit. It is easier to understand and experience with . I have had great success with this arrangement and even today I am experimenting with this circuit which is composed of two BJTs in SCR mode and a third PNP transistor which resets C1 when the switching comes its turn.

Here is shark youtube:

Jagau

Jagau posted this 14 November 2021

Hi Brian


For this model I don't think there is a core.
These are rather a coil wound horizontally with another vertical coil (90 degree)
This is an interesting arrangement to experiment with that becomes an asymmetric transformer.

Several inventors have succeeded with this type of arrangement. This is what we are going to find out.


Jagau

Brian posted this 21 November 2021

Hey Jagau,

Thank you very much for that circuit. I will get to that in the next day or so.

Given my basic electronic skills I would propose that the inductor in this circuit be replaced with L3 as this would then switch at resonance of the coils. But L1 needs to be powered, so would L1 be in series with the 40V power? Still this does not seem right??

In regards to Akula's circuit I don't see with this default configuration how any transistor can be biased to operate unless there is a significant resonant kick the instant the battery is connected, which seems unreasonable to expect as I have observed that these coils need a much higher frequency to operate. So a single 3V power on spike would not be sufficient. A little work to be done here also.

Kind Regards

Brian

Jagau posted this 24 November 2021

You learn fast Brian bravo.
I use a 200nf for mine, but if with 10nf it does keep it like that.
I like to share with those who do not let go and experiment, we are here for that.
Getting ahead and experimenting is what is interesting.

Try this one it takes off when you adjust the 5K pot you can adjust the current you need,you will love it

 

 


thanks for sharing
Jagau

Brian posted this 28 November 2021

Hi team

A short update

Continuing the experiment with the Circuit supplied by Jagau I have rewound the coils as 3 separate coils of 100 turns on bucking POC configuration on a C-core. Also applied a load to a one of the POC coils as suggested. 

I also introduced a 0.1 Ohm resistor in series with L3 to measure current flowing in the load.

Yellow trace is across 0.1 ohm resistor, Blue is on Collector of Q2

The measured DC current drawn by the circuit is 158mA (via multimeter).

I am a little concerned that I have a earth loop issue measuring the current as a average current of 230mA calculated form the Vavg of 23mV does not seem to practically hold true as this should be enough current to self run the circuit. It does not.

LEDs disconnected to reduce current consumed by the load has no additional effect.

Also I tuned the circuit with a 2.5V supply and with one LED in the load the cap then charged to 2.54V. With this matched voltage I connected to across supply and removed supply. Still it seems the current was not enough to sustain.

I need to consider alternate methods to self power and recheck my measurements and calibrations.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

 

Brian posted this 03 December 2021

Hi team

Being mindful of the information provided above from Jagau, I have spent some time to summarize and confirm the performance of the coil and arrangement I am using. As I have mentioned above it doesn't feel as there is enough energy being introduced get a significant interaction of opposing magnetic fields. So here are the details.

I am using the circuit designed by Jagau to drive the coils, which works really well over a wide range of coil inductance.

The coils are 100 turns each of 0.35mm copper on a C-core. POC coils are separate.

Looking at the waveforms on the POC coils with a diode in circuit on each we can see that the phase is opposing as it should be.

I note there is no (or very little ramping) on the wave which I think would indicate low magnetic interaction?

I then changed the load circuit to a alternate design. 

Below is the POC coil now driving the load (yellow) compared to the input coil (blue).

Measurements when I match the voltage across the load to the input voltage show a shortage of current generated by the arrangement. I am not sure if this is valid thinking, in order to be self running it must be able to produce excess current at the matched supply voltage. So in order to measure this effect I used the following arrangement.

I then went back to the original circuit and tested again to verify performance of the 2.

The point of note here is performance with L2 open. 

In summary to me there seems to be a lack of magnetic interaction on the coils.

My thoughts are there needs to be more energy inserted into this arrangement either via higher voltage or higher frequency. Or maybe the coil design is not suitable, wrong core, or more turns required.

Seems at the moment I may be off track to the eternal flashlight.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

 

Brian posted this 09 December 2021

Hi team

Following some really good insights posted by Chris on his thread Chris's replication of AndreyMelnichenkos GLED I took a more detailed look at my wave forms rom that build. I am a way short of the waveform required, but I can see evidence of the reguaging Chris is referring too.

For example on my capture below if I zoom more closely to the highlighted area.

We see

Further research based on Chris's Video The Secret Revealed - Resonance Magnetically prompted me to investigate if I could determine the magnetic resonance of the coils I am using above. I set out to measure this using the following circuit as per the video.

These are the results at which magnetic resonance was strongest. Yellow Trace is measuring voltage induced in the Partnered coil and the Blue Trace is measuring the current through the Partnered coil via the voltage drop across the 0.1 ohm metal strip resistor.

I understand that Magnetic Resonance is at its peak when the current flowing peaks. 

Sweeping the coil I find this at 23Mhz as per below.

I believe this would be a very useful tool to ensure our coils are optimized to the frequency we are designing the circuit for. I note also that this resonant frequency will change with the load on the coils. Some work needs to be done to see if a relationship can be found for tuning coils in the circuit they are designed for. 

Kind Regards

Brian

 

 

Brian posted this 02 January 2022

Hi team,

Happy new year, best wishes for advancement of knowledge and health and safety to all. 

I received my pot cores and carefully wound as per specifications kindly provided by Chris. I acknowledge your comments on this Chris and respect your work, my aim was to achieve at least the results you have and then maybe advance on that. To that end careful identical replication was my first step. 

The wire lengths specified resulted in 29mH for L1 and 97mH for L2 so I can probably take a couple of turns off L1. But it is interesting to see the results. Supply is 3 Volts. Yellow trace is CN1 and Blue is CN3

As you can see I am now getting pulses on the bottom of the cycle on CN3. I acknowledge that my scope is probably not displaying the pulses accurately as its resolution and possibly rise times may not be ideal when compared to other images of these waveforms posted by various members.

Do you think this is a indication of charge being pumped into the 100uF cap during this part of cycle?

I will make some small adjustments to L1 to see if I can improve on this.

Kind regards

Brian

Chris posted this 22 October 2021

Hey Jagau,

Yes, I agree! Magnetic Resonance is key, and the Input must be just enough to bring the Interactions of the coils into Magnetic Resonance. At peak Voltage is where we will have Magnetic Resonance.

A great deal of tuning is required for these Circuits, and if one has good SMPS knowledge, then I think that would make this all the much easier for a full circuit design, I posted a thread Here on this very topic.

I wish I did a University Degree on SMPS's and then maybe I would not have so much trouble making these small circuits work!

The Coils are the easy part!

Using various methods they are easy to make do what's required!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Brian posted this 03 November 2021

Big thankyou YoElMiCrO for finding my mistake. I note alternate circuits use a 330pF cap for timing the MC34063.

I have replaced with what I have available atm which is a 560pF. This has made a significant difference as you would expect

Because of my fiddling as per above the closest coil I have to the 22mH/54mH spec measure currently 20.2mH/55.3mH with inner and outer copper strip connected across L1. I note also that the  Following is its result. Yellow trace is CN1. Blue trace is CN3.

I now have some resonance appearing L1 and only required the drive voltage to be 2.5 Volts which is down form 4V.

Now heading in the right direction at least.

Kind Regards

Brian

Brian posted this 09 November 2021

Hey Team

Thought it might be time for a update.

Over the past several days the experiments have followed the line of tuning L2 to a length proportional to L1

I measured the length of L1 including all tails to get the total aerial length (so to speak) and treated L1 as 1/4 wavelength. L1 is about 26mH. As a note the inductance of L1 changes slightly with different windings on L2 (open circuit). Also copper strips are connected either side of L1 and are located on the very inner and very outer of the windings on a 45mm Potcore. Supply voltage 3V.

The measurements of each experiment are as follows:

L1 24.2mH (1/4 wave) / L2 302mH (4/4 wave)

L1 26.8mH (1/4 wave) / L2 187.4mH (3/4 wave)

L1 23mH (1/4 wave) / L2 71mH (1/2 wave)

Unfortunately for whatever reason the pic of the full wave L2 did not save, but the result was unsuitable.

The Above is L2 3/4 wavelength wire

The above is L2 1/2 wavelength wire. (the bursts of resonance are more tightly packed than either 4/4 or 3/4 wavelength winding experiments - I think this might also be showing a limitation of my scope when storing snap shots)

Also to note my circuit is using a 330pF timing cap currently as I did not have a 510pF and I note that several other circuits using the MC34063 are using this value. (a 510pF cap is on its way). I also used a variable air gap cap to explore the effect of changing the 510pF timing cap from 330pF to 840pF. There were no improvements to note with the variance, but this may be down to length of wires and the air gap cap itself.

My feeling is the 1/4 wave - 1/2 wave L1 - L2 relationship was working better on this core as additionally I could drop the input voltage to 2.2 and still brightly light the LEDS and measure 2.8V at the 2200uF cap.

In conclusion I feel that finding the correct L1 inductance and winding L2 to double L1's wire length may be a step in the right direction. Finding the sweet spot value for L1 is the next task.

Chris I am interested to know the answer to your question "Can anyone point out the issues I have with my Waveform?"

Kind Regards

Brian

 

Brian posted this 24 November 2021

Hi Team

Have spent some time with your circuit now Jagau which has provided some unexpected insights.

Basically I built your circuit with some substitute TO220 transistors (TIP31 and TIP32) which I had in my parts. Wound a 401uH Inductor on a C-core and powered with a 1.5V power supply.

The immediate result was nothing. My first thought was to order some of the designated transistors, but I decided to have a bit of a fiddle first. As it turned out if I shorted the collector / emitter on the PNP transistor to bias on the NPN and get some current flowing in the inductor, it gave the kick it needed to start oscillation. Well this was interesting.

So I then tried my Air Transformer from Akula Lamp. 

Nothing again even with the kick.

The inductance on L2 of this  transformer is 14uH, a fair way from the design parameters. But by chance I noticed with a probe on the collector of the NPN transistor, I could short the E/C of the PNP and kick the circuit to resonance. So this gave me the idea of adding some capacitance across the Collector / Emitter of the NPN transistor. Turns out 10nF here was all that was needed. It can now run L1 (7uH) and L2 (14uH) of the air coil as long as a short / kick is provided, but will self start without the short / kick with about 200uH and above inductors connected. All scope shots are taken with the extra 10nF cap connected.

 

This exercise has provided some new investigation paths to progress work on Akula’s Lamp version.

Great suggestion Jagau!! – Thank you very much.

Kind Regards

Brian

Brian posted this 24 November 2021

Sorry Jagau - It was meant as a compliment and a thankyou for sharing very valuable information.

My meaning was that on a journey we set out in one direction not knowing what we need to learn. Having generous people, such as yourself, offer insights that the novice at their point in the journey is yet to understand its importance is a true gift.

I have built your latest circuit above and note how efficiently tunes to the inductor of the circuit over a very wide range. It seems to work much better on inductors with ferrite cores than air cores (or maybe it is down to how I have only that one air coil atm to test with). I had been experimenting with various configurations to explore if it settles on the natural resonance of the inductor. I have not yet concluded on the answer of that yet.

Please accept my apology. I do truly appreciate your advice and in no way meant any disrespect. The comment about me getting distracted is a observation and admission that at times we do not know what we need to know. If we are really fortunate, caring people will present this knowledge if we are open to receive it.

I hope my persistence and progress will regain your trust and thank you again for your support.

Kind Regards

Brian

Brian posted this 30 November 2021

Hi Team

A quick update

As suspected I did have a earth loop creating the measurement error. 

To eliminate I am running the scope off a battery for these measurements. It is also showing some limitations of measurement sensitivity of my cheap scope. I am using a controlled DC power supply for the supply as it has a handy current display as well as voltage control.

Still it seems I am not getting enough current to self run. So considering options I could reduce the secondary turns or increase the primary. The resultant drop in voltage should still be plenty. I respect that Jagau did advise to have the same number of turns on all coils. Please forgive this little side experiment Jagau - I will increase the primary as this is the easiest for a quick test.

Kind Regards

Brian

Brian posted this 13 December 2021

Hi Team

I have been experimenting further with this simple arrangement to arrive at the coil resonant frequency with the goal of quantifying the performance of the coil so to match it to how the circuit is designed to operate.

In some designs where frequencies are preset this is a handy tool. But with the eternal flashlight designs some challenges are presented. As you might expect if we apply a square wave the resonant frequency changes significantly, then if you change the duty cycle we get still different results. Additionally I note on the pot cores I have been using for these flashlights the better results are in the Mhz range, where many of the primary frequencies of the driven coils are in the Khz and below so it seems we are relying on harmonics or resonant vibrations of the LC circuit to hit the sweet frequency of the coil. Hence why these coils are so fickle to get right!!

I am waiting on a core which Chris has shown to have better results with than what I am achieving so it has been interesting to apply this technique to the various builds and coils and see the results. 

Ref: Ebay - P4728 HAGY 47x28mm M2 78 LARGE POT P PP Ferrite Core transformer AL=9500

Kind regards

Brian

Chris posted this 02 January 2022

Hey Brian,

Excellent Work! Thanks for Sharing!

If I may, some advice, closely study what's occurring before you make any changes. Look at the Spike causing the massive Change in the Sinusoidal Wave. Study WHY this is occurring!

Close up Images of the Effect will shed light on this effect! Close observation of what Evades Others, will yield Results, that Others Fail to Obtain!

I am very pleased you have a result that you can work with and gain a Fantastic Understanding now!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Jagau posted this 03 May 2022

Hello Brian
I don't know if it's going well for you, give us some news about your experiences.

I would like if you have the time to make an etlernal flasher ?

. I have one here that has been working since last year, with only one LED though, and recharges itself with the energy that surrounds us and does not need to be charged at the start and works without batteries.
Jagau

Brian posted this 21 October 2021

Thanks Chris

This is the circuit wizard file I built which is similar to the second. But looking at the 2 above the seem to be the same just different layouts. I must be missing seeing some point of difference.

I did have some tests similar to above waveform around the 280Khz but they failed to produce enough voltage to light the LEDs.

Thanks I will go back and revisit them.

One further question - for D1 I am using a 1N4004 - do you think it is suitable or would you suggest something different?

 

Chris posted this 21 October 2021

Hey Brian,

Yes, that is the same circuit I posted here, its the same Circuit as the original ÐžÐ±ÑŠÐµÐºÑ‚ 013Б, I posted a copy of the original files here.

I posted my failure on this circuit here. I was not able to make the Circuit, that I replicated, work as was shown!

I believe the basic layout works, I believe the machine did run as was shown, but believe the Circuit to be fake. Not real or not accurate!

In the future, I will show this circuit running by itself.

This basic circuit is based on Andrey Melnichenko's GLED.

What would I do to the current circuit to make this work?

This:

 

Of course, Q1's tunning would be critical!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

 

Jagau posted this 21 October 2021

Hello Chris and Brian
I think the key to this circuit is to make it work in  selfrunning mode and with an asynmetric transformer.
I will post here this circuit here with an oscillator which adjusts his frequency to the coils and to the spread capacitance of the coils.
I am building such a coil with E core. Oscillator is ready and functionnal.
Jagau

Brian posted this 22 October 2021

Hey Thanks Jagau and Chris

This was a really circuit was a really good exercise. Even though I was way off track I did learn a good lesson in tuning the different coils. One turn can be the difference between the circuit coming to life and DOA. It has bought home that the solution could be that next thing or next thought or maybe adding that other value cap. Persistence seems to be key. The more I persistence the better I get the feel and knowledge and better decisions are made.

I am going to put this to one side for a little and move on where I was heading with this which was Andrey Melnichenko's GLED

I have spare boards so if there are members that would like to commit to the build I am happy to send.

This circuit design is from chris-s-replication-of-andrey-melnichenkos-gled post

Thanks Chris

Brian posted this 26 October 2021

Hi Team

I have finished the circuit and wound the Pot core with copper strip.

I did a short test wind and assembled and measured to get a rough idea of the lengths required. From this i noted a couple of points.

Watching the coil unwinding video it shoes he did about 26 arm lengths on the primary and 23 arm lengths on the secondary, which is a long way away from the 22mH and 57Mh shown on the schematic. So I decided to go the path as shown in the Chris's replication of Andrey Melnichenko's GLED group.

My first completed winding with copper strips across the primary resulted in 34.7mH Primary / 72.8mH Secondary resulting in a 88Hz  waveform on the gate tunable to about 167Hz. Calculations show that if I lower the Inductance of the secondary this frequency should drop which is not the 269Hz shown in the successful replication. 

You will note also that I have no resonance waveforms on the primary. I used a 560nF timing cap here instead of a 510nF as that was all I could get my hands on. This will result in a lower frequency I believe so I will need to change that.

Next steps

  • Change the timing cap
  • Take off some windings to get closer to the design

Questions

  • Is it confirmed that 22mH/54mH is the working design?
  • Do we have to tune the capacitance also by trimming the copper strip?
  • Will it work with a IRF3205 or do i need to wait for the KT805 to turn up?

Kind Regards

Brian

Chris posted this 29 October 2021

Hi Brian,

Electromagnetic Induction as it stands in Science today is entirely Symmetrical!

 

Conventional Transformer

Primary Turns M.M.F is Equal and opposite to the Secondary M.M.F. This means Ampere Turns are equal and opposite, we see Symmetry as each Force Cancels itsself:1 + -1 = 0.

 

Conventional Generator

Shaft Torque is proportional to the Magnetic Field Reluctance on the Shaft due to the Stator Coils. Again M.M.F is the force and Ampere Turns are equal and opposite, we see Symmetry as each Force Cancels itsself:1 + -1 = 0.

Shaft Torque: τ

τ = r F sin θ

Where:

  • τ = torque
  • r = radius
  • F = force
  • θ = angle between F and the lever arm

 

If the best Generator in the world is 95% efficient, then Shaft torque, Windage Loss and other losses make 100% then we get 95% Electrical Energy, a Symmetrical System can never go above unity!

 

Asymmetry or Broken Symmetry

Symmetry of M.M.F + -M.M.F = 0, Asymmetry of M.M.F + -M.M.F + M.M.F = 1, we now see an open door, where all of Science has lapsed entirely this other half of Natural Science of Electromagnetism. 

Applying this to the Conventional Transformer is simply using all of the -M.M.F and canceling this entirely so it does not create a negative effect on the Input... Sounds simple, it is once one understands this!

Andrey Melnichenko gave us this analogy:

 

It is easy to confuse simple things! It is easy to over complicate this! Its important one thinks simple about this and applies the right steps, if one can use this following analogy:

and then apply the Balance and Imbalance of Force, then this becomes very easy very quickly!

The Secondary of any Conventional Transformer has an M.M.F that is entirely Wasted and always has been!

Using smart Switching techniques and different Inductances we can achieve the same Asymmetry, or M.M.F Imbalance!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 06 November 2021

Hey Brian,

I am going to speculate, I can not prove this, yet I have seen results, most of the time.

1/4 is 0.25, now the MC34063 IC has a timing inside the chip. again all this is speculation, but I believe, the chip switches at Time t, so Coil L1 must match the 1/4 Wavelength, and L2 is a Harmonic of the Fundamental. We have covered Antenna Theory already here.

Lets look at Akula's figures:

 

So, lets ask, what's the Output Impedance? We can only guess on statistics, lets use this chart:

 

 

Back to back, we have 30 Ohms approximately right?

Lets use the Aboveunity.com Member Calculator to see the Coil characteristics:

So, turns ratio, are 1 : 1.414, so we could say, 1 / 1.414 = 0.707 and 1 - 0.707 = 0.29278, so not quite our 1/4 wavelength... Which is 0.25. Confused?

I really wish someone would chime in with more experience than me to help and correct me when I am wrong!

There is some guess work involved, that's all there is to it! I am no expert, that's why I said what I did, I am no expert, I have to guess on things. I cannot set any example if I do not have all the answers, I can only try to help. cry

I am sorry, my lack of Electronic Skills, and lack of answers gives me, and all of us, a disadvantage, but I am fairly confident that's part of the answer.

Can anyone point out the issues I have with my Waveform?

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Brian posted this 06 November 2021

Hey Chris

Amazing that you bring that up. After re reading some of you material, re winding with 1/4 wavelength in mind was my next step.

I arrived at this a little more simply, but I do like your considered approach better

My conclusion came from your information on how to think about magnetic resonance with reference to wire length.

Many thanks for your help

Kind Regards

Brian

Jagau posted this 07 November 2021

Hello Chris
What does it mean by


the MC34063 IC has timing inside the chip


It is the capacitor on pin 3 that determines the timing of the MC34063 it seems to me?

Jagau

Jagau posted this 08 November 2021

Hi Chris

For your waveform of an LED where your red arrow is located we are in the linear region of the curve when we know that an LED is not linear it is only a linear region that interests us in fact that which one can foresee a certain linearity.


For the impedance we must not forget that 'we only speak with sinusoidal shapes and different frequencies to calculate the impedance I am sure you know that. For the calculation of the LED it is a resistor (R) and not an impedance) Z).


I'm sure you knew that, maybe I misunderstood your question please explain?

Jagau

Chris posted this 08 November 2021

Hey Jagau and all,

Yes, technically I am not correct, I have misspoken, so I need to put that bit better!

Pointed out the timing here and various other places, the MC34063 is a PWM Converter Chip, on the IC Schematic, you can see:

 

We can see that Pin 3 is the Timing Capacitor.

So, my statement:

now the MC34063 IC has a timing inside the chip.

 

Perhaps should have been: "Pin 3 has a Timing Capacitor that controls the IC Timing or PWM in combination with other features"

I hope this is better and more precise?

It is the case that Readers will need to read between the lines a little, to understand some of the comments I make! I am not always entirely fluent with 100% of the statements I make, although I do make effort to be. If I am tired, then sometimes some things are not always 100% correct, so please read between the lines somewhat!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 08 November 2021

Hi Chris

For your waveform of an LED where your red arrow is located we are in the linear region of the curve when we know that an LED is not linear it is only a linear region that interests us in fact that which one can foresee a certain linearity.


For the impedance we must not forget that 'we only speak with sinusoidal shapes and different frequencies to calculate the impedance I am sure you know that. For the calculation of the LED it is a resistor (R) and not an impedance) Z).


I'm sure you knew that, maybe I misunderstood your question please explain?

Jagau

 

 

Yes, Jagau, I did not mean that Waveform, that's from Manufacturer website, not my waveform. cool

I meant the waveform from the oscilloscope screen shot I posted, none of the others. That's why I said: "Can anyone point out the issues I have with my Waveform?"

I meant this one:

 

That's mine.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Brian posted this 08 November 2021

Hey Chris, I am not sure of the relevance, but the frequency at around 95Hz is a fair way short of the 269Hz shown in Akula's video.

Could this be corrected by reducing the timing cap?

Kind Regards

Brian

Chris posted this 08 November 2021

Hey Brian,

Experiment is always the best practice to learn, so I suggest do what you feel is best!

If it was me, I would reduce Inductance first, changing the the Cap will effect the rest of the Circuit. I think the Circuit is pretty close to complete. You have all the right Values of Components?

There is a relationship between the coils as pointed out. Focus on that when winding or modifying  the Coils.

An _ _ _ _ _ _ _ must be tuned for optimum Frequency Response!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 10 November 2021

Hey Brian,

You said:

Rewound L2 to double L1 length

 

This gives a Turns Ratio of: 1 : 2 Right?

 

I calculated for you:

So, turns ratio, are 1 : 1.414

 

Which can be factored, and worked out using the Greatest Common Factor, for complete turns. Which are?

Anyone?

I have said, attention to detail, 5 more minutes focusing on Theory can save Hours on the bench Winding Coils. Failure comes from Incomplete understanding, mostly. There are inaccuracies in my post Here, but I do give you a great deal information! That's all I can do to try and help!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Chris posted this 11 November 2021

Nice work and Thank You for Sharing Brian!

Its not hard to see you're heading in the right direction! IC Current is something to look at, did you look at the links to the calculators I posted Here? Of course if the Current Draw is too much, the Circuit wont self run! A factor to look at!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Brian posted this 12 November 2021

Hey Chris in regards to current draw seems minimizing Q1 on time seems important here. I don't understand or observe the pumping effect of this part of the circuit and it does not seem to have a positive effect with my tests. If I take Q1 out the current drops yet the wave forms remain the same. Made me think I had something wrong with this part of the circuit yet I can see Q1 switch with a probe on the Drain. I can save 20mA without Q1 and CD4069.

I understand that there is a purpose for this even though I have not been able to observer it.

In regards to progress with the coils, I note my best results with L1 37.1mH - L2 74.9mH which supports the 1:1.414 turns relationship. Current draw of the circuit at 2.2V was 22mA or (10mA with Q1 out)

In general lower frequencies seem to have lower current draw requirements which also result in lower voltages differentials at CN1 and CN3 which seem to match the calculators prediction for current if Vin and Vout are less different.

L1 37.1mH - L2 74.9mH above

Kind regards

Brian

Brian posted this 14 November 2021

Hi Team

Spent some more time on this project slowly increasing the L1 inductance while maintaining the L2 1:1.414 ratio.

Unfortunately I have not been able to improve performance and lower current draw any further. Current L1/L2 IS 41mH/82.1mH.

A consistent observation is that less current is drawn if tuned to a lower frequency. Also taking Q1 out of its socket has no effect on CN1, CN3 waveforms but reduces current draw about 20mA.

There is something I am missing regarding bringing in the function of Q1 but at this stage I am not sure how to activate it.

My last increase to 41mH / 82.1mH seems to support that increases further is not an advantage. Below are both the same core with differnet tuning to demonstrate the lower current at lower frequencies.

188mA draw at 124Hz

58mA draw at 57.5Hz

Testing indicates that L1 around 29mH has to date produced the best performance. I believe a better understand of Q1 function and how to bring it into effect is required to advance further.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

Brian posted this 14 November 2021

Thanks for the info above Jagau.

I will take your suggestion to explore that build to gain further understanding.

It is a little hard to tell if it is wound on a toroid ferrite core? I would expect not.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

Brian posted this 20 November 2021

Hi Team

Spent several days working with the build Jagau  referred.

It has been very interesting studying the performance of these coils, but as yet I have not been able get the circuit to oscillate.

The Coil has 4 turns on the circumference of a 90mm diameter PVC core (storm water pipe) In a larger wire (blue), then the secondary (red) and sense (black) coils wound over perpendicular to the primary. Makes for a nice looking machine.

 

On connection with the circuit in the above posted configuration I am unable as yet to produce oscillation. I am thinking the bias conditions on the BJT's are not quite right so need to spend some further time investigating this.

I have connected a signal gen and swept to view its performance.

I noted in a video I viewed on this device that Akula made a reference of 50 - 150Hz, but this seemed too low to me to have any affect in this type of coil and applying these frequencies basically resulted in nothing on the secondary. But above 1Khz we do get results and above 1Mhz they are significant. Interestingly over 100khz a resonant pulse begins to appear which consists of the applied frequency within a wave vibrating much slower. ie less that 500Hz.

Blue trace is signal seen across the primary with a 3Vp-p 100Khz applied. Yellow Trace is signal of Secondary loaded with a 10K resistor.

Next step in this project is to work out why the circuit will not switch in its default configuration. 

This has proven to be a bit of a diversion from the original goal, but is interesting to experiment with these alternate transformer designs.

Kind Regards

Brian

 

Jagau posted this 25 November 2021

Ok Brian, bad day yesterday

ok everything is back to normal.


Another little trick, try it with 3 coils (same number of turns each) including 2 in POC on the last circuit I sent you

and harvest on the third only,

but watch your fingers it will be high.


Jagau

Brian posted this 25 November 2021

Thank you Jagau for your understanding. 

How many turns do you suggest.

I have started with 50 each on a C Core with all coils being separate (IE not wound over the other)

Tried to tune one POC coil to resonance with a Cap and then harvest off the other POC with the common diode, cap, LED arrangement used.

My thinking is POC coil in resonance assists the primary. The result is about 5ma current draw by the circuit and LEDs well lit. But trying to drive the circuit off the power in the cap is not successful.

Is this the correct approach?

Kind Regards

Brian

Brian posted this 01 December 2021

Hi Team

Well doubling the turns on the primary did not provide the result I was looking for. Is this due to the now different rise/fall time of the relationship between primary and POC coils?

It feels to me that I am not getting enough "smashing" of the magnetic waves in the POC to create the excess energy required. Do I need to increase turns on the POC coils now to match the primary? If so will this result in higher excess energy? That is using 200 turns on all coils instead of 100 turns.

Is the ferrite C-core I am using suitable or should another core be used. Also is the the 0.35mm copper enameled wire suitable or should it be thicker? I see various devices from many builders such as Akula or Andrey Melnichenkos using what appears to be similar cores and wire gauge.

I accept also that the approach I am taking to self power may be faulty thinking. Basically I am matching the voltage on the cap to the input voltage by the load LED arrangement across the L3 coil, then connecting to the power input, retuning a little as the load is now changed, then removing the power source.

At this stage I am not really sure what is the next step to reach this threads goal of an eternal flashlight.

Kind regards

Brian

Jagau posted this 01 December 2021

Hello Brian


In order to help you in your research I am attaching a document to you which will surely help you to go further.
On page 49 and up it's going to get even hotter.

 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xNCCzP0QtDcA8pAGIKPrDvnqREGySVnP/view?usp=sharing


Good reading


Jagau

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