AlteredUnity's Non-inductive coil attempt

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AlteredUnity posted this 09 January 2021

Primary = 14turns (cw) - L : .5mH

L2 = Turns : 32(ccw), second layer 31(ccw), 21(cw) - L : 4.34mH

L3 = inverse of L2 - L : 4.53mH


Prim cap = 2.15nF


Yellow : L2 current over 1 ohm resistor 

Blue : L3 current over 1 ohm resistor 

Measurements are not in any way considered accurate,  was looking to find effects I looked over  so many times in the past. Still alot that could be improved I'm sure, this is without any capacitors on secondary. Any tips where to go from here?

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Chris posted this 09 January 2021

Hey AlteredUnity,

Nice work, Thank You for Sharing!

Follow threads here: Builders Guide to Aboveunity Machines

Aim for Asymmetrical Regauging:


This video shows the basics:


Consider for a moment the construction of the triode which includes the bifilar coils located within the fields of the two conditioned magnets. 

When the current in one half of the conductors in the coils (i.e., one of the bifilar elements in each coil) of the device is moving up, both the current and the magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.


The resultant motional E-field would be vertical to both and inwardly directed.

At the same time the current in the other half of the conductors in the coils is moving down and both the current and magnetic field follow the right-hand rule.


The resulting motional E-field is again vertical to both and inwardly directed.

Thus, the resultant field intensity is double the intensity attributable to either one of the set of coil conductors taken singularly.

Expressed mathematically: E = ( B x V ) + ( -B x -V ) = 2 ( B x V )

Ref: Floyd Sweet - Nothing is Something


We are here, do the reading and studding, we will help you! Like Floyd Sweet said, you need 2 B x V.

Best Wishes,


AlteredUnity posted this 09 January 2021

Going back to try to get it right, I tried the two different configurations in the "Reduced impedance effect" experiment,  these are the results I got. Yellow is current, Blue is voltage. One configuration isnt drawing alot of current from source,  but scaled up looks like long liniar increase, and same with decrease. Is there an issue with coil interaction there, or is this something I should be seeing?

Chris posted this 09 January 2021

Hey AlteredUnity,

Did you get time to read my above post?

Best Wishes,


AlteredUnity posted this 13 August 2021

Came back to this after getting better understanding of circuits, filters resonance, etc. Blue is voltage over light, yellow is current over L3(hard to see after resizing, but mean value on yellow is 34mV(34mA), Blue is 60v. First pic is with half-bridge, C1 is removed and L3 is connected backwards and is separated with just 1 ohm resistor after diode, and duty cycle is 8%. I got pretty great results using 100uf cap and light in parallel to it, but I see alot of room for measurement  errors. I'm assuming, since L2 voltage is in phase with L3 current, coils are exchanging correctly. Could be wrong. Still need to check L1 for resonance,  but will be back with L1 and current on L2. Will post the pics that actually go with circuit  drawing later as well

Chris posted this 13 August 2021

Hi AlteredUnity,

Please review my Series: Chris's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment:


11 Videos in total.

There are several things I can recommend to help further:

  • Verify using the Right Hand Grip Rule, your Partnered Output Coils are Opposing. Bucking Magnetic Fields.
  • Shorten up All Wires/Leads. Always keep All Wires/Leads short as possible.
  • Check Scope Probe Placements and show in Diagrams. Not shown on Input Stage.
  • Scope Shots are backwards indicating some possible problems, so please verify point 3.
  • Replace Current Sensing Resistors with Precission Resistors - This is important.
  • Output Voltage is Important, look at what Turns per Volt are.
  • Observe and study the Ramp Up period shown below.
  • Study Anytenna Theory and why Partnered Output Coils use Antenna Theory - Important.
  • Follow my Orriginal Circuits before moving onto your Circuit Shown. Study the Simplicity of My Circuits.
  • Follow more closely the advice given in other threads.


You are Close, I think you only need to observe a few simple things and this will give you a big leg up.

Observing and Studing the Ramp Up Area will help emmensely:


The Cause of this is:

At Time t = 0: we have no Conduction in all Coils in our machines. No Current Flows.

At Time t = 1: we have Input Coil Conduct with the Switch On of the Mosfet, Current Starts to Flow.

At Time t = 2: we have Electromagnetic Induction between your Input Coil and POCOne , POCOne Conducts when the Diode Voltage is at threshold Voltage, normally 0.5 to 0.7 Volts.

At Time t = 3: we have Current Flow in POCOne, this Current starts to Change in Time also, Electromagnetic Induction occurs between POCOne and POCTwo.

At Time t = 4: we have POCOne's Current induce sufficient Voltage in POCTwo and then at 0.5 to 0.7 Volts, POCTwo then Conducts.

Here you can see, we have a Delay in Conduction, the Coils are delayed in Time T, and as a result, they Slap Together, which is Electromagnetic Induction in your Machine for a Second Time!


The Answers are right infront of us, we only need observe with an open mind.

I could not help observing the Resonance Coils which look like the Coil which Rick Friedrick sells? Also you are using Don Smiths basic Circuit.

I saw your posts on Here, the story behind this is Here.

We are willing to help AlteredUnity, if you can study up a little, follow the guidelines and we will have you up and running very soon! CaptianLoz will attest to this.

Best Wishes,


AlteredUnity posted this 13 August 2021

Yea wasn't aware ur site was back up, so posted under ur topic, of course no actual help was obtained. I will go back through your series. Yes those are Rick's, going through his pamphlet of preaching, and premade coils helped test settings, and effects. Although I was able to assemble circuits it just let me know I still have no idea why these things are happening, so started going through, Art of Electronics labs. When you say my probe was connected wrong, that's what I thought but, probe is connected between right after diode(cathode side) before resistor, and ground to other side of resistor. Then I was looking a picture of Gundersons wave, you said was upside down, tho mine do the same? I have precision resistors, I will set it back up and try different/better setup. I always try to incorporate Don's, reading through his book, as u can see formula for cps at top.Thanks!

Melendor posted this 13 August 2021

Nice work.
Place a 10k resistor to the Base of the mosfet and ground.
That will discharge the gate of the mosfet faster to ground.
I see that you got L1 in parallel with a capacitor.
Do you know the effect of parallel LC resonance ?

Chris has said in many of his videos :  ""The CURRENT in L1 will induce a voltage in the POC "
No curent in L1 voltage  or very little in the POC.

I wish you best of luck.
*Melendor the Wizard

cd_sharp posted this 13 August 2021

Hey, AlteredUnity

One of the basic requirements is to have a clean switching circuit. Without this all the effort is in vain.

Please, have a close look at this thread:

You can download the zip and order a number of boards at a local supplier. Parts can be found at . It takes some financial and bench effort, but the result is superb as long as you don't go to hundreds of KHz and above 40 volts with it.

Stay strong!

"It's just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other" (Steven Mark)

Chris posted this 13 August 2021

 Hi AlteredUnity,

Youre doing a really good job, so be proud of how far you have come already!

The Copper Electrons in each Atom just need to be push a little, the Bucking Magnetic Fields of the Partnered Output Coils do this. Youre on the right path, keep at it and success will come your way soon!

Thank You for Sharing, looking forward to seeing your next experiment. 

Best Wishes,



Fighter posted this 14 August 2021

Yea wasn't aware ur site was back up

Hi AlteredUnity,

you should join the secondary forum we're using for updates, this way we're in touch when/if AboveUnity forum is down:

Please use the same name like here when registering there and I or Cd_Sharp will know it's you and we'll approve your join request.



AlteredUnity posted this 14 August 2021

Setting up lil better circuit hopefully will have results today, implementing 10k resistor from base to ground(going to use gate driver as well), until I can put together setup CD_Sharp recommended.Will register soon, thanks fighter. Appreciate all the pointers everyone!

AlteredUnity posted this 17 September 2021

Here's a couple more test I've done before switching to thicker primary(with 1 channel of new board - Quadratron - Thanks cd for recommendation. Started tearing first board apart thinking I shorted something,  turns out I put mosfet is backwards). First two pics are 11.1khz, 9% duty cycle. Blue is current over POC1(with load), yellow is current of POC2.

The following pics are at 3.2khz with 6% duty cycle. The last picture, while slowly sweeping frequency,  I hear a small click and my scope went haywire, but still got sawtooth forms in there haha. Unfortunately I didnt have time to change or add loads, but I know theres room for improvement,  figured I'd try thicker primary, step voltage up, add load to L3 etc.

Chris posted this 17 September 2021

Hi AlteredUnity,

Great work here!

I hope you're learning a lot in these experiments?

The last image you posted is a significant image. You can see a significant effect.

Please note: In your Image, this can be cleaned up significantly, adjusting Frequency and Duty Cycle, aiming for maximum Output Amplitude, V B and I. In other words Resonance.


We have seen this before, on the thread: The Rotary Transformer - Tinman

Here is the image:


And the Videos:


AlteredUnity, study in depth what you have. Look at the Magnetic Field of each and every Coil! Look at the Strength and also the Density, remember small cores are limited to very little Flux Density. 

Improvements are easy and cheap, so look at where improvements can be made. Shorter Coils with a much greater Cross Sectional Area ( CSA ), as B is dependent on the Coil Length.

However, study what you have for as long as possible! Also don't forget, all answers are here on this forum!

Best Wishes,


AlteredUnity posted this 4 weeks ago

Haven't had alot of time to examine the details from my last circuit like you recommended Chris, but i noticed in my photos, other than the one you pointed out, i wasnt getting a whole lot of current through my L2. I rewound the primary, spacing turns out a bit more. Also L1 covers about 2/3rds of L2. The noise was hard to deal with even to click on for a picture lol. Yellow probe is L2, Blue is L3. Hope im on the right track. First picture is circuit(from thread). Last picture is where i noticed im close and got the feel for what should change-frequency or duty cycle(and visual from scope lol), then both currents spiked fully filled sawtooth. Most frequencys before that where super noisy(on scope) and nearly no amplitude. 

Input shows 8v @ 158mA. At 1khz, 14% duty cycle.

Next step, seperate coils, see what each one is doing, and what i can do to improve that. Still using alot of power, can prob reduce duty cycle.

I see the N pole on the primary is going same direction as secondary, so also bucking L3(not assisted by it)?

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