Aharonov-Bohm effect as zero-point energy concentrator

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Fighter posted this 20 June 2020

I decided to experiment the possibility of using the Aharonov-Bohm effect to concentrate and gather zero-point energy.

The original post I've made is this one:

This is as a note for myself but also for everyone who ever tried to reproduce Tom Bearden's MEG.

It also have implications on every device using "special" cores including ZPM.

Recently after I saw one of Chris' post about someone asking in private for Tom Bearden's "Energy from the Vacuum" DVDs Collection I became curious and wanted to see what those DVDs contain.

For now I only saw the first DVD from that collection and I already found out there are hidden gems on those DVDs. Really important stuff !

One of them is what I post here and it's Bearden explanation on how MEG really works. It's a paradigm-shifting video segment and I'd wish I'd saw it few years ago when I was trying to replicate MEG.

This is the video segment I'm talking about:

There are a few paradigm-changing conclusions:

  1. J.L. Naudin's explanation on how MEG works is totally wrong. So this simulation is wrong:

The role of the permanent magnet is not to have his magnetic field switched to left and right core sections by the small command coils.

2. Seems that when a permanent magnet is placed inside of the core without gap so the entire magnetic flux of the permanent magnet is "sucked" inside of the core and become trapped there are two effects:

  • the permanent magnet become almost inert so it stops emitting magnetic field around it or (depending of how close to 0 mm is the gap between it and the core) it's emitting a very small magnetic field compared to its original magnetic field;
  • when the previous conditions are happening and almost all the magnetic field of the permanent magnet is trapped inside the core something new happens: outside of the core a zero-point/quantum/aether (however you call it) field is formed containing additional energy ready to be captured by our device.

3. The practical way of capturing additional energy from that new zero-point/quantum/aether field formed outside of the core is to "shake" that field by pulsing the small command coils on top of the MEG. That will make the output coils capture the additional energy contained in that field therefore zero-point energy is added to the device's output.

4. Tom says MEG's output actually contains multiple and very complex signals which our actual instruments (including the oscilloscopes) are unable or have major difficulties to analyze; he says that because of this there is very difficult to calculate the real energy from the output and expensive specialists and specialized instruments are required for calculating MEG's COP.

5. Seems COP 5 is not the limit for MEG, it can go higher but in the prototype trying to go higher would burn the output coils.

6. He's talking about "nano-crystalline material, there's 2-3 types which would do it"; Metglas AMCC core is actually amorphous metal alloy, not nano-crystalline, so I'm not sure it's one of those 2-3 types Bearden is talking about. What if it's not, what if when placing a permanent magnet inside a AMCC core the magnetic field is not "sucked" and trapped inside the core or what if that zero-point field is not forming around the core ? In my experiments I used AMCC-200 but what if, to really have that zero-point field forming around the core, a nano-crystalline core like Hitachi F3CC0125 is required ? Since seems that zero-point field forming outside of the core cannot be detected directly is difficult to verify if amorphous metal cores are able to have that effect or not. If not then I experimented for years with a wrong core so this is a important question which I have no answer for it right now.

Before deciding this I've made additional research about the Aharonov-Bohm effect, it's real, it's confirmed by hundreds of papers and experiments and it's behind the frontier of our classical physics, it cannot be explained by our classical physics but it's more in the domain of the quantum physics.

My guess is what Chris did teach us about the partnered output coils is actually producing the same zero-point energy concentration effect and pulsing it, that's how our devices harvest the extra-energy. And if this experiment is successfully we can enhance the mechanism and concentrate the energy but this time without input energy required from our part. For now it's just a guess of course.

The original paper published in 1959 is here:

The Physical Review 1959 - Aharonov-Bohm Effect

I'll add here just a few things I found during my investigation about the effect.

This is a Wolfram demonstration project I played with to understand better this effect (link to larger image here):

This is a try for a possible explanation of what's actually going on with this effect, but as I'm not that advanced in physics as other guys here I'm not sure it's a valid explanation, I'll just post it here for reference (link to larger image here):

Following are two articles from physics publications:

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And this is a page containing more details about how MEG is using the Aharonov-Bohm effect (link to larger image here):

This is a really expensive experiment, the Hitachi F3CC0125 nano-crystalline core costs (including EU import taxes) as much as 3 AMCC-200 cores or as my oscilloscope.

Here are the core's specs:

Hitachi FINEMET Cores

Basically I spent the research funds for the next 3-4 months but I think it's worth it. Because if what Bearden is describing is correct (and hundreds of papers and experiments confirm this phenomenon) then we can have a input-free device for concentrating the zero-point energy around the core and more than that it is in a form which can easily be harvested.The only energy we will need then would be the energy required by a small primary coil to pulse this field formed around the core so it can be collected by the big secondary coils.

Also, as something personal, if the experiments succeed then I'll know the reason why the MEG replicating experiments I've made for two years with the AMCC-200 Metglas core failed.

The shipment left US and it's on its way to Europe. Meanwhile I need to prepare the specs for appropriate coil supports for this core and send the specs to the CNC firm I used before.

I'll post updates as the project is progressing and as I find time to work on it.

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Atti posted this 21 June 2020


I will definitely get involved in investigating this effect.
In practice, I have done some experiments in the past. Not exactly the way they negotiate. It may also have nothing to do with the whole thing. But in my opinion, the AB effect can be found (but most importantly) in some devices.
So I agree with fighter’s opinion.
(unfortunately I still don't have time to experiment at the moment)
Some older recordings are remnants of images. The significance of the air gap is very great! !!!!

About the outer field.

1:17 onwards. There is really no excess current consumption. But we must not forget that it is only true in open space. If I make it closed (like a conventional transformer excitation or the Bulgarian M.E.G.) the Lenz effect can be felt the same. But then to any extent!
I will continue later.

Nagy Attila.

Chris posted this 21 June 2020

Hey Fighter,

Great thread!

Yes, there is a lot of data when one wants to study the AB Effect. We have covered some of this before here, a few times on the threads found Here.

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,


Fighter posted this 21 June 2020

@Atti Thank you, any experimental help or data about this is more than welcome !

@Chris Thank you for the threads my friend, I'll study the discussions there carefully !

Seems the shipment is moving faster than I expected, it will be here before I'll have the coils supports ready...

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Stay safe and be well everyone !

Fighter posted this 22 June 2020

This was fast, it arrived today.

This one is smaller than AMCC-200, it's less wide - 35mm, while AMCC is 50mm wide.

It has some darker coating on it (probably against rusting) but inside the coating is not uniform so the alloy can be seen, it's white-shiny just like Metglas, visually seems there is no difference between amorphous and nano-crystalline alloys.

Few photos (link to larger image here):

I already sent an email to the CNC firm with the modified schema for coil supports (link to larger image here):

Let's see how busy they are, hopefully they can add my small order to their production schedule.

The difficult part will be to find a matching magnet for this core strong enough but not very strong so when placed inside the core its magnetic flux will be captured entirely by the core so it becomes (almost) inert but in the same time its magnetic flux should not be that powerful so it can escape from the core and flow around the core.

This will be tricky as I need to find this magnet online and I'll not be able to try it. From the original MEG images seems neodymium magnets are too powerful, seems Bearden used a ferrite magnet:

I'll try to find a matching ferrite magnet by dimensions, hopefully it will match the core magnetically too.

Fighter posted this 24 June 2020

The pieces for coils supports are ready, I just need to find time to assemble them (link to larger image here):

Unfortunately I didn't found a ferrite magnet with width 35mm and height 25mm.

I'll keep searching but if I don't find I will need to improvise. I have some ferrite magnets with width 50mm and height 25mm, I used them few years ago while experimenting for MEG with the AMCC-200 core.

As you can see in the photos they're bigger and seems to be too strong, I'll try to manually cut one to see how it behaves.

I know they're hard to cut and cutting one could affect its magnetic properties but if I can't find one appropriate on the market this is the only way.

I'll post updates here as I progress with the project.

dale morgan posted this 25 June 2020

Hello Fighter!,

"His eyes are open and he can see...."  I probably got it wrong. From a Star Trek episode.

Ferrites can be cut to size using a diamond wet saw. Commonly used in jewelry making for cutting stone slabs out of interesting rocks. Make the ferrite a bit smaller than the dimensions of the core side to side. Having the edges line up is counter productive, and allows leakage of flux very easily. This way you can make a perfect fit, nice and tight. Air gaps bleed energy big time! Cutting will not affect the properties of the magnet at all. Magnets never become inert unless they are heated to the Curie temperature. It's all good.

Reading this post was a joy for me!

Have a good day everybody,


Fighter posted this 28 June 2020

I finished building the coil supports and also the coils (link to larger image here):

Coils have approx. 250 turns (+/- 10 turns) of 0.6mm copper wire.

About cutting the ferrite magnet, the operation failed, probably I did put too much pressure on the cutting-saw while manually cutting and the magnet broke in two randomly-shaped pieces.

I was thinking about Dale's recommendation ("Make the ferrite a bit smaller than the dimensions of the core side to side. Having the edges line up is counter productive, and allows leakage of flux very easily.") so I searched and I found on local market a 20x20x25 mm ferrite magnet and I placed the order, it should arrive within few days.

Also I searched for a way to make the magnet modular and I found and ordered a few packs of 7x7x25 mm ferrite magnets from UK. This way I will be able to add/remove this kind of magnets in the center of the core while searching for a matching magnetic force for the core. I don't know how fast the shipment from UK will arrive, hopefully I'll receive it within few days too.

Augenblick posted this 29 June 2020

Consider using ferrofluid to fill in the gaps.



... in the blink of an eye.

Fighter posted this 05 July 2020

Some updates. Preparing for experiments doesn't work according to my plan, I'll explain below.

First, I'm posting the characteristics of the coils as measured by my LCR, here you can see only the left coil but right coil is almost the same, there is just a difference of +/- 10 turns (link to larger image here):

I've built assembled 3 of measurement blocks made by Chris and I've built a flexible circuit with connectors and wires so I can easily attach loads (12V/5W light bulbs) and easily insert measurement blocks in the circuit when required (link to larger image here):

Also I received the two 20x20x25mm ferrite magnets I bought from local market. The small 7x7x25mm ferrite magnets I ordered from UK just entered in country, seems they are transported on ground by truck so probably I'll receive them someday in the incoming week.

So the plan with these two similar coils was to make first a standard 1:1 transformer and then to experiment with different magnetic force and to observe eventually a increase in the power on the secondary coil (the coil on the right side).

Well, seems like the 250 turns using 0.6 mm copper wire are not okay for a 1:1 transformer with this core. The 12V/5W light bulb on the secondary (right-side) coil is not working at all when powering with pulsed 12V the primary (left-side) coil no matter what frequency or duty-cycle I use. I had a conversation with Cd_Sharp and seems the 250 turns are too much for the coils.

The light bulb start to shine only when I use pulsed 25V with 500Hz and 50% duty-cycle (link to larger image here):

But what I found out in this configuration is, even if the light bulb on the secondary (right-side coil) is shining very weak, I have high voltage back-EMF on the primary (left-side coil), if I put the 220V/70W light bulb in parallel on the primary coil I have it shining, it's weak but still it's a 220V/70W light bulb ! (link to larger image here):

Notice the consumption seen by the DC source (not sure how accurate it is) is just about 100mA higher.

And a note: the primary coil starts to warm up slowly in this configuration.

So right now I have a problem with a standard 1:1 transformer which is not working as expected but which unexpectedly creates a pretty strong back-EMF in the primary.

I'll need to figure out and fix the 1:1 functionality issue and to figure out what;s with that back-EMF.

I'll need to try to calculate properly coils for a 1:1 transformer for this core. I'm not that good at transformer calculations, I'll try to figure out how to use Chris's calculator.

So as I said the preparation for experiments don't work as I planned for now.

I'll post updates when I'll figure out these issues and fix them.

Chris posted this 05 July 2020

Hey Fighter,

Awesome update, Thank You for Sharing!

Coupling Factor is a big problem, as Coils are further away from each other, the Coupling falls off sharply. Unity Coupling, where one coil is wound on top of the other, normally Secondary wound on top of the Primary, achieves this Unity Coupling.


Unity Coupling in most cases is modeled as 1 when in reality it may be 0.95 or something. 1 is max, 0 is min. I am sure others here can elaborate further on this if you need more info, Jagau, Vidura or YoElMiCrO or someone. I believe YoElMiCrO was pointing towards this Here.

Of course, you already know about Magnetic Field Symmetry and Asymmetry and how we need Asymmetry for Energy "Generation" in excess of the Unity Boundary, and how this cant be achieved using Symmetry.

Great work, thanks for sharing, this is important stuff to experiment with and important to know about!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,


Fighter posted this 12 July 2020

Hey Fighter, any initial thoughts on the use of Finemet for these experiments? Are you seeing anything to indicate it is worth the price?

Hi Zanzal,

Talking about standard transformers, the price is justified by the properties of the alloy, it's superior to Metglas alloy (link to larger image here):

The core that I have (F3CC0125) is the biggest in these series so it can be used to replace a bigger Metglas core (maybe even AMCC1000 ?) with smaller AT (Ampere-Turn) and smaller core losses.

So I think this is how officially the price is justified.

Related to our technologies, the only way the price can be justified is if it's doing what Bearden says: the separation of the curled and uncurled A potentials from the magnetic field of a permanent magnet.

From my first experiment (where I tried just a 1:1 transformer) the surprise came from the strong BEMF I received in the primary. Even if the transformer's configuration was not correct (too many turns in the coils) and the 12V/5W light bulb on secondary was illuminating very weak, the BEMF received in primary was capable to have a 220V/70W light bulb illuminating much stronger (link to larger image here):

That's what I consider a first anomaly related to this core.

I also hope the anomaly Bearden is talking about is real too.

But I don't expect to be easy to find the configuration. As Bearden said, in order to find the right configuration, "we have to keep tweaking the heck out of it":

"Every time I shake or perturb this A potential it makes an E field... And the sharper the change the greater the size of the E field from space around the core. This does not happen in any other normal transformer in the whole world as far as we're aware. From the space outside the MEG there arises then these tremendously strong E fields which radiate into every coil it's rounded on this transformer.... The biggest action in the MEG is an electric field transformer not a magnetic field transformer...We have to keep tweaking the heck out of it... You do it by trial and error and adjust until it's mostly additive. If you build those out of phase so they're subtractive rather than additive you build a worse transformer than the normal... But if you get them additive you beat the heck out of every other transformer in the world because it goes way over unity."

The difficult part is that uncurled A potential outside the core cannot be detected/measured directly. The only way to detect/measure it is to disturb it so it produce an electric field which can be collected by a coil.

So I should do it by trial and error: add magnetic field (using the 7x7x25mm magnets), try a large range of pulses and frequencies on a coil and measure the electric field in another coil. But there is no way to know if that electric field collected by the second coil is produced by the A potential outside the core or it's produced by the magnetic flux in the core like a standard transformer does. About this problem I'll post a possible solution later here and ask the guys more advanced in the transformers technologies if it's valid or not.

So I'll need to "tweak the heck out of it" in a painful trial and error process (adjust coils, adjust permanent magnet flux, adjust frequency and pulse width) until I'll get closer to the correct configuration.

But if in the end the experiment will be successfully then the core it's worth the price and we'll get to a new level with our devices because then we'll have a proven method of concentrating and harvesting energy directly from the zero-point/quantum/aether field. This is what I hope for and this is the reason why I invested so much in this experiment.

Fighter posted this 12 July 2020

Hi guys,

I have a question for the guys more advanced than me in the transformers technologies.

We all know how a transformer is made. What happens if we have a coil which is not around the core like this ?

Will it receive any voltage or current on it ?

The question could be seen as stupid but it's not, the reason I'm asking this is because I'm looking for a way to detect/measure a electric field formed outside of the core.

The hypothesis is the scenario described by Bearden: outside the core is present a uncurled A potential (Aharonov-Bohm effect) but in order to detect it we need to disturb it by applying sharp pulses in the primary so it starts producing electric (not magnetic !) fields.

So the coil from the figure above will "ignore" what's going on in the standard transformer and "see" only the electric fields formed outside the core ?

I need something like this in order to find the right magnetic field (from permanent magnets) required for the core to have the Aharonov-Bohm effect manifesting and producing uncurled A potential outside of the core. Without this I have no way of knowing if the Aharonov-Bohm effect is actually manifesting or not in my experiment (the magnetic field from the permanent magnets could be too weak or too strong).

Do you think this could work as intended ? Any other ideas are more than welcome !


raivope posted this 12 July 2020


It is always worth to try (intuition tells you may not see much), but I would suggest (as according to Hector's teaching) to wrap coil(s) fully around the core to detect radiant pulses. You will see peaks on scope. When this happens have LC around the core to tap.


Fighter posted this 12 July 2020

Hi Raivope,

The idea is to have a coil (detector) which ignores what the classical transformer does. Wrapping this coil around the core will make it sense everything including the magnetic field pulsing in the core. I would like to avoid sensing the magnetic field inside the core. I just want to see only the electric field (not magnetic) forming around the core when the uncurled A potential is disturbed by the pulses coming from the primary. Maybe I didn't understood correctly your idea ?

Fighter posted this 12 July 2020

Hi Raivope,

Just a question, what do you mean when you talk about Hector's teaching ? Does the guy have a full name so I can search for him and for details about his method ?

Thanks !

Chris posted this 12 July 2020

Hey Fighter,

Regarding your question:

We all know how a transformer is made. What happens if we have a coil which is not around the core like this ?

Will it receive any voltage or current on it ?


This is a case of Coupling, if there is Flux that Couples the Coil you mention, to "Generate" a E.M.F or Voltage, because E.M.F is measured in Units of Volts, then a Current will Flow.

Normally, very little flux is outside the Core, but with Bucking Coils, we can have more Flux compared to normal, especially in loose coupled situations, E.G: Not Unity Coupled.

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friend,


raivope posted this 13 July 2020

Hi Fighter!

I meant - if you pulse one leg of the transformer you put sense circuit around both legs (mostly neutral). If the environment is activated (AB effect), it will shoot thru the entire core from some direction. Hector Perez Torres is the inventor of Transverter (TV, solid state) or Rotoverter (RV) who gave those public domain, was mostly active in EVGray forum. Also being RF expert his main point was that RE = RF = resonance and voltage/amperage nodes, proper impedance matching. Chris or someone has referred to the pdf that collects his teachings written by Dan Combine.

Chris posted this 13 July 2020

Hey Raviope,

Yes Hector and Dan are good works to study, but I must say, I would have to put Fighter well in advance of what they have shared to date! Fighters work and understanding is well in advance of all their works combined, sorry pun not intended!

Fighter, your ZPM is exactly right in all aspects, the machine works on the same basic principles, its just another method to get to the same state!

Focus on your existing results and broaden from there and you will find that there is a very large field ahead where currently Science and mainstream Scientists are well behind us!

@Raviope, its worth looking at Fighters experiments to further understand Fighters achievements, he has achieved XL = XC, his Machines are based on Magnetic Resonance.


Of course, Floyd Sweets Lab Notes are well worth studding! What is contained here is very important start!

Best wishes, stay safe and well My Friends,


Fighter posted this 16 July 2020

@Raivope thanks, it makes sense. I'll check for the pdf you mentioned.

@Chris thanks ! This is not a separate device, it's just a project I consider being part of ZPM enhancements stage. ZPM is still my main project and if this project is successful I will certainly find a way to integrate this A-B zero-point energy concentrator into ZPM.

Meanwhile as you know I was looking for a way to find out what's happening around this device while it's powered so I did some experiments (link to larger image here):

So I come up with a very simple but extremely helpful tool not only for this device but for all our devices.

I'm using a ferrite rod I have from a radio, a coil on it and 3 LEDs connected to the coil: two having the same polarity and one having opposite polarity. The red LED have higher voltage (12V) so it's less sensitive but can indicate the strength of the pulsing magnetic field. The other two white LEDs have lower voltage (4.5V, I have them from some Chinese lighters) so they're very sensitive and can indicate magnetic polarity. Also because the core of the coil is a ferrite rod it can indicate the direction of the pulsing magnetic field. I tested it within 50Hz - 100KHz range and it works.

So if around a device there is a pulsing magnetic the tool is able to show that magnetic field's strength, direction and polarity.

It also can be very useful to see if your device is spilling magnetic field in space like in my case where the coils I've made seems to be too powerful for this core (I'll need to rebuild them).

This is how I've built this tool (link to larger image here):

Here is indicating the magnetic North and South poles, for North indicating also the strength - the red LED:

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And here it shows how much magnetic field my current configuration is spilling into space, so I'm sure now the A-B effect is not present with this configuration, I'll definitively need to rebuild the coils (link to larger image here):

So if you need to check what's happening outside of your device a tool like this could be very useful, if you have questions about it please let me know.

Now the interesting part will be would be to have something similar to detect a electric field which should form around the core when the A-B field is present. I was thinking about a coil made using aluminum coil and air core, not sure if that would work as a electric field detector, I need to think more and make some research.

Both tools are required to find the correct configuration of coils and permanent magnet strength for the testing scenario.

Wistiti posted this 16 July 2020

Hey Fighter really good idea the tool you made!

Thank you for sharing it!

Fighter posted this 17 July 2020

Thank you Wistiti, please feel free to use the idea if you find this tool useful for you. It's simple but very effective.

Fighter posted this 31 July 2020

Sorry, I didn't progressed too much with this experiment, I dismantled the coils (because they were too strong for this core) but I didn't found time to build new coils. I allocated some time to my secondary project : GLED.

Fighter posted this 02 September 2021

I forgot to post the video with my experiment in this thread, sorry, I'm adding it here now:

Jagau posted this 05 September 2021

Hello fighter
could show me with a drawing how to make this little tester?

thank you

Fighter posted this 05 September 2021

Hello Jagau,

Sure, this is the schema of the tester:

The details can be found on my post above made on 16th July 2020.

For the coil I used 0.2 mm copper wire but I didn't counted the number of turns, I just used some wire left from other experiments.

Looking at the photo I took at that time could be a few hundreds of turns I guess (link to larger image here):

The "normal LED" (red color) is an 12V LED, the other two LEDs (while color) are more sensitive (I suppose they have very low voltage) and I took them from some Chinese lighters like this (link to larger image here):

And this is a photo of how the LEDs are connected inside the tester (in parallel) just the top white LED which indicates BEMF have inverted polarity than the other two LEDs (link to larger image here):

Before soldering the LEDs to the coil output you must test their polarity to make sure they are indicating correctly, meaning the top white LED is indicating BEMF (magnetic south pole) even if it's weak and the other two LEDs below it (red and white) are indicating EMF (magnetic north pole). The 12V red LED is actually indicating how powerful the pulsing N field is while the white LED below indicates just the presence of the pulsing N field even if it's weak. If it's a weak pulsing N field the red LED's light is weak too or even off.

I've made this process using the ZPM, knowing that on top of ZPM are two pulsing and opposing magnetic N fields and at the bottom of the ZPM are two pulsing and magnetic opposing S fields.

This is the description of the tool, if I didn't explained too well something please feel free to ask and I'll answer to your questions.




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