VTA-SQM research and replication, a builders club team project.

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Vidura posted this 07 March 2020

Hey Friends!
This thread is intented for a practical bench research on the principals of Floyd Sweets SQM-VTA device, keeping in mind the goal of replication. Maybe not exactly a copy of Floyd's device, but learning about the concepts and underlying principals for employing them in AU machines. There are some reasons to keep it in tier2, we know that this category is a quiet working zone for active builders, all here are welcome to join the project if you whish to do so. 

In a first step  i have carried out sone theoretical work regarding the electromagnetic induction, deflection of magnetic fields, and have started to assamble a test setup with some materials that I had avaliable at the moment.

Most of us already know this schematic, which I used as baseline for the test setup:

Considering the actual knowledge of electromagnetic induction, I choosed this model as physical layout:

Here the improvised built:

Here the results of a first test, with scopeshot:

I have made a short video with more information, that i will upload soon

Vidura

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Vidura posted this 07 March 2020

Here's the Video of the first testing, still partially assembled:

Vidura posted this 08 March 2020

Hey Friends,
after winding the second exciter coil I did some more tests with the setup, I used an H bridge to drive the coils. although the induced voltage increased to around 30 Vpp I was still not able to power a load. When I removed the magnets , the effect was virtually unchanged, so it is still not wat I was looking for. Also I want to state that my exciter coils have way too much impedance, I knew that b but the 0.2mm wire was the only that I had at hand in the needed length. Hopefully I can place an order soon to built a more convenient setup, the current capability is important as various transformer principals are involved.

More to come soon.

Vidura. 

Vidura posted this 17 March 2020

Hey Friends

today I have ordered copper wire of different gauges. It should arrive for the weekend, so I will be able to continue the testing about how the field of permanent magnets can be manipulated, and build more accurate coil replications for the VTA. Hopefully I can get some ferrite magnets also, there seems to be a important difference in the permeability of the material compared with the neo magnets.

Vidura.

Vidura posted this 02 May 2020

Hello Friends,
In this Post I will show you an experiment, in which we can observe a modulation of the magnetic field of a PM , using a inductor driven in ferroresonant oscillation. It must be understood that the current drawn from the power supply is much less in ferroresonance than in LCR resonance in a serial tank circuit. I want to give credit to Yoelmicro, he had success before me with a similar experiment, using a toroidal inductor in the nonlinear region. Maybe he wish to post his test also here.
Here is the video:

Here a drawing of the circuit:

Regards Vidura.

Jagau posted this 03 May 2020

Very interesting Vidura
thanks for sharing
the sound was very low
thank you

Jagau

Chris posted this 03 May 2020

Hey Vidura,

I agree with Jagau, very nice Demonstration!

This experiment reminds me of your Thread: Transformer Phase shifting

Thank You for sharing!

Best wishes,

   Chris

YoElMiCrO posted this 03 May 2020

Hello everyone.

Yes, it is the same experiment, I think it was the first to do it.
So the credit is from Jean Louis Naudin.
Just do it to see if it really is as I theorize the phenomenon to occur
and yes, its nature is more than proven.
I comment that no core is necessary, in the PM there are packages
external that have energy as Floid Sweet commented in his articles.

Here are some pictures of the current device with which I carry out tests.

The forms you see are made with a 3D printer that I own.

The energy comes neither from the ferromagnetic core nor from the PM itself.
In order to replicate the SQM of Floid Sweet it will be necessary modify
a property that owns the material used in the PM.
Thanks to Vidura for also replicating the experiment.

Thank you all in advance.

YoElMiCrO.

Vidura posted this 03 May 2020

Hey cd The half bridge is fed with square wave signal s, the tank circuit oscillating with distorted sine wave. Vidura

Vidura posted this 03 May 2020

Some more testing with the same setup of the former video:

Vidura

Chris posted this 04 May 2020

Hey Vidura,

Another excellent video My Friend! Thank You for Sharing!

If I may, your interest in the Floyd Sweet Work, he talked about Spin Flipping.

Electrons revolve about the nucleus of an atom and spin around their axis. In addition, the nucleus has a spin of its own. All of these moving charges have associated magnetic fields (magnetic moments), and magnetic resonance is concerned with the interactions of some of the fields with each other, and with at least two external magnetic fields applied to the atom.

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Consider the electron spin about its own axis. The derivation of the spin moment similar to the above produces and electron spin moment of two Bohr magnetons. Dirac’s relativistic quantum theory of the electron and many experiments give the correct value of one Bohr magneton, for which the spin quantum number of the electron is 1⁄2.

Just as a spinning top will precess in the intergalactic space field surrounding the earth, so will the magnetic moment vector of the electron precess in the magnetic field. The torque in the electron case being produced by the interactions of the dipole and the external field.

Equating the time rate of change of angular momentum to the torque on the dipole, one can derive the precessional frequency in complete analogy to the top’s behaviour. The precessional frequency can be derived from an energy standpoint and will give more insight.

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The magnetic moment is defined as positive or negative according to the condition of parallelism or antiparallelism, respectively.

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Electron spin resonance is a technique used in the lab for measuring this splitting using radio freq, technology—Fib. 1 (b) Since the nucleus carries a charge, its angular spin does produce a nuclear magnetic moment.

Ref: Magnetic Resonance - Floyd Sweet

 

There is a document, I am having trouble locating it, it talks about Materials being Saturated on multiple Axies.

The reason I am posting this information, is I think your Core has a Magnetisation in multiple Axies, one at right angles to the other, the Magnets aligning the Axis with the Coil, and if the Core is up close to Saturation, then the Core is maximising the Inductance, or the Electromagnetic Induction in the Coils.

Anyway, great work again! Thank You for sharing!

Best wishes,

   Chris

Vidura posted this 05 May 2020

Hey Chris,
Agreed, Currently I believe that there are some important missing parts of the puzzle which are related to the atom, it is not only about  the electron shells, that is only the half of the phenomenon. I have read a bit in the magnetic resonance topics, and in general terms I found that the part of the nucleus is mostly overlooked, or ignored, the proton has a magnetic spin opposed to the electron of the same magnitude.  Only in the normal state of the atom it is shielded or canceled  by the electron shells, but under certain parameters of an external magnetizing force the nucleus can be flipped perpendicular to the electron spin(or vice versa), and a second magnetic field of opposite spin would appear. Also in the process of charge splitting the positive charges might be related to the nuclei of atoms, although I am not sure if there is a physical movement of positive ion's in this case or  if it is a relativistic wave function. Many things to be discovered still...

Vidura.

Vidura posted this 08 May 2020

Hello Friends.
Using the same setup of the last videos I have played a bit more with some modifications. As my phone had no more memory avaliable , I didn't record a video, but here some more oservations: First i added a second outputcoil and connected parallel an serial to the LED's to check for an improvement changing the impedance, but the result was poorer than with the single coil. A short output coil seems to be more efective. Then I tried with two neo magnets, and the output increased a lot. It has to be remarked, that the frequency has to be adjusted at any change of the magnetic field strength or load impedance. That is the reason why Yoelmicro is using a PLL in his latest tests. Then I tried with two sets of different sized ceramic magnet pairs, varying distance and frequency adjustments, also I compared the two possible alignments of the coils ,which produced an output. 

The observations was as follows: the type or shape of the magnets was not important, all worked equal.

Without the magnets there was no power on the output coil, some voltage below the forward voltage of the LED's only.

The output was proportional to the magnetic field strength applied to the inductor, with the ceramic magnets sticking to the ferrite core reaching the maximum, the neo magnets had to be spaced at least 1 cm each side, to avoid oversaturation. 

The input power also is proporcional to the applied magnetic field strength.

The best output was achieved when the axis of the inductor coil was aligned with the axis of the output coil.

In this alignment the output frequency was equal to the input frequency(the doubling effect was not present)

In all configurations the output was only present when the core enters in non linear resonance, close  to or at saturation.

The maximum output was always when the switching was adjusted exactly at the peaks of the sinewave (longitudinal driven).

With te most efficient configurations the input power was 8.5 watts. On the output I have not yet exact measurement's, the voltage at the forward cycle on the led was over 40v, the two 10 w 33v Leds brightly lit, and a lot of heat in the  primary inductor, smelling like toasted varnish and plastic.

Conclusion: The method looks promising, although the effect seems to be closely related to the core of the primary inductor and it's non linear behaviour, maybe not exactly what Floyd Sweet in his coreless SQM (?) did. 

It is clear that the load do not directly reflect to the input, but it do increase the reactive power cycling in the primary tank circuit. That is why also the losses increases, but it should be possible to improve significantly by raising the Q-factor of the  LC tank.

In my setup the latter is worst, many turns with small gauge wire, therefore a lot of heat losses in the inductor. 

Thank you all for your participation,

Vidura.

 

YoElMiCrO posted this 08 May 2020

Hello everyone.

@Vidura.
Thanks for continuing with the experiments, this is how we all learn.
No, the Floyd Sweet device is not the same, we are only at its beginning.
He realized what we are currently observing and tied many ends
To achieve his SQM, it goes without saying that his studies were more than decisive.
I think I have seen a statement by Nikola Tesla that said ...
"Think about Energy and Vibration", if this approach is true, then
the one who knew how everything around us was from the first moment.
I say this because to understand Floyd Sweet and his SQM
It is necessary to understand the first approach, that of the old Nikola Tesla.
The most complex part is always to make a mathematical model that
link with the physical model, is the final stage of any observed phenomenon.

Thank you all in advance.

YoElMiCrO.

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