Building a Smith Generator

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sampojoe posted this 12 January 2018

I am starting work on building a Smith Generator.  Thanks to your work here, I am getting the role of Bucking Coils on the circuit.  I found this link for starters, a pdf that purports to tell you how to build one:  

projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=25399

I extracted another schematic and made it an attachment below.  What they do not mention anywhere in the document is that coil L2 most likely is a Bucking Coil, as you have most eloquently shown here!  I guess they do say it is a "Tesla Coil".  I guess that could be a Partnered Output Coil.  I have seen similar schematics on youtubes by kdkinen, where he shows his replication attempts seemingly at least generating OU.  His schematics I can clearly see the Partnered Output Coils.  So with this understanding I think I will attempt a replication.   It seems very simple.  You use a 30 ma NST to get thousands of volts.  The front of the the circuit as shown uses a small inverter driven by a 12v battery to get 120v AC, which is fed thru a variac to control the input voltage to the NST.  The final output is supposed to be up to 8000v @ ~20A DC, as the L1/L2 is 4:1 step-up!   Pretty astounding.

I am not going to use a battery to run an inverter to drive the system.  I will just initially plug my variac into the wall.  You do need a real sine wave input for this.

So the front of the circuit feeding L1 starting with the output of the NST is grounded at the center point tap of the NST.  The output of the NST is rectified to extract the starting HV and then reconverted to AC with a spark gap tuned with resistors and caps to the coil L1 for about 31.5 kHZ AC .

Here is a hand drawn schematic online and in the pdf : Hand Drawn Don Smith Schematic

I got a little excited about solving the performance issues of the L1 circuit and clicked the solved button thinking it just applied to the post by Marathonman showing how Tesla built such circuits. But no, it got applied to the entire trhead, and is apparently a big database issue to correct.  So please ignore the green solved check!

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Chris posted this 09 November 2021

My Friends,

I wish to make a public apology!

I have said on this forum and else where that Don Smith used 1/4 Wavelength. Don Smith himself said he used 1/4 Wavelength!

This information is not entirely correct, he used a Multiple of the 1/4 Wavelength, he used 1/16 Wavelength, thus the Turns Ratio: 4 : 16 or 1 : 4 = Input : Output.

1 : 4 Turns Ratio does not mean 1/4 Wavelength!

 

One has to think a little more broadly after listening to those videos! Don is not entirely clear!

Many here are more advanced that myself in this field, Please point out errors if you see any!

I try very hard to make sure everything is true and correct! I do still make errors in this uncharted path that lays infront of us! I am learning also and I have learnt an important lesson in this area in the last weeks.

My Friends, in my work to complete the theory, So I can more accurately predict these machines, I have learnt a lot, I am also still learning, so please bear with me in this Journey!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Ourbobby posted this 26 December 2020

Hi Sampole,

"SG HL schematic

I must admit, I have spent lots of time playing with this circuit! I recall reading a comment from I think Vladimir Utkin, maybe someone else, who stated that not many people understand what this diagram represents. Also, to work, that it had to be matched in complementary resonance to the output coils. I personally have found that this understanding is much more complex than the perceived simplicity of the circuit diagram. 

A key to generation of the negative electricity is accepting that a change in perception was necessary for myself. I have spent lots of time trying to replicate this circuit and many others that are similar in construction. In my haste, I believed the correct method was to build a better pulse generator! With which approach I destroyed lots of mosfets. I have changed my approach now due to a recent fortunate incident. I recall reading that the key to this whole exercise is gentle activation of the coils to excite their inherent resonance. With this too, I spent lots of time with pulse generators. The fortunate incident I am referring to is the excitation of the resonance. 

I was replicating some experiments that used a 12v audio amplifier and connected to a signal generator into coils. I was having problems with one of the connections to the amplifier, which in turn was connected to a variable dc supply, 0 to 24v. I disconnected the sig gen, and disconnected the connection. The set up was being monitored to the oscilloscope, which was still running. Whilst repairing the connecting plug, I noticed that the high frequency output on the scope! How could this be? There was no signal!! A closer look showed that the frequency on the scope was showing 33khz. And, the output was showing 20+ volts sign wave! Astounding, to be sure. I totally disconnected the sig gen from the circuit and the power source. Still no change. I turned off the variable power supply and the waveform disappeared from the screen of the scope!. I turned the power back on to the dc supply, and lo and behold, the wave form appeared again. What was happening?

I think it is fair to say that what I had discovered was that the DC potential applied to the coils, coupled to the inherent stray capacitance, created a "static" driver which enabled the resonant outcome. There might be a more detailed explanation, but, for the moment, I am happy to use this procedure. But what has this to do with the Don Smith Neon sign transformer and the above circuit? Well I have used a Flyback set up using a mazilli driver, which will give a similar outcome to the neon sign transformer. What I concluded was that Don was using the Sign wave output from the NST through to rectification and short term storage into the shown capacitor. This then produced a similar scenario to that of my DC outcome. In my latest post to my ourbobby thread, you will see what I believe to be the preferred sign wave scope screen shot  we are seeking to proceed through the process of negative energy generation. The scope shot is using the 2Kv voltage range.

 

I wish you well

 

ourbobby

baerndorfer posted this 09 November 2021

don smith talked about opposing coils. in his book he has a drawing where he said that the electron spins in two directions, clockwise and counter-clockwise. the opposing coil is producing this effect. you will get 'voltage' from one leg and 'current' from the other. spinning left causes the voltage(dielectric) - spinning right causes the current(magnetic).

i did many tests on this and found out that you can see the difference when you put energy from these legs into a sparkgap. the spark from the 'voltage-leg' is more 'smooth' and has a different color than the spark from the other leg which is more 'brutal' and louder. so the spark is different! when i store the energy from these 2 legs in different capacitors, then the energy from these caps behave different on the same load. which means more or less light on a bulp at the same voltage.

don smith is a hero!

regards!

Jagau posted this 10 November 2021

Hi Chris


You were right to say 1/4 wavelength you were correct.


The 1/16 of which you speak is a harmonic which recharges its battery which feeds his inverter not for his pricipal circuit,

it is that it is a harmonic and not the same frequency 1/4 on which work L1 and L2 there would be a problem if he would use the same one.


Jagau

Jagau posted this 03 May 2018

Hi chris

See the attached document from Utkin, more precisely page 62 it explains very well what is the use of the 2 diodes at the output of 2 coils in buck mode.They create switchable inductance.

And with Tx quarter-wave balanced coil (L1C1) at resonance and the 2 Rx coils (L2C2) cut in half wave at the output and with the meeting point of the 2 coils to the ground this creates a receiving antenna which has a node in quarter wave.

Thus maximum current at the central nodal point, and maximum of voltage at the ends.

I realized what that Utkin proposes and I believe for a good understanding of Don Smith's project we should all try it. I work in low voltage for now to understand the effects.

Jack

 

 

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sampojoe posted this 15 January 2018

I am moving a little slow on this project as I am finishing up a tesla style DC asymmetric motor first, another couple weeks.  It is a real beast with dual commutators eliminating stupid Edison motor Counter EMF.  I have added in some circuitry to try to reclaim all the energy that should be rattling around in those coils I am kind of excited about and have been working on it for many months off and on...  Its a pretty big motor.  These style motors run at nearly twice the RPM as the Edison style motors.

sampojoe posted this 16 January 2018

Roger that, reading and listening.  Planning a 3-5kw system with grid-tie capability.  Incredible that the system shown in your pic above, and spoken of in videos listed and covered in the pdf with build directions is supposed to be able to do 160KW, or 8000v at 20 amps!  Figuring components...

sampojoe posted this 27 February 2018

Found some bare 6ga and bare 12ga at Home depot for a few dollars.  Got a design for the L2 frame and L1 inner coil worked out.  Got some vinyl tubing that will be able to cover and insulate the L1 wire.  Got a design for the spark gap together and raw materials.  So time to start building.  Got most components up to the low voltage cap bank I want to use.  I figure I better be able to see some OU at the AC output without the final big investment of inverters and cap bank.

I have analyzed the question of the NST output diodes.  Since we have AC out at 35.7 kHz, I wondered if a full wave rectifier operation might work better.  I figured the spark gap alone was setting the frequency initially.  But what happens since I have established by Don Smith's words and my source document that the NST drives the circuit at its RF frequency, but some tuning of the circuit is still needed?  I will try to illustrate why.  I have drawn some signal curves I expect to see here.

Don Smith Tesla coil analysis

Looking at the NST voltage outputs, the solid curve represents the half wave rectification.  Lets just look at that first.  The NST in each increasing voltage cycle will pump charge into the C1, until the discharge voltage is reached for the spark gap.  In tuning the circuit, the C1 must be of the proper size and the NST run at the best voltage and the spark gap set at the right distance so that Vd is reached in the first 90 deg of the charge cycle.  Then the spark gap must discharge in the next 90 deg. of the cycle.  If a full wave rectified signal is used, represented by the first dashed curve on the positive side of the X-axis.  As the spark gap fires, current flows as the voltage drops  possibly to zero, as the plasma in the spark will lower the reisistance.  If there is the full wave rectification the continued voltage application may prolong the spark time, and it may continue over into the next charge cycle.  It could be almost continuous.  It is probably very important for it to go to zero and stay down for a good part of the quadrant.

Notice the sawtooth-like pattern that results coming out of the capacitor, with the spark having a typical decay pattern, I estimate.  It will be an oscillating DC signal, but the L2 coil will convert it to AC, moving the zero line up to the midpoint in the pattern, as it steps up the voltage and current hopefully.

I am thinking that Vd should be designed and must occur some time before Vd is reached on the downturn between 45 and 90 deg of the NST curver on top, first cycle.  If it does not discharge, the capacitor will have to be charged by a second pulse.  This will result in halving the frequency seen by L2.  I think power goes up with the square of the frequency so that of course is undesirable. 

If Vp is reached pretty close to the high voltage of the NST curve and the spark discharge is completed in the next 45 deg. of the cycle as the NST voltage goes to zero (spark must stop immediately at 0, clearing out plasma, and resistance jump back to Megaohms level), then use of full wave rectification might allow doubling the frequency!

Jagau posted this 22 March 2018

HI

20 years later 2 universities (from italy and russia) have redone the Meyl experience, with components that can be easily found. It is quite simple to realize and very informative, it is very surprising to see the two leds connected antiparallel on and to be able to check the gains in current and voltage.

If you want to build it see attached file.

Jack

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Solhi posted this 09 December 2020

Dear ppl. I'm pretty new to this business, besides starting many years ago casting half an eye to Nikola Tesla's works. I started a few month ago to look more serious at it in my spare time. Had some idea of "picking" energy out of the air. All those machines and other complicated stuff did not attract me, since the concept is simple, so the solution should be too. I got hold of the excellent work of Patrick Kelly giving a splendid oversight of what is going on in this field. Soon I landed on Don Smith's work because that envisioned my view. Soon it became clear to me that it's all in the coils, RF, resonance and standing waves. One claim from Patrick caught my attention, coils in the quarter wave or actually whatever wave, creates its own frequency and standing waves gives the ultimate power. After acknowledging this I was surprised to see all the work which is done on capacitors, sparc gaps, diodes and the following shifts from AC to DC and back again. If the claims of the coils (it's all in the coils) is true, than all this should be unnecessary. Well, I still have to wind a single coil and do any experiment, so time will tell. I only found confirmation of my theory in the posts of Chris (regarding the importance of coils). Today I finish my electric fence, then I start to make my coil machine. The coils will differ from the mean, but that is because I'm lazy, making coils that meet the ever changing demand for wire length is to challenging for me doing it the traditional way. I'm surprised to see the seemingly sudden death of this topic / thread, what happened?

Chris posted this 09 December 2020

Hello and welcome Solhi,

Yes, you are on the right track! As Steven Mark also tells us:

 

There is Nothing Complicated! Many threads here on this forum explain everything that is needed!

If I may suggest, Replication of my experiment: Chris's Non-inductive Coil Experiment, will be the fastest path to success.

A great many here, have working machines! All at different stages, so please beware of the great Experience here and use it to your advantage.

Best Wishes,

   Chris

Blueheron posted this 27 March 2022

the system Grandpa Smith designed was pure genius as always. The 12 volt 7ah battery is necessary as is the inverter and the dimmer for the NST (or powerstat) and kickback diodes. This is a required current limiting step and without this there is no way to reliably limit the amps pulled from the battery. Also Don only used the NST for 100 volts. 100 volts injected onto L1 then inductively coupled to the 16 turns both ways gives you 8,000 volts. You always have more volts than you need.There is magick in the B+W coils. Do some research on their composition or shall I say Don's coil composition. I hope you are way further by now. Ignore the part of that posted schematic that has the full wave bridge. Just go with the Full Wave centertap that is shown. go right to 4 2,000 volt 2uf capacitors in series giving you 8,000 volts at 8uf.

sampojoe posted this 12 January 2018

I am starting to line up parts, figuring out the coil build...  If anyone knows anything about this comment would be appreciated.  

wow Chris, thanks, so much info so fast!  Yes I can't help thinking of the L2 as 2 separate coils also. After all I cannot see something being called one coil when it is wound clockwise for half of it and then reversed to counter-clockwise for the second half!

Regarding your first video snippet, I had watched that on youtube before somewhere, and I thought Don was being somewhat deceptive about it being "one coil with the center cut out".  That would imply both parts would be wound in the same direction, while the essential feature of bucking coils are 1/2 CW and the other wound CCW.  After all I think he would've wanted to protect some secrets so he has a chance of making some money and a living off it ;-)

Chris posted this 12 January 2018

Hey Sampojoe, Agreed. Thanks for the link.

I have reason to believe, and I may be wrong here, but I believe it may be possible that the Parallel Resonant Cap on half of L2, might possibly be a Harmonic of the Primary Resonant Frequency, maybe the second Harmonic.

Don Smith might have been good at drawing Circuits, but he most definitely knew most of the technical aspects about Coils, LC Tanks and Wavelength Theory.

I have said before, and as you already know, some of these devices need to be Grounded, to Earth, and not Negative as such.

   Chris

sampojoe posted this 12 January 2018

In the youtube "don smith seminar on how to make it"  at the 24m mark you can see he holds up PN NPS 12010, which I believe is 120v at 10kv.   I ordered this at ebay, 10000V-10KV-30mA-Neon-Electronic-Transformer-Power-Supply-Rectifier-50Hz-60Hz.  I assume since it says its rectified, its DC output, which will save the diodes & rectification on the spark gap side of the circuit I do believe.

sampojoe posted this 12 January 2018

So that would coincide with the 1/4 ratio/wavelength, making it a factor of 4 harmonic?

sampojoe posted this 15 January 2018

In the YT video I mentioned above, "Don Smith Seminar How to make it" Don is interviewed for about an hour and discusses many things.  I am sure it is in one of your videos Chris, and there is that wonderful Don Smith YT Channel you've found too.  At the 37m mark, Donspecifically stated that the circuit does not have to be tuned or run at a resonant frequency.  He said that the NST is pumping the L1 circuit as the driver and provides what the circuit needs.  I am parapharsing from memory here.  So I would say the circuit should be built to operate near what the spark gap would provide if tuned, something in the RF range, but is not the critical factor to have resonance, and be perfectly tuned.  So clearly what may be important would be the jagged waveform generated by the sparkgap, the high voltage, the step-up to even higher voltage and the Bucking coils to rip open the zero point energy field.  I am eager to put an O-scope on it when I get something going.

Chris posted this 20 January 2018

There has been some confusion and as a result some disagreement about recent posts on this thread.

Accurate, indepth study of the basic principles of Energy "Generation" will clear up any and all confusion. One must be willing an able to take fundamental Facts and move forward.

The Right Hand Grip Rule is an important method of interpretation.

 

Which interprets directly to:

Which is exactly what Don Smith has already told us in His Book: "Resonant Energy Systems":

 

Observing the Arrows Don Smith indicated also gives a very clear and definite indication of the Fields associated in his Coils.

Fundamental Fact: Lenz's Law is Equal and Opposite, Lenz's Law is the Direction of Energy that is "Generated" in regards to its Source.

FYI, in 2014 I posted this image

 

At the time, none understood its importance, none investigated. Why?

What happens when the Input gets switched off?

Please people, observe the fundamental facts, do not let anything get in the way of Facts! For they are our only real Tool other than Truth!

   Chris 

Chris posted this 04 March 2018

 

@All following - I want to express importance in my statement:

Don Smith was 100% correct in everything he told you in his videos! Everything I can personally attest to being correct!

 

From time to time he may not have been clear, but always he clarifies, perhaps in another video. If one takes the time to take and note important bits of information, or quotes there are many critical very important Quotes:

 

The Magnetic System that is driving it, it has to be equal and opposite, that's your Lenz's Law, equal and opposite. So that means that, your, one of those is your Magnetic Field and the other is your Electrical Field. And the Magnetic Field is Amps.

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No&t=19m1s

 

The Ratio is 1: 5, so not only do you get the L1 and L2 gain you get 5 times that. ... Well ah, the L1 wire should be an even division of the what ever the length of L2 is. That way they're able to talk to each other, the Frequency, if you worry about the frequency, don't worry about that, just build the thing so it looks nice, and ah make ah, an even division, even multiple or even division of the lengths or the wire that you want to talk to each other, and they will be talking to each other!

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No?t=20m5s 

 

Q: The device right beside the caps, is that a spark arrester? PB: The device right beside the caps... A: Ah, a lot of your electronic devices have things which control the voltage, you know like spark gaps, that is a radio frequency spark gap, its used for lightning arresters on computers and things that are sensitive to Voltage so if Lightning hits, anything over a certain amount will go to ground, so that's the ground post on that high voltage thing there (Neon Tube Transformer), so im, ah, grounding it back into itself.  When its running, that flashes, you see the flashes in it, ah, all the time.

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No&t=30m41s

 

That wont make sense to anyone who thinks like a electrical system you have to think in terms of Magnetic Flux, because if you're using Electrical Flux everything is dying a heat death, and you loose the energy almost immediately, in Electrical Flux, but in Magnetic Flux you can make as many copies of the original as you want without  depleting the original at all. So if you're chasing Electrical Flux you're chasing the wrong rabbit, you need to be chasing the Magnetic Resonance Flux!

Don Smith - /watch?v=tASY07r9AD0&t=18m10s

 

In a closed system, and you're boxed in Ohms law works, but if get over, and that's on he electrical side, but when you move over onto the counter part of it, the Magnetic side, none of those laws apply. Its a whole different system and most of the critical information is missing, intentionally. So, In effect what you have, on the Magnetic side, you can make as many copies as you want without depleting the source.

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No&t=44m07s

 

The Generator is not generating energy at all, its actually disturbing the ambient background, and its collecting the energy out of it. Now all of these devices are doing the same thing except they are doing it with radio type devices.

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No&t=35m43s

 

This is your L2 system, but its a double one, setup so that the Amps and Volts and everything are in there in the proper order.  This one I built in 1994.

Don Smith - /watch?v=W7GHqw7d1No&t=26m34s

 

There is Logic here, Don Smith gives you 100% correct information! I can attest to all this being true and correct from my work! 

   Chris

Jagau posted this 05 March 2018

Hi Sampojoe,

great works i follow you with interest, i am working on same Don Smith project as you.

Very interesting. I would like to share with you my progress.

Jagau posted this 06 March 2018

As Chris said it is better to understand with small voltages and increase thereafter to better understand how it works. I begin to understand what is happening in this little coil that is called L1.

I built L1 and with a calculator found the ideal capacitor for L1 to be resonant. Without using a spark gap, connect my function generator to this LC combination. I easily found the resonance frequency of my LC tank and with the help of my oscilloscope I could verify the accuracy of the result.

We all know that the parallel LC tank is like an open switch when we reach the resonance frequency. By placing a small lamp in series and with my function generator actually visualize that the filament of the small lamp was barely visible. There is a bit of loss in the cables and the extensions and rarely reaches perfection.

These are my first observations, soon afterwards.

Chris posted this 06 March 2018

Jagau, this is excellent advice!

Be safe, work with small Voltages first, study very simple Coil Interactions, Currents especially, Voltages will come later. Study, Current is the Magnetic Field, one is analogous to the other, and see what Don Smith was saying:

So if you're chasing Electrical Flux you're chasing the wrong rabbit, you need to be chasing the Magnetic Resonance Flux!

See above Quotes.

This exact same principle is seen in The Mr Preva Experiment, the reason I have pushed this experiment so strongly. Once one properly understands this experiment, one is very close to the next step: I = V / R - Ohms Law is very real and accurate for Electrical Currents and Voltage, and making this connection is the next step! 

Don Smith used Diodes, on his output and also on his Input. The Diodes serve multiple purposes!

  • Protection.
  • Half Wave Rectification - ( Important to understand ).
  • Timing of Half Wave Rectification .

Half Wave Rectification:

You need from Tesla only one half wave. Otherwise Tesla will take what she gave, back !!!

Ruslan Kulabuhov - Quote

 

Your Input Magnetic Field must not be subject to Lenz's Law Criteria, thus Timing. "What goes Up, must come Down"

Timing is something I saw many years ago, but it did take me some time to understand... There are a lot of pit falls or traps for people, its only dedication that gives the steps to climb from these traps. Most would give up.

Two methods I know of to Time a System:

  • DC Switching.
  • AC 1/4 Wave Resonance - This I still find Tricky!

DC Switching is extremely easy, small $14 Microcontrollers can be extremely powerful when working with DC Switching techniques. I have already shown some of my work here: Reliable and Flexible Switching System a continuation of a thread I started, April 25, 2014, Reliable and Flexible Switching System

AC is a little trickier, theory here is a little vaguer and many would argue its validity. By using 1/4 Wavelength's or similar, its possible to bring on Magnetic Resonance in the Output Coils without the input being affected, simply this is a timed response from the drawing of Current at 1/4 Wavelength. 

Don Smith and many others point out the Importance of 1/4 Wavelength's.

To all reading, we here at AboveUnity.com, are only steps away from changing the world forever, but we must do it together, or like history has shown, it will never happen!

I urge you, create your own Thread in the Replication Section, by replicating and showing your progress, and thus your understanding of these very important interactions, we can see when the right time is to move to the next step!

   Chris

Jagau posted this 11 March 2018

Hi Sampojoe

Sorry, I could not answer you these days. About your question

I have a question about the quarter wave antennas used by the Don Smith Generator. Given that the frequency of the operation is 35.1kHz, the period is 28.49 microseconds (us). So in that time, the signal will travel 2135.3m, and q quarter wavelength is 533.8m.

 

 

I do not understand why all those who want to don smith system uses the frequency of the NST to do their coil, yet he says it in several places in his 40 page book I quote it to you at the moment (IN MY SYSTEM WORKING TO 220 MHZ )

Everyone want to make a L1 at 35.1khz, unfeasible!

In the section of Replication I will do an experiment with you if you are interested and you will be surprised of the result, I need a little time to explain it, I am not a good teacher but I'm going try.

jagau

Jagau posted this 21 March 2018

Hi Bob

Indeed a good grounding makes all the difference. I'm not talking about the ground all we have in our home power outle tbut from an 8 foot ground rod inserted into the ground in the back yard, this makes the difference.

In recent days I have not done much forums, I have successfully realized the experience of Dr. Konstantin Meyl that strangely resembles that of Don Smith and Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.

I reached with this experience more at the ouput than at the input, the most ably in this experience is thatit can be done in low voltage to study the smith donation system without burning your fingers and achieve a very interesting goal.

Indeed a good grounding has made all the difference, proof to support!

Jack

 

Chris posted this 02 May 2018

@Sampojoe,

In an LC resonant Circuit, with a Spark Gap, and knowing the average Spark duration is around the nano second range normally, and the Coil with the least resistance would see the largest discharge Current, would you say that it would be fair to estimate the current something like the following:

This very short, sharp pulse, Spark Discharge, a change in Magnetic Field, would do what to the output Coils?

   Chris

 

P.S: For the record, again, I still recommend learning this tech at high voltage is not a good idea, I don't recommend this. Low Voltages is a much batter idea. Experiment at your own risk.

Chris posted this 03 May 2018

 

 

 

Do we have any further perspective on the Diodes?

Why does Don Smith use Diodes on his Output Coils:

 

When the Diodes Conduct, and Current flows, what does this create?

 

   Chris

AHargis75 posted this 21 June 2018

Im not sure if this has been mentioned but the Barker and Williamson coils have been tin dipped he said, when you coat a wire with tin it increased is magnetic field by like 300%. thats all. 

Zed Varnett posted this 30 June 2018

Hello Chris,

I'm the owner of energyevo.com (you might have seen collection of Don's Yahoo Group posts there before =)

First of all, I want to thank you for your dedication and contribution to this field of new energy technologies. Seeing these 4 new Don Smith videos is like a miracle, thanks so much for releasing them! I knew these VHS tapes existed but for some reason no one ever talked about them Your decision to share them is very much appreciated!

I guess you've already seen this audio recording of 2003 Inventor's Weekend conference that was also missing on the net for some reason

Regarding the 1994 Tesla conference, any chance you could upload an original (uncut) version to some file sharing website? including all the guff...

Keep up the great work and thanks again!

Chris posted this 30 June 2018

Hi and welcome Zed Varnett,

Our member MrBlobby actually put me on to these videos so we should thank him for his offers and sharing!

Copyright is something I agree with for new products, for products with any age I completely dissagree with, however, I am just a single man not able to change the rules.

We have a awesome bunch of people here, feel free to ask questions, create hreads as you wish. We have no Trolls here and we are very prous of our Troll Free Zone!

   Chris

 

P.S: I use YDownloader for YouTube Videos.  A fantastic Free product that never fails. This person needs a pat on the back!

This will allow you to download the below video and more.

sampojoe posted this 02 July 2018

RE: Vidura, thanks as I hopefully will be trying to dissect your recommendations on a working circuit soon.  

Making some progress on the L2 construction.
The lower former is ~1/2" smaller

Slipping the coil over the frame
The CW coil completed CCW frame ready to go    

I've added a couple extra turns as I will connect where resonance is found, and did not want to be short.

sampojoe posted this 06 March 2019

Thinking about my DS proj. again.  If someone knows how to use an LED or neon bulb to find tuning points on the L3 coil, as Don alludes to in his videos, I could use pointers.  I may start out with L2 not being fully inserted and at a distance so that L3 will receive low energy.  Then I will try touching a grounded LED or bulb along the coil.  I am thinking about the voltage divider approach, thank you Mr Blobby, also.  I had some confusion on connection points and the functioning of various diodes.  I think the above picture helps me. 

Solhi posted this 10 January 2021

Let me start to wish everybody a good new year and hope we manage to halt the " great reset" and the rest of the Covid hoax insanity. That said besides some brain working I have unfortunately not had the time to do anything with this project since my last visit. Initially I thought I had to build some signal generator like a 555, but I wanted it simpler, eliminating it totally. Having had a look at some frequency filters it occurred to me it could be as simple as that. So THANK you @ourbobby, you just confirmed my anticipation and a quick test in a simulator also seems to confirm this. A DC source straight to the L1 with after that a capacitor crossed over the leads should produce enough pulses to activate the L1 to self resonance. Hope soon to build my first coils to test this.

Edit: the cap should be in serial with the L1. Sorry for the confusion.

Blueheron posted this 27 March 2022

I am starting work on building a Smith Generator.  Thanks to your work here, I am getting the role of Bucking Coils on the circuit.  I found this link for starters, a pdf that purports to tell you how to build one:  

projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=25399

I extracted another schematic and made it an attachment below.  What they do not mention anywhere in the document is that coil L2 most likely is a Bucking Coil, as you have most eloquently shown here!  I guess they do say it is a "Tesla Coil".  I guess that could be a Partnered Output Coil.  I have seen similar schematics on youtubes by kdkinen, where he shows his replication attempts seemingly at least generating OU.  His schematics I can clearly see the Partnered Output Coils.  So with this understanding I think I will attempt a replication.   It seems very simple.  You use a 30 ma NST to get thousands of volts.  The front of the the circuit as shown uses a small inverter driven by a 12v battery to get 120v AC, which is fed thru a variac to control the input voltage to the NST.  The final output is supposed to be up to 8000v @ ~20A DC, as the L1/L2 is 4:1 step-up!   Pretty astounding.

I am not going to use a battery to run an inverter to drive the system.  I will just initially plug my variac into the wall.  You do need a real sine wave input for this.

So the front of the circuit feeding L1 starting with the output of the NST is grounded at the center point tap of the NST.  The output of the NST is rectified to extract the starting HV and then reconverted to AC with a spark gap tuned with resistors and caps to the coil L1 for about 31.5 kHZ AC .

Here is a hand drawn schematic online and in the pdf : Hand Drawn Don Smith Schematic

I got a little excited about solving the performance issues of the L1 circuit and clicked the solved button thinking it just applied to the post by Marathonman showing how Tesla built such circuits. But no, it got applied to the entire trhead, and is apparently a big database issue to correct.  So please ignore the green solved check!

electrondiger posted this 15 October 2022

Hy

wow i realy didnt know that Don smith Device is under replication atempt. Realy nice.

If i can ask, ( it is realy stupid question perhaps), but i have realy pain in the  ass with it for several years. If you look that coil of Don there are some  sort of strips to hold turns together. Where can you get those or how you can make it. i will not go in detail what i have tryed alredy. If somone has some sort of ideas woud be realy an eye opener. I didnt find them on the web.

Coils are from B&W

If i understand corectly, coils have dimensions spacing ( i think that D/space betwen turns=0.6 best) and so on. Dons are D/space =1. If i understand corectly best coil lenghts is 0.8 of its diameter becose of eletric properties, but Dons is longer. I read somwhere that lenght give you voltage, diameter give you amperage. Coils are grounded in the midle so maximum voltage is at its ends. And if i corectly remember you need to find node in the midle with the neon bulb and make ground conectinon directly in the node. So dont buy wire for winding motors. Buy isolation wire and strip it. L2 is from 2 parts this is thrue. L1 must be multistrand wire, why. Low R and so on. When you kik you kik hard.

 

em,... i think that HVM - high voltage module or neon transformer in this device was tempered with. There was lots of talk about this on forums. If you choose neon transformer there is a problem with frequency. It is only 50 Hz. So you are left to the stuf down the line ( elements afect your frequency). If you buy eletric neon transfomer or HVM from american company Ventex, you will noticed that they havee difrent models. But company murged with other company. If you call theirs rep they will told you cant buy Don Smith HVM eny more. They dont prduce it eny more. If you have fix frequency in HVM they frequency is inposed on elements down the line. ( i didnt mesure this ). 

Spark will not fire when you conect coil  you need to modifiy it this was also "the problem". And high frequency diodes with high amp are pricey. High voltage capacitor too, so dont go over 20Kv.

I think that in scheme there is only half the circuit, and that somthing is in last transformer too, how it is made. There shoud flow another kind of curent in there. This curent in primary gives rise to ordinary curent in secondary. This is the reason why you need big wire on secondary but you can have  smal diameter wire in primary. There was talk that diodes was turn bakwards too. One pole( +,-) of electricity you must push to ground so you get  another pol (+,-) on the winding of primary on last transformer. And this will realy run your secondary and your load.

What i have writen here is from reading from all directions over the internet. If it helps ok if it dont please delete.

One more thing. Don said that he god some caps from compenies only on big orthers. This is not true. Soome original stuf from pictures was bought from ordinary suply stores. Parts witch are produce in large quantities and are on sale everywere. But is thrue Dubuise company. You can orther caps in this company they do custom orther for inventors. And if i read this wright some years back, you can get fre samples.

Perhaps .. ok. If i lok at tesla coil and what Tesla did. I think that he took induction law and use it brutaly with capacitors. So. Dc curent from dinamo over the spark gap and soo on. Dc high tension in capacitor. This is Voltage i think. Over the spark gap. Caps discharge realy quicly you need multistrand wire for this and as smal number of turns. There are pictures of one turn on tesla transformers.  Look it up. Em,.. and no curent overt the gap.  Magnetic quenching and air quenching, series spark gaps and so on. I think Tesla wonted to play with energy not electrons. Becose ... ( this is wierd one),... electrons dont exist if you read some books. Then was a fight  about electron, some founders of electricity said that if you think there is an electron you are stupid or delusunal. And electron dont travel fast they are realy slow. Energy travel fast, rely fast. I think tesla try to separete electrons from energy and play with energy. Electron exist in modern science. Thompson and so on.... . I know dont kill me. They made a picture of it. But electron is some sort of braking mechanisem from space energy when starts to brake down to lower velocities and material world. And if you reed some books they say that material word particles are yumping from conterspace to this space so fast you cant see them.  huh,... if you look some exsperiments from water. You will found that tehre are exsperiments in water with cavitation witchproduce metal particles. They made ingot from them. I am not smart yust saying it is wierd stuf when you go some steps to rabit hole.

( Chris if there is some stupid stuf in this post yust delet it)

Have fun.

Chris posted this 12 January 2018

Hi Sampojoe - This is awesome!

If I may, Don Smith made many videos, but very little actual news coverage, very little anywhere except for the videos.

However, the videos contain really good and very accurate information. Careful counting of the turns, there is a 1 to 4 ratio. This is a common theme in these devices.

My main and best snippet id:

 

The Coil Don marks as L2, is actually 2 Coils. I have fount it much easier to think of them this way.

 

 If one treats each Coil Separately, then one can also measure the Current in each Coil and ensure that the Currents are opposing. By Measuring the Currents, one can view direct improvements. But be careful, High Voltage and Current can damage equipment very quickly!

Don Smith was a big believer in the One Quarter Wavelength principle:

One Half Wavelength:

 

One Quarter Wavelength:

 

I also have seen the same importance, and its also been pointed out by many others before:

Resonance frequencies may be maintained quite constant at high power levels so long as the load remains constant. We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.


 However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power.

Floyd "Sparky" Sweet - Magnetic Resonance

I have said it before, I am still learning, I will always be a student of Life, I do not have all the answers, but I have seen this importance before. When the right Resonance is achieved, the Coils Magnetic Fields Oppose, the Currents are 180 Degrees out of phase, and excess Power is the "Generated" by the Laws of Electromagnetic Induction. Another of my favorite Videos:

 

I know you have great knowledge in these areas, and much of what I have said is most likely obvious to you, but wanted to try to help.

Don Smith did write one of the pdf documents, I have a copy here: Don Smith

Thank You for your post, please keep us updated!

   Chris

 

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Chris posted this 12 January 2018

Hey Sampojoe,

Possibly the 4th harmonic, but this would not give us a very good Current Phase relationship in the two Coils marked as L2.

I believe, possibly the 2nd harmonic, may be better because at the sine at 1/4 wavelength on the second harmonic is a forced function of the wavelengths interactions together, for example, they would be opposite at 1/4 wavelength when in resonance.

This way, as long as the system is in Resonance, the Coil L2 would have opposite phase no matter what, Q would go sky high.

Been a long hot day, am tired so hope this is readable and make a little sense at least?

   Chris

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Chris posted this 15 January 2018

I am sure it is in one of your videos Chris, and there is that wonderful Don Smith YT Channel you've found too.  At the 37m mark, Donspecifically stated that the circuit does not have to be tuned or run at a resonant frequency.

Hey Sampojoe, re the bit about resonance above, if I may suggest, stay reserved on this. I think this is very important, all my experiments show a Resonance is best. Don Smiths book is titled: "Resonant Energy Systems", so it might be an idea to stay very reserved on this.

Only trying to help, don't want to shut doors before you get to them.

   Chris

 

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Chris posted this 18 January 2018

In the below video, watching and listening carefully to what Don is saying when he wraps the Looped Cable around his arm, he describes what we have covered for years also:

 

   Chris

 

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sampojoe posted this 18 January 2018

Yes I am planning exactly the early unit. I really want to build something a little less lethal, say 3-5KW, not 160KW capable.  I saw him describe a 2KW system for a vending machine & refrigeration unit in Japan.  I am thinking the capacitor bank just needs downsized a bit.  

Concerning the last video posted, I am fairly sure it is the earlier device, identical to the picture posted here, which he started explaining at about the 30m mark.  He is just isolating the L1 at 37m.  

Since I am confusing things with my questions in the previous post, let me ask simply to make sure we understand things, 

Would you agree that the L2 of his early system is a Bucking Coil?

I have found another description of a build on-line for a 2kw system.  I have tried to clean it up with some additional explanations I have added.  It has a nice parts list and explains power transmission on the L2 nicely, but it looks like the 160kw early system.  I am going to try to attach it and my original document also for readers.

I want to make this a grid-tie system.  So the question is how to get from ~8000vdc to 12-48vdc.  I am thinking I should not rectify it, but maybe step down the AC voltage first with a transformer, just keep stepping it down until I get it within range for a particular grid-tie inverter.  

Chris, do you think I could insert a step-down operation without breaking the circuit? or maybe not going 4:1 but maybe 3:1, after all I only want 3-5KW.

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Chris posted this 18 January 2018

Yes I am planning exactly the early unit. I really want to build something a little less lethal, say 3-5KW, not 160KW capable.  I saw him describe a 2KW system for a vending machine & refrigeration unit in Japan.  I am thinking the capacitor bank just needs downsized a bit.  

Concerning the last video posted, I am fairly sure it is the earlier device, identical to the picture posted here, which he started explaining at about the 30m mark.  He is just isolating the L1 at 37m.  

WOW, if I may suggest: "Little Steps for Little Feet" Start at the start and work forward. Compare what we have talked about already, learn what the requirements are, study, first. 

 

Since I am confusing things with my questions in the previous post, let me ask simply to make sure we understand things, 

Would you agree that the L2 of his early system is a Bucking Coil?

I am a firm believer in hard facts. Perhaps the following snippet, applying the Right Hand Grip Rule, will answer:

 

I also think the last video I posted, with the Looped Cord, wrapped around Don's arm answers this question. Don does say several times, mentions "Generators" and how the Fields oppose.

 

I have found another description of a build on-line for a 2kw system.  I have tried to clean it up with some additional explanations I have added.  It has a nice parts list and explains power transmission on the L2 nicely, but it looks like the 160kw early system.  I am going to try to attach it and my original document also for readers.

I want to make this a grid-tie system.  So the question is how to get from ~8000vdc to 12-48vdc.  I am thinking I should not rectify it, but maybe step down the AC voltage first with a transformer, just keep stepping it down until I get it within range for a particular grid-tie inverter.  

I would stick to the known facts, not diverge at all, go with what you know to be true.

Then apply known laws of Electromagnetic Induction and expand that just a little.

Chris, do you think I could insert a step-down operation without breaking the circuit? or maybe not going 4:1 but maybe 3:1, after all I only want 3-5KW.

Again, I would not change a thing. Keep everything the same. Throw a bunch of incandescent Bulbs on the end like in the Videos.

I was late to the table with Don Smith. I did not intensely study until well after all my research with Floyd Sweet. I spent a long time proving things wrong, chasing red hearings, and in the end spending a lot of money where I did not need to.

What happened to me? Over night I evolved. It clicked, my small, basic very simple experiments paid off. I learnt about Electromagnetic Induction, carrying a Magnet and Coil around all the time while in the Lab, the coil was always short circuited, and always the coil would expel the Magnet, always appearing to be a greater Magnetic Field from the Coil than from the Magnet. But why?

Time Rate of Change.

Don Smith is spot on! On occasion he may not give the best information, perhaps he did not like the other person. But Don's basic layout and how it all works is spot on! We have proof, we can experiment on the bench and prove what he says to be true. It may not always be easy, but it does work as stated. The Mr Preva Experiment proves what Don says to be true, Floyd Sweet proves Don to be true.

Primary, 4 Turns, Secondary 17 Turns, then Centre Tapped, and Tertiary another 17 Turns, the Tertiary opposes the Secondary, the Secondary Opposes the Primary and the Tertiary assists the Primary, so: 1 + -1 + 1 = 1

What's the End Goal:

  • Amplify Voltage
  • Amplify Current

We do know how to do it, the very simple steps are laid out. Its just a case of following the guide. Lay out the Plan and stick to it.

   Chris

 

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sampojoe posted this 26 January 2018

I have started a blog to post images from.  Here is the high level schematic of the generator from the Project Avalon Construction Guide.  SG HL schematicI would like to focus on the Neon Tube Driver.  In Don's instruction videos about building this system, he uses a model NST 12010.  I believe it is  a 120VAC input, 10KVDC output.  I believe any Neon Sign Transformer NST) will work of similar specs.  You could probably use a lower value, as the out-put of the step-up Tesla coil to the capacitor bank is 8KV.  To avoid overdriving them, the variac must operate the NST at a fraction of the voltage.  I have ordered an NST of the 10KV design, and it appears to have a rectified output already.  I can't seem to find anywhere that they bother to explain it, assuming that we all know how exactly neon signs work, if we are buying a replacement ;-)  If DC as I suspect, what are the pair of diodes doing on the output side?  I think I heard in a Don Smith video or it may be in the Project Avalon document that they may be needed to catch and stop flyback voltages associated with the spark gap operation on the L1 coil.  If anyone can confirm that the NST's output is DC, I would appreciate it.

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sampojoe posted this 26 January 2018

Here is the well-known picture of the Early Smith Generator which has all major components enumerated. Component 1 is a 12v inverter Don used to prove he could output way more power the available by the small 12v battery used to run the system.  I intend to eliminate that and just plug the variac into mains 110vac.  2 is the variac.

Early Smith Generator w/numbered parts

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Chris posted this 26 January 2018

I believe this is fairly close:

 

 

   Chris

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sampojoe posted this 27 January 2018

Concerrning component 6 in the above photo of the DS generator,I believe they are the diodes on the NST output lines.  The designations can't be read but they do have a line on one side like a diode of that type of body should.  They are on the schematics.  If the diodes are catching flyback voltages, you can't go wrong using them in the circuit, as flyback voltages can get high also and might prevent NST burn-out. I think the NST puts out rectified voltages.  If it were AC, usually a bridge rectifier would be used to get all the energy,  and having 2 lines would be unusual.  I would assume that both as DC, its just combining for power distribution.

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Marathonman posted this 30 January 2018

Well look what i have sitting in my closet collecting dust.

 

Marathonman

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Chris posted this 09 February 2018

Hey Sampojoe - Another great post.

Don said on many occasions he calculated the Coils/Lengths of wire and got it spot on for the Frequency.

I have been stuck on these calculations for  along time. I am aware of much Antenna Theory, RLC Resonance with Damping Factor, many other equations also, but I am still short of being able to get the figures required.

Have you done any Calculations to try to work out the factors required?

   Chris

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Chris posted this 10 February 2018

I have done a lot of calculations in an attempt to further understand, or try to understand the theory.

Dons machine I was late to the party on, did not study much till only a few years ago. I had read and did now but I was concentrating on the VTA.

Don Smith's Coils: using 2 Pi r N

L1:

  • Length: 95.75 CM - not including Lead Length.
  • Calculated Inductance: 2.85 Microhenryies, approximately, however LCR Resonant Inductance is 102.5 Microhenries approx:
    • Resistance: 22.67 Ohms (XC)
    • Inductance: 102.5 µH
    • Capacitance:0.2 µF
    • Frequency: 35.1514 KHz
    • Series DF: 0.500733
    • Parallel DF: 0.499268
    • Bandwidth: 35.2030

 

 

The Wavelength at 35.1 KHz is 8541.1 meters, across a Coil of: 0.9575 meters.

 

L2: Each Half

  • Length: 406.96 CM - not including Lead Length
  • Calculated Inductance: 51.5 Microhenryies, but, could be, and should be a lot more, if the ratio above is anything to go by, we should see an inductance of around: 1852.19 µH.
  • First Harmonic, the Fundamental:
    • Resistance: 408.50 Ohms (XC)
    • Inductance: 1852.19 µH
    • Capacitance:11.1 nF
    • Frequency: 35.1007 KHz
    • Series DF: 0.500012
    • Parallel DF: 0.499988
    • Bandwidth: 35.1016

My figures could be completely wrong, they are all calculated from the Coils Dimensions and other known factors.

I would be interested to see what others can come up with?

   Chris

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sampojoe posted this 13 February 2018

I have gotten my NST today!  So time to get serious, coil construction to be started soon.  I want to put an O-scope on the NST, for starters.  (My motor project is nearing completion, getting that off the table.) Found a great video on youtube about building and tuning a tesla coil ! 

Got my college texts on Electricity and Magnetism, my USN manual, and the basic idea of an RLC circuit is to only permit the oscillation of the tuned frequency where Capacitive Reactance is equal to Inductive Reactance, showing how the values are calculated.  This seems like quite the juggling act when you throw in the frequency variation achieved with changing the spark gap.  I am not sure where I have seen my previous explanation of the construction of the pancake coil of a tesla coil, involving a bifilar filament, which makes it the equivalent of a Partnered output coil to eliminate Lenz's law.  It might have been a Tesla patent.  However, it seems a lot of these Tesla coils online don't exhibit this structure... ?  I think the first step is to just get L1 to operate at it's harmonic frequency, somewhere in the RF range (near 35.7kHz), and determine what it is.  Then try to build L2 around that.

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sampojoe posted this 20 February 2018

OK here it is, my first overunity device, my new NST:

my NST I just ordered  

check it out:

input .8A x 110vac = 88 watts

output: .03A x 10000 vac = 300 watts

I can quit now.  (joke)  ;-)

Just re-iterating what Don stated in one of his YT presentations.  It was funny, he was taunting anyone in the audience to verify if the NST was an off-the-shelf OU device, begging someone to perform this calculation.

So my NST output  is AC.  In my source document at the beginning it states this about the NST:

"The neon-tube driver circuit is a standard off-the-shelf device used to drive neon tube displays for commercial establishments. The one used contains an oscillator and a step-up transformer, which together produce an Alternating Current of 9,000 volts at a frequency of 35,100 Hz (sometimes written as 35.1 kHz)."

The diodes then on the L1 circuit are rectifying the signal.  The two outputs show identical output AC voltage, as there is no voltage difference between them.  I had thought that the ground wire would be a centerpoint/transformer core ground, and there would be twice the voltage difference between the output wires, but this has proven to not be the case.

Don has stated that the L1 circuit drives the output L2 coil, and would operate at the 35.1kHz.  He indicated it might naturally operate at that frequency.  Well not unless it is tuned with capacitance adjustments, as the spark discharge will turn L1 into an AC circuit upon discharge.  Spark gap adjustment will be usable to change the frequency.  I assume it must match the NST and in one cycle, the capacitor is charged and the spark discharges?  Any insights appreciated.

It makes you wonder about the need for the spark gap.  Indeed Mark Belanger of Advanced Electronic on his youtube channel shows some operation of his Smith Generator work without a spark gap.

The single diodes shown then are not for "flyback" protection then, but for rectification.  As single diodes, the shown rectification scheme is a half-wave rectification.  If full-wave rectification is used, will it be more efficient?  I will look into this.

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sampojoe posted this 21 February 2018

Coil Design.  In my source document it says this:

"we need to pay special attention to the ratio of the wire lengths of the two coil windings as we want these two windings to resonate together. A rule of thumb followed by most Tesla Coil builders is to have the same weight of copper in the L1 and L2 coils, which means that the wire of the L1 coil is usually much thicker than the wire of the L2 coil. If the L1 coil is to be one quarter of the length of the L2 coil, then we would expect the cross-sectional area of the L1 coil to be four times that of the wire of the L2 coil and so the wire should have twice the diameter (as the area is proportional to the square of the radius, and the square of two is four)."

Looking at what I have laying around, I am going to use 6ga (4.1153mm dia) and 12ga (2.0525).  But sadly the 6 gauge is bare and the 12 gauge is insulated.  I believe you need L2 uninsulated to avoid attenuation at the RF freq.

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