Barbosa-Leal - why home power meter counts all of energy ?

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jac505 posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello

I'v decided to put this thread, because I am not able to review all threads about Basbosa-Leal  (B-L) device  replication.

I am not an electrician ;-)

The device done according to this German language image

Then analysed these short films (these guys have the same devices).
Portugese guy

English guy

I have used a 2m welding wire 8mm thick core and 100VA toroidal trafo with power consumption of 13,5 W (idle with secondary closed coil). As earthing I used first neutral wire (I thought it was real grounding but was connected to neutral wire), then a well (voltage only 60V and a hair drier worked slowly, a fridge did not worked) and earthing from an outside utility pole (220V voltage). Amperage on closed loop was 90A (idle).
When I plugged in an electric cooker 1,6 kW I saw it derived electricity from the induced closed loop. The closed loop had around 82 A, so 8 ampers was supporting the cooker (8x220 = around 1700 W). It was clear, the loop
supports a power consuming device with electricity to make a power it need. Trafo consumed just 13,5 W. I was happy of this over 100 COP result. After a few days I got an idea to check my home power meter power usage indication. I was shocked. I have done power consumption tests with and without B-L device and turned out it counts the same energy. So, no energy savings but even more usage because of additional trafo plugged in.
I skipped amperage readings for now, can add it if someone would like to see.

The problem is why my analogue home power meter counts energy from outside, no matter what is a source of electrons (grounding) ? If trafo takes 13,5 W from a wall socket, an electric cooker takes 1600 W from the closed loop, why main home power meter counts all of the energy ?

The funny thing is why the first power meter (where the toroidal trafo is plugged in) does not count the power of secondary, final power device (between the trafo and the closed loop), but the main home power meter does ???

An amendment to the drawing below (before electric cooker in short time, now freezer in long time)

I'v done power readings (with and without of B-L dev) and kWh on main home meter is the same as on the final device (a freezer) plus trafo kWh. Obviously neutral pin in the secondary socket is grounding.

Anybody can advise, please ? Has a clue what to do ito make it orks with COP around 100 ?

Or maybe the schematics is wrong ? Maybe this one works ?

Because I am not advanced  very much in English, please simplify your answers ;-)
Best regards

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raivope posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi,

If you connect it thru grounding it goes around the (primary) power meter shunt, so it will show much less energy, but actually there is no OU.

There might be some tech secrets what we do not know (if this really works), but most obvious thing so called "replications" go around the meter (shunt neutral line).

Best,

Raivo

cd_sharp posted this 4 weeks ago

Hey, jac505

I didn't study the Barbosa-Leal device. At first look, this schematic is accurate

I think the shorted thick coil is indeed carrying a great current. The thicker it is, the greater the current. Normally it would be at only 1 / 230 volts above ground voltage, but being polarized by the 230 V mains, it has gained voltage also. Everything is standard until now. The thicker coil opposes the flow of current from the mains, through the transformer primary. It's standard Lenz's law.

But having 5 turns over the thick shorted coil connected to the ground puzzles me. This could be the cathode of a capacitor which has as an anode the shorted thick coil.

It looks like the device delivers the mains voltage to the load, but I don't understand where the current is coming from.

Near your home there has to a power line transformer that lowers the voltage to enter your home.

I'm not sure, but this could involve EM induction through that transformer's core. I say that because the ground stops being just ground in this device. Certainly, it's a very interesting device.

Anyone more knowledgeable than me could have another opinion.

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jac505 posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi,

If you connect it thru grounding it goes around the (primary) power meter shunt, so it will show much less energy, but actually there is no OU.

There might be some tech secrets what we do not know (if this really works), but most obvious thing so called "replications" go around the meter (shunt neutral line).

Best,

Raivo

 

At first I used as earthing grounding pin in a wall socket, thinking it is real earthing. When discovered my home power meter counts all of consumed energy, I used other sources like a well and an utility pole, in a hope to derive electrons from outside of power plant circuit. But this hasn't helped. This is weird for me. If BL takes 13,5 W from wall socket , home power meter must counts the same power (it turns very slowly). When I connect a hair drier that takes 1200 W, home power meter sees this energy (turns quicker), even  derived from the well. How is it possible ? It is outside source, isn't it ? Sorry I am not an electrician. Ravio, maybe a simple drawing could help better than words ?

How a home power meter counts energy, through L or N wire ?

Can you also explain please, what "OU" stands for ?

Regards

 

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Zanzal posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello jac505,

I kind of always thought that it didn't matter whether live was connected to ground or neutral, any current moving through the live wire should be what one is billed for. The power meter probably has the equivalent of a current sense probe on the live wire so they know how much current is being drawn from their system. Neutral/ground would just paths for completing the circuit with the source generator.

IMO these types of approaches should be avoided since it leads people to believe the goal is to avoid being billed by the power company. The goal is this forum is to explore means to extract energy from natural phenomena. There are several threads which show approaches that don't require a mains connection.

Dadrev posted this 4 weeks ago

If you connect it thru grounding it goes around the (primary) power meter shunt, so it will show much less energy, but actually there is no OU.

OU --> Over Unity  -->  output power GREATER than input power

 

 

Try using a stand-alone generator or a battery inverter. You will only need to power the output 220v -12v 50A inductor (0.6Kw of consumption), to generate 1100 watts. To start it will be enough.

Greetings

Dadrev

Saludos...

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Volty posted this 4 weeks ago

Does anybody know why Clarence's replication was removed from Patrick Kelly's Chapter 3 Free Energy Motionless Devices? 

How do you post photos here so I can show his build?

Clarence came to EnergeticForum after being hounded out of OU.com, and sounded sincere to me.  His system cost ~$2300 to build and he stressed to use a pure Sine Wave Inverter, not to mess with any portion of your metered utilities.  Here is excerpt from Chapter 3 from years ago, no longer has this info from Clarence:

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Forum moderator “Level” who has done an excellent job of retrieving and displaying Clarence’s material here:
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says:
Stick to the battery and inverter method as the power source, as that is the only way you can avoid a ground loop
to the mains electrical power system. The one exception is you might be able to avoid such a problem when
powering from the mains if you use an isolation transformer, but isolation transformers can be expensive and
have a limited capacity as well.
Caution: Also beware that an inverter with an output of 120 volts or 240 Volts can kill you if you touch live
wires, so don't

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Dadrev posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi. Some of this forum exchanged information with Clarence at that time. Surely you can tell us something. Two things: Clarence's scheme is 99% correct, but a part that is key in this device is missing. Without that, it doesn't work. Another is that Clarence's ways and behaviors (which passed away, they say) closely resemble those of Marathonman. Greetings. dadrev

Saludos...

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Chris posted this 4 weeks ago

Hey Guys,

I don't know who Clarence is? What was his Nic? I would recommend contacting Patrick Kelly on the question asked!

Perhaps this should go in its own, separate thread, so this thread does not get taken off topic?

What relevance is this Clarence stuff to this thread?

Please visit: Help with using the Forum - to see how to post Images.

As far as we are all aware, this machine was in error, was it not?

I am happy if you guys want to replicate this machine, if you want to continue here on this forum, I am ok with that. But please beware, this forum does have a Topic, that of Bucking Coils and Energy Generation! I have no wish to mislead people in any way! If I feel this is going too far off topic, or starting to mislead readers, then I will have to object on those grounds.

We are focused specifically on Energy and Above Unity Machines. Specifically on Bucking Coils. Please keep that in mind.

Best wishes,

   Chris

 

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Dadrev posted this 4 weeks ago

Chris (and all): This device works with the energy stored in the second coil (closed loop) that behaves as such. The question is to withdraw the energy that is formed in the closed loop, without it being connected to the primary network. That generated energy must feed the device in the same way that the Figuera generator does. The theoretical operation is simple. If I have not continued posting in the previous thread it is because I saw no interest in this device, really. But I think it is light years away from the bucking coils in terms of the amount of energy created. If I'm wrong, forgive me. dadrev

Saludos...

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jac505 posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello guys

Thank you  very much for your voices on this topic.

What is weird for me, home power meter sees energy from outside of power plant circuit and counts it, despite just 13,5 W trafo power consumption. Anybody could make a draft to explain this, please ? Just a drawings, even rough can replace many words guys :-) I have also tried as earthing  homewater pipes system and my home power meter counted all of the energy again. I would like to find out if it makes sense to work on B-L device, to power a home with just 13,5 W trafo. Is it possible ? 

First I wanted to make a magrav copy, I had a full description of all process. On a stage of making guns I asked few guys about the process and they replied magravs don't produce energy. I was like - what ? It doesn't make electricity ? Some guys on youtube proves it does. I asked - why do you make them, then ? They replied - people buy them because feel better. I would feel better if I could pay much less for energy or not to pay at all. I abandoned the idea. Then I found out  from a guy from USA, who had magravs in his web store, even oryginal magravs from Italy Keshe's factory do not work. People complained and he had to withdraw all of the stuff and reported to Keshe.

Is there any other easy to do, simple device that can make such an energy like Barbosa-Leal or stand alone motionless self powered ???? Many youtube films with smart free energy devices are tricks or sham to make money by milions of views and cashing from ads.

Regards

Vidura posted this 4 weeks ago

Hey jac505 

I dont understand your first question, maybe a translation issue. What other members already tried to explain, that the energymeter will measure the power extracted from the grid tru the life wire, regardless if the returnpath is the neutral wire or the earth itself, tru a ground loop. 

in the case of the BL device i have no experience with it, but as with all kind of these devices there is 99% rubbish on you tube. It might work, if built properly, but i dont know.

To my knowledge there exists no "easy to make" AU device which can power your home. A lot of knowledge and experience is required to make this machines work. So I would encourage you to study, begin with the basics, make practic experiences. 

there are threads on the forum, which are guidelines to learn, understand, and eventually finally build your own AU device. 

Regards Vidura.

 

jac505 posted this 3 weeks ago

Hello

I apoligise for a delay with checking your comments on this enigmatic for me issue.

Can anybody explain and draw on this drawing below, how electric current goes ?

Of course there should be kWh but I'v simplified to power consumption readings.

Regards

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jac505 posted this 3 weeks ago

IMO these types of approaches should be avoided since it leads people to believe the goal is to avoid being billed by the power company. The goal is this forum is to explore means to extract energy from natural phenomena. There are several threads which show approaches that don't require a mains connection.

 

Zanzal, my approach is, if we have a solution revealed and it allows to save great amount of energy consumed by houses, we should develope it, reasearch. Why ? Because if it works well, there is no need to develope, to search for other complicated, big devices that generate kilowatts of electricity. If we can power a device with 20 Watts and achieve kilowatts, we just need a small power device :-)

Regards

raivope posted this 3 weeks ago

barbosa

Fighter posted this 3 weeks ago

IMO these types of approaches should be avoided since it leads people to believe the goal is to avoid being billed by the power company. The goal is this forum is to explore means to extract energy from natural phenomena. There are several threads which show approaches that don't require a mains connection.

 

Zanzal, my approach is, if we have a solution revealed and it allows to save great amount of energy consumed by houses, we should develope it, reasearch. Why ? Because if it works well, there is no need to develope, to search for other complicated, big devices that generate kilowatts of electricity. If we can power a device with 20 Watts and achieve kilowatts, we just need a small power device :-)

Regards

Any device interfering with the power-meter installed by your provider will give legal power to that provider to shut it down and to accuse you of stealing power. It doesn't matter if that device is really amplifying power, in court you'll be seen as power stealer and you'll be charged or even go to jail. The idea is to power your home with one, or more realistic many independent and self-powered devices so you can prove in court that you're not using/stealing any energy from your power provider.

This is our final goal here, in my opinion you should concentrate on building that device having 20W input and providing kilowatts but try to not include the power-meter from your power provider in your research.

You're free to use your research and resources as you want, it's just my opinion. I wouldn't go in this direction on using a power company's grid to produce extra-power 'cause this will get you in real trouble, that company will come after you when they'll observe anomalies in their grid.

Dadrev posted this 3 weeks ago

This is our final goal here, in my opinion you should concentrate on building that device having 20W input and providing kilowatts but try to not include the power-meter from your power provider in your research.

I agree with that. You should use your own generator or inverter and battery bank for your tests. This way you will notice when the device "burns energy" and when it "delivers" it to you.

Saludos...

Fighter posted this 3 weeks ago

Dadrev is right, absolutely, if the device you're experimenting with needs 220V/120V and 50Hz on input the best approach would be a battery and an inverter providing input for your device. For now you can continue using input from your power grid until you get the battery and the inverter but this should be temporary, try not to interfere too much with your power provider's grid 'cause most probably they're monitoring their grid and will detect anomalies, locate them and come after you. I don't intend to discourage you in any way, I just want you to be careful and stay out of possible legal troubles.

Dadrev posted this 3 weeks ago

The device should work EXACTLY THE SAME as a Ram Pump:

 

At the beginning of the cycle (positive or negative) it is not connected to the load:

 

In the rest of the cycle, it is not connected to the input:

 

The same principle as the Ram Pump:

Thus, during the second part of the cycle (negative or positive) we collect the energy (pressure) previously stored in the Closed Loop (air chamber), through the coil.

But the water must be ours, not the ELECTRIC COMPANY.

Saludos...

jac505 posted this 3 weeks ago

Any device interfering with the power-meter installed by your provider will give legal power to that provider to shut it down and to accuse you of stealing power. It doesn't matter if that device is really amplifying power, in court you'll be seen as power stealer and you'll be charged or even go to jail. The idea is to power your home with one, or more realistic many independent and self-powered devices so you can prove in court that you're not using/stealing any energy from your power provider.

This is our final goal here, in my opinion you should concentrate on building that device having 20W input and providing kilowatts but try to not include the power-meter from your power provider in your research.

 

Thank you for your warning opinion. My approach is, if I need just 20 W to power a power multiplier and I derive electrons from water pipe system for instance, power provider can charge me only for delivered power. THis is provider's task and I pay for this. Rest of power I can generate for myself by own devices.

Regards

 

 

leonel posted this 3 weeks ago

Maybe I wrong...cool

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jac505 posted this 3 weeks ago

barbosa

 

Thank you for this. As I stated I am not an electrician and try to understand this image. How electric current circuits ? Positive side (L) has shortage of electrons and sucks them from negative side that has excess of electrons (N). So, electrons circuits from N to L, don't they ?

Sorry if I ask silly question again :-D If circuits from N (outside ground source) to L, then why wall socket power meter does not detect it but home power meter does ? 

Regards

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Jagau posted this 3 weeks ago

This is a standard configuration in North America.


Whether you use your own ground or the ground of the network
the socket meter will always detect the active AC phase.


Your ground or the ground of the socket is the same ground.

Jagau

Dadrev posted this 3 weeks ago

Saludos...

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jac505 posted this 2 weeks ago

Guys have you seen this self powered 150 W generator ? Anybody has done it ?

https://www.homemade-circuits.com/making-a-self-powered-generator/

I hope it is not another fake schematics, I found it on Patrick Kelly's website

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/SChapter6.pdf

Regards

 

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Chris posted this 2 weeks ago

off topic, jac505 please observe:

Hey Guys,

I don't know who Clarence is? What was his Nic? I would recommend contacting Patrick Kelly on the question asked!

Perhaps this should go in its own, separate thread, so this thread does not get taken off topic?

What relevance is this Clarence stuff to this thread?

Please visit: Help with using the Forum - to see how to post Images.

As far as we are all aware, this machine was in error, was it not?

I am happy if you guys want to replicate this machine, if you want to continue here on this forum, I am ok with that. But please beware, this forum does have a Topic, that of Bucking Coils and Energy Generation! I have no wish to mislead people in any way! If I feel this is going too far off topic, or starting to mislead readers, then I will have to object on those grounds.

We are focused specifically on Energy and Above Unity Machines. Specifically on Bucking Coils. Please keep that in mind.

Best wishes,

   Chris

 

This thread is really not relevant to this forum!

 

Please build and get on topic or this thread will be deleted!

Regards

   Chris, forum admin.

jac505 posted this 2 weeks ago

This is an image of analysed commercial device. High voltage spark module is fundamental in the circuit. Sorry, I could not find hi-res image.

"Coil connections still being investigated" stated Ariovaldo. I couldn't find updated schematic.

Regards

 

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jac505 posted this 2 weeks ago

Because nearly all of schematics available on the web are intentional WRONG, I reckon continuing this topic as hopeless. Thank you all for your contribution to solve my problem.

Regards

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Chris posted this 2 weeks ago

@Readers of this thread,

If you follow our works, you will quickly see, we here on this forum have machines working! Our Above Unity Machines, some are extremely simple, and also can be very cheap to build, also, once understood, simple to build!

The best thing, many here can help you!

Best wishes,

   Chris

jac505 posted this 3 days ago

I'v found another schematics. Guys, is this a good way ?

Cheers

Chris posted this 3 days ago

Hi Jac505,

You will have to perform Experiments to understand these machines. We have all told you, the Barbosa-Leal machine is a waste of time! In some countries, the Ground is not measured or isolated, by passing the Power Meters is not measuring the Power used.

This thread is totally off topic, third time I have posted this. I am trying to be patient.

Prove it! Prove to yourself it either works or does not work, do the experiment!

Best wishes,

   Chris

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jac505 posted this 2 days ago

Well, the answer to my question in my thread title has been solved. Thank you all !

Regards

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